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Old 01-02-2011, 02:34 PM    (permalink
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The challenger has a responsibility to win the fight, not draw. Pettis should get the title fight, bad call by Dana White, but whatever.
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I read today that Dana was backing out of his decision for Edgar/Maynard rematch. I hope they finalise this mess soon.
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If it is Edgar-Maynard, does Pettis get someone else to prove himself as a #1 challenge?
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The challenger has a responsibility to win the fight, not draw. Pettis should get the title fight, bad call by Dana White, but whatever.
This is how i see it as well. You got your shot and you didn't win. Even Dana has always preached not to leave it to the judges, let Pettis take his shot now. Especially since he was told that's what he would get, i think Dana is a man of his word and will give him the title fight.
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This is how i see it as well. You got your shot and you didn't win. Even Dana has always preached not to leave it to the judges, let Pettis take his shot now. Especially since he was told that's what he would get, i think Dana is a man of his word and will give him the title fight.
He told Ariel Helwani that Maynard would get an immediate rematch. Which is weird since he told his PR guy to announce that Pettis would get his title shot during the post fight press conference.
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So in other words we don't know ****.

I guess ill just wait until something official comes out before i berate/praise Dana White.
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This is how i see it as well. You got your shot and you didn't win. Even Dana has always preached not to leave it to the judges, let Pettis take his shot now. Especially since he was told that's what he would get, i think Dana is a man of his word and will give him the title fight.
Dana has backed out of giving title shots enough times. Examples could be Condit, Maynard before he beat K-Flo, Jon Fitch...theres more than that too. I don't think it has to do with him not being a man of his word but rather it has to do with him not having the final word on fights with guys like Joe Silva having a large say also.

UFC has recently given 2 and what would have been 3 close title fights a rematch (Penn/Edgar, Rua/Machida, and Sonnen/Silva). I don't see why this fight should be an exception because like the rest it was a) very exciting b) very close.

I think if you can get Edgar/Maynard 3 sooner rather than later (all depends on the medical suspensions they get) than it will be an easy fight to sell and better for the UFC.
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So in other words we don't know ****.

I guess ill just wait until something official comes out before i berate/praise Dana White.
Basically, but if it makes any difference he told Ariel several hours after the press conference. Here is the interview.

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I met that guy :)
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Dana has backed out of giving title shots enough times. Examples could be Condit, Maynard before he beat K-Flo, Jon Fitch...theres more than that too. I don't think it has to do with him not being a man of his word but rather it has to do with him not having the final word on fights with guys like Joe Silva having a large say also.

UFC has recently given 2 and what would have been 3 close title fights a rematch (Penn/Edgar, Rua/Machida, and Sonnen/Silva). I don't see why this fight should be an exception because like the rest it was a) very exciting b) very close.

I think if you can get Edgar/Maynard 3 sooner rather than later (all depends on the medical suspensions they get) than it will be an easy fight to sell and better for the UFC.
But this wasn't just any normal promise, this was a plan as part of an organizational merger. Two guys fought for the WEC title and a UFC title shot. That night they even gave Cruz a UFC belt. It kind of weakens the whole merger to push down their title holder to just contender status. Gray didn't win the title so he has to wait.
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I think that Dana is going to let the emotion blow over before deciding what to do with the lightweight title. Either way it goes Pettis or Mayanrd has a legitimate claim to fight for the title, so I'm thinking that he'll let things settle before making a final decision.

Regardless of what happens, I'm certain that we'll see Edgar and Maynard fight again. Even if Edgar fights Pettis and loses, they'll find some way to have those two fight again. Hopefully they show Edgar/Maynard 2 on UFC Unleashed 24/7 so people can know how great those two are. I don't think that there is a person alive, besides B.J. Penn worshipers, that isn't a Frankie Edgar fan now. Getting your ass kicked like that and coming back is legendary stuff. I always liked the guy's hustle, but now he's one of my favorite fighters. Gray didn't look too bad either because he kept at it and adjusted well.
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But this wasn't just any normal promise, this was a plan as part of an organizational merger. Two guys fought for the WEC title and a UFC title shot. That night they even gave Cruz a UFC belt. It kind of weakens the whole merger to push down their title holder to just contender status. Gray didn't win the title so he has to wait.
Good points. That's why I kind of alluded to only wanting to see Edgar/Maynard 3 if they can have it sooner rather than later. This would allow Pettis to wait for the winner and you could still merge the two titles.

Anyway it shakes out its still a very tough decision for the UFC.
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Maynard wouldn't be getting hosed by not getting a rematch, he didn't win (most sane people had it 10-8, 9-10, 10-9, 9-10, 9-10 - DRAW). They can do Edgar-Maynard III down the line...there doesn't need to be a belt involved.
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Speaking of WEC 53, what was up with all the boos? People were booing for everything, even the good fights.
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Speaking of WEC 53, what was up with all the boos? People were booing for everything, even the good fights.
Really didn't notice any.
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Hmmm. I heard a lot of boos that night, and I know some guys were complaining on various MMA forums about it too. Maybe it's the fact that I watched it by myself and wasn't distracted by other noise, but I recall a lot of booing in both the Shalorus and Cerrone fights.
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I can kind of understand Shalrous because he's lay n pray which doesn't happen in the WEC often, don't remember seeing the Cerrone fight.
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Holy crap the strikeforce 8 man tourny is amazing, love the matchups

Alistair Overeem vs Fabricio Werdum
Fedor vs Big Foot Silva
Arlovski vs Kharitonov
Brett Rogers vs Josh Barnett
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Holy crap the strikeforce 8 man tourny is amazing, love the matchups

Alistair Overeem vs Fabricio Werdum
Fedor vs Big Foot Silva
Arlovski vs Kharitonov
Brett Rogers vs Josh Barnett
That's gonna be great. I hope Fedor can win it and show us some of the Fedor of old.
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That's gonna be great. I hope Fedor can win it and show us some of the Fedor of old.
Big Foot is too clunky and slow footed for Fedor. Mike Kyle tooled him on the feet but just couldn't finish him because he was 60+ pounds lighter. Fedor will finish Silva. Big Foot's only chance is to take down Fedor and try to pound him out or pull a sub off the top.
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