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Old 04-23-2007, 09:17 PM    (permalink
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Off the top of my head i can think of us, the chargers, the ravens, the steelers and the jets as teams running the 3-4 with a possibility of the steelers changing to tomlin's cover-2 scheme. This raises the question about if we actually gain anything from trading down. Say we stay at 22 and pick someone like Ross, who im praying for, or bowe or anyone else that others are interested in, are we necessarily going to be at a loss with our second pick? With so many OLB tweener possibilities and only a few teams who could actually use them, maybe someone like Charles Johnson or Anthony Spencer falls further than most of us anticipate based on need not talent. Maybe those guys are still around with our 2nd pick without us having to give anything up?

In scotts newest mock he actually has us taking Moses with Johnson falling past us all the way to the eagles.

I may just be dreaming but i would be going nuts on draft day if we took Ross and Johnson with out first two picks without having to give anything up.

This may be completely off base but thats why im posting, so what do you guys think?

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Anthony Spencer is getting late 1st round grades, so he'll be gone.

Jarvis Moss is being looked at in a number of defensive schemes so he'll be gone.

Tim Crowder has value in both the 4-3 and 3-4 so he'll probably be gone.

Moses and Johnson both have a fairly good shot at being there for us.

So, if we were indeed targeting a DE/OLB with our 2nd pick... we should have at least two options available for us but, the question is to the Boys want either of these guys?
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well apparently we have brought in Johnson for talks and its been floated around here that we are definately looking to pick up a rush backer somewhere along the line. Johnson does have great size at 6-2 270 and could be very effective rushing opposite of Ware. I've been high on him all along, i know D-unit likes him. The scouting reports on him are good and i actually think he would be gone earlier if there was more of a need for tweeners.
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well apparently we have brought in Johnson for talks and its been floated around here that we are definately looking to pick up a rush backer somewhere along the line. Johnson does have great size at 6-2 270 and could be very effective rushing opposite of Ware. I've been high on him all along, i know D-unit likes him. The scouting reports on him are good and i actually think he would be gone earlier if there was more of a need for tweeners.
Well, those two should be available with our 2nd pick... so, we may very well see one of them in a cowboys uniform...that is unless JJ, takes Spencer in the first...which is a possibilty. There is also a good possiblity that Tank Tyler could be available... I dont know about you but, i'd rather have a NT instead of another hybrid OLB/DE. It's so tough to predict which direction our team goes in this year.
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Well, those two should be available with our 2nd pick... so, we may very well see one of them in a cowboys uniform...that is unless JJ, takes Spencer in the first...which is a possibilty. There is also a good possiblity that Tank Tyler could be available... I dont know about you but, i'd rather have a NT instead of another hybrid OLB/DE. It's so tough to predict which direction our team goes in this year.
Im torn, because i know NT depth and future is probably a bigger need with a better value in the second, but i really think johnson could be a terror for us. I would be fine with either. I still hope we can stay at 22 though and get some top talent at CB.
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Im torn, because i know NT depth and future is probably a bigger need with a better value in the second, but i really think johnson could be a terror for us. I would be fine with either. I still hope we can stay at 22 though and get some top talent at CB.
If i'd want any DE/OLB which i dont... ha... but, if i did, it would be...

Anthony Spencer... the man is just a nasty/mean player... considered to be one of the toughest if not the toughest in this years class...think Mr.T with a helmet on...haha...but, seriously, he plays with just a bad attitude comparable to that of Junior Seau... he wants to make his opposing foes pay when he makes contact with them.

Problem with Spencer as a LB... he really struggles and slows down when he has to change directions...right now he is the very definition of pass-rush specialist. The potential is there to be great though.
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I just think the drop off in talent between a CB in the 1st compared to the 2nd is much greater than the difference between some of the OLB tweeners. None of these OLB's are being touted as the next Merriman or Ware. I think the value for these guys is still there in the second. Im definately not a fan of taking someone like anthony spencer in the first with charles johnson sitting there in the second. In all reality, if we pick up a rush backer, they will most like take on a merriman role where they are just sent after the QB every time so its not like we need a well rounded guy, we just need someone with a good motor who can shed blockers well.
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I just think the drop off in talent between a CB in the 1st compared to the 2nd is much greater than the difference between some of the OLB tweeners. None of these OLB's are being touted as the next Merriman or Ware. I think the value for these guys is still there in the second. Im definately not a fan of taking someone like anthony spencer in the first with charles johnson sitting there in the second. In all reality, if we pick up a rush backer, they will most like take on a merriman role where they are just sent after the QB every time so its not like we need a well rounded guy, we just need someone with a good motor who can shed blockers well.
Spencer is the best at shedding blocks of all these guys. I still believe Ware will be in a modified Merriman role... primarily Strongside but, switching sides occasionally ala Merriman. I see Carp as the next Phillips... just makes more sense to me.

As for corner... I disagree... we could get a potential steal in Usama Young in the 3rd... he has all the makings of a big time player. Fantastic measurables to work with.
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I haven't seen young so im not sure, but my primary reason for being so high on ross is that he provides a return game for us as well as good ball skills.

On spencer, i just dont think a one demensional LB should be a first round pick, and certainly not for us. I think the guys who warrent being taken in the first need to be well rounded players that have potential to be great at rushing the passer, stopping the run, defending TE's, playing zone, etc.

Plus i believe that with Wades success with guys like Shaun Phillips, he believes he doesnt need a first round guy to rush the QB. He may even be content with taking a guy in the 3rd or 4th. I just see CB as a much more probable option for us in the first over OLB, considering depth, talent, and what we will be asking them to do.

That being said if we go BPA and can get a great rush backer in the 2nd im not so sure if we pass that up.
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