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Rivers had lead the Chargers on some impressive come from behind victories the last 3 weeks...
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He puts it in the air more, but the system remains the same. Manage the game, let your run game and defense determine the outcome. Its much less of a burden on a developing qb in that situation.
Hint. Perhaps the Giants should try that. That formula is what wins Super Bowls.

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Look at Eli's situation. He's asked to score alot because the defense can't be relied upon. Is it his fault that the defense gave up 24 points in the 4th? Is it that hard to ask for 1 3 and out the entire 2nd half? Look at the situations, theyre very different.
You Eli fangirls are a hoot. Nothing is Eli's fault. I guess those two 4th quarter interception didn't contribute to the Giants lost. :roll:
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He puts it in the air more, but the system remains the same. Manage the game, let your run game and defense determine the outcome. Its much less of a burden on a developing qb in that situation.

Hint. Perhaps the Giants should try that. That formula is what wins Super Bowls.


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Look at Eli's situation. He's asked to score alot because the defense can't be relied upon. Is it his fault that the defense gave up 24 points in the 4th? Is it that hard to ask for 1 3 and out the entire 2nd half? Look at the situations, theyre very different.
You Eli fangirls are a hoot. Nothing is Eli's fault. I guess those two 4th quarter interception didn't contribute to the Giants lost. :roll:
Ive been saying that for awhile now. You should try reading the Giants Team discussion once in awhile, I completely agree with you on that, and have been critical of the coaching because of it.

And please read closely. Go back and you'll see my quotes on how Eli played poorly the 2nd half. [/b]
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Rivers definitely had a bad game today. I walked away with a lot more respect for the Raiders D, cause some (a lot) of his throws were on the money, and were defended really well.

No excuses though. However, in the end, Rivers made some clutch passes, including a fourth down, and the team scored TDs on 2 of their last 3 drives to win the game.

One of River's greatest strengths is his ability to forget the previous plays and focus on the next one. He really showed that today.
Oakland has one of the best secondaries in the NFL (IMO - the 2nd best this year behind the Ravens). Those guys absolutely blanketed the Chargers recievers all day long and showed some serious ball skills. Gates was the only reciever who could get open and that was only a few times. So that said , it won't be hard for me to forget this bad game from Rivers. He's earned it.
Not so easy when your recievers aren't so wide open now is it?
Are you implying that Rivers has better WR's than Eli or that they NFC has better pass defenses than the AFC?

Because I call bluff on both of those.
The Chargers skill players are better than the Giants skill players and the Chargers use a much more QB friendly system.
We need Cam Cameron in the worst way. He's a great OC.

And Im tired of people acting like Rivers doesn't have skill position players.

McCardell = Toomer
Plax>Parker
Gates>Shockey
LT>>>anyone and everyone
Neil>>>>Finn

Oh and by the way, his oline is lightyears ahead of both Eli's and Bens, which is the most important part of an offense anway. A qb's best friend is the oline and RB, and Rivers clearly has the best in this discussion. Another forgotten tidbit. Rivers bandwagoners are the biggest hypocrites. He's no different from Ben last year. Its amazing, its like all the bandwagoners jumped ship from Ben to Rivers this year.
If LT is >>> than Tiki, Plax should be >>>>>>>>>> better than Parker.

I wasn't on Big Ben's bandwagon last year either. And their situations are actually quite different. Rivers is required to pass a lot more and has been asked to actually open up the running game. Now, Big Ben won a Super Bowl with his system which is something that Rivers has not done. Their personale are quite different too.

And a RB is a QB best friend? Interesting, I've heard a WR, LT and even a TE. I guess we can say a home crowd is a QB best friend now too.

Eli's OL isn't that bad. Their mistakes stick out so much because Eli can't handle pressure and makes a key mistakes when he is rushed. Prior to all the Giants' injuries, I would have called it a toss between the two lines.
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A RB is a qb's best friend...thats a famous football saying since the beginning of time, I didn't just make that up.

I'll trade you Tiki and Burress for Parker and LT anyday. Id make that trade without even thinking twice. And thats not a long term trade either, I mean for this season. Tiki is not a great runner for average. His stats scew his game, he'll go 0,0,0 30. LT can keep drives alive...he's just better, theres no point into going into specifics.

And Plax....he's not even a top 10 receiver, who has a bad attitude and gives up on plays. That's not >>>> by any stretch.
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Plax is a top 10 receiver in my mind. Definately somewhere in the 13-8 range. His bad attitude is what it is but based on skills he is that good. Mostly because he is a legit 6'5" and knows how to use his body.
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Rivers definitely had a bad game today. I walked away with a lot more respect for the Raiders D, cause some (a lot) of his throws were on the money, and were defended really well.

No excuses though. However, in the end, Rivers made some clutch passes, including a fourth down, and the team scored TDs on 2 of their last 3 drives to win the game.

One of River's greatest strengths is his ability to forget the previous plays and focus on the next one. He really showed that today.
Oakland has one of the best secondaries in the NFL (IMO - the 2nd best this year behind the Ravens). Those guys absolutely blanketed the Chargers recievers all day long and showed some serious ball skills. Gates was the only reciever who could get open and that was only a few times. So that said , it won't be hard for me to forget this bad game from Rivers. He's earned it.
Not so easy when your recievers aren't so wide open now is it?
Are you implying that Rivers has better WR's than Eli or that they NFC has better pass defenses than the AFC?

Because I call bluff on both of those.
The Chargers skill players are better than the Giants skill players and the Chargers use a much more QB friendly system.
We need Cam Cameron in the worst way. He's a great OC.

And Im tired of people acting like Rivers doesn't have skill position players.

McCardell = Toomer
Plax>Parker
Gates>Shockey
LT>>>anyone and everyone
Neil>>>>Finn

Oh and by the way, his oline is lightyears ahead of both Eli's and Bens, which is the most important part of an offense anway. A qb's best friend is the oline and RB, and Rivers clearly has the best in this discussion. Another forgotten tidbit. Rivers bandwagoners are the biggest hypocrites. He's no different from Ben last year. Its amazing, its like all the bandwagoners jumped ship from Ben to Rivers this year.
Rivers airs it out though, Ben never really had to do that his first year. Man, you Giants fans are coming off extremely bitter.
He puts it in the air more, but the system remains the same. Manage the game, let your run game and defense determine the outcome. Its much less of a burden on a developing qb in that situation.

Look at Eli's situation. He's asked to score alot because the defense can't be relied upon. Is it his fault that the defense gave up 24 points in the 4th? Is it that hard to ask for 1 3 and out the entire 2nd half? Look at the situations, theyre very different.

So what you're saying is...Eli is being asked to score a lot to carry his team, and has completely failed to step up to the plate.

I don't understand how this is a positive trait. Rivers is leading the #1 offense in the NFL, man, and our defense has been sucking without Merriman. Believe it or not, it's not all LT.

btw your defense giving up 24 in the 4th is misleading. It takes the blame off Eli, cause 10 of those points were off really stupid interceptions.
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Rivers definitely had a bad game today. I walked away with a lot more respect for the Raiders D, cause some (a lot) of his throws were on the money, and were defended really well.

No excuses though. However, in the end, Rivers made some clutch passes, including a fourth down, and the team scored TDs on 2 of their last 3 drives to win the game.

One of River's greatest strengths is his ability to forget the previous plays and focus on the next one. He really showed that today.
Oakland has one of the best secondaries in the NFL (IMO - the 2nd best this year behind the Ravens). Those guys absolutely blanketed the Chargers recievers all day long and showed some serious ball skills. Gates was the only reciever who could get open and that was only a few times. So that said , it won't be hard for me to forget this bad game from Rivers. He's earned it.
Not so easy when your recievers aren't so wide open now is it?
Are you implying that Rivers has better WR's than Eli or that they NFC has better pass defenses than the AFC?

Because I call bluff on both of those.
The Chargers skill players are better than the Giants skill players and the Chargers use a much more QB friendly system.
We need Cam Cameron in the worst way. He's a great OC.

And Im tired of people acting like Rivers doesn't have skill position players.

McCardell = Toomer
Plax>Parker
Gates>Shockey
LT>>>anyone and everyone
Neil>>>>Finn

Oh and by the way, his oline is lightyears ahead of both Eli's and Bens, which is the most important part of an offense anway. A qb's best friend is the oline and RB, and Rivers clearly has the best in this discussion. Another forgotten tidbit. Rivers bandwagoners are the biggest hypocrites. He's no different from Ben last year. Its amazing, its like all the bandwagoners jumped ship from Ben to Rivers this year.
Rivers airs it out though, Ben never really had to do that his first year. Man, you Giants fans are coming off extremely bitter.
He puts it in the air more, but the system remains the same. Manage the game, let your run game and defense determine the outcome. Its much less of a burden on a developing qb in that situation.

Look at Eli's situation. He's asked to score alot because the defense can't be relied upon. Is it his fault that the defense gave up 24 points in the 4th? Is it that hard to ask for 1 3 and out the entire 2nd half? Look at the situations, theyre very different.

So what you're saying is...Eli is being asked to score a lot to carry his team, and has completely failed to step up to the plate.

I don't understand how this is a positive trait. Rivers is leading the #1 offense in the NFL, man, and our defense has been sucking without Merriman. Believe it or not, it's not all LT.

btw your defense giving up 24 in the 4th is misleading. It takes the blame off Eli, cause 10 of those points were off really stupid interceptions.
One stupid interception. Actually it was two stupid interceptions but the first was because of Plax's stupidity.
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Rivers definitely had a bad game today. I walked away with a lot more respect for the Raiders D, cause some (a lot) of his throws were on the money, and were defended really well.

No excuses though. However, in the end, Rivers made some clutch passes, including a fourth down, and the team scored TDs on 2 of their last 3 drives to win the game.

One of River's greatest strengths is his ability to forget the previous plays and focus on the next one. He really showed that today.
Oakland has one of the best secondaries in the NFL (IMO - the 2nd best this year behind the Ravens). Those guys absolutely blanketed the Chargers recievers all day long and showed some serious ball skills. Gates was the only reciever who could get open and that was only a few times. So that said , it won't be hard for me to forget this bad game from Rivers. He's earned it.
Not so easy when your recievers aren't so wide open now is it?
Are you implying that Rivers has better WR's than Eli or that they NFC has better pass defenses than the AFC?

Because I call bluff on both of those.
The Chargers skill players are better than the Giants skill players and the Chargers use a much more QB friendly system.
We need Cam Cameron in the worst way. He's a great OC.

And Im tired of people acting like Rivers doesn't have skill position players.

McCardell = Toomer
Plax>Parker
Gates>Shockey
LT>>>anyone and everyone
Neil>>>>Finn

Oh and by the way, his oline is lightyears ahead of both Eli's and Bens, which is the most important part of an offense anway. A qb's best friend is the oline and RB, and Rivers clearly has the best in this discussion. Another forgotten tidbit. Rivers bandwagoners are the biggest hypocrites. He's no different from Ben last year. Its amazing, its like all the bandwagoners jumped ship from Ben to Rivers this year.
Rivers airs it out though, Ben never really had to do that his first year. Man, you Giants fans are coming off extremely bitter.
He puts it in the air more, but the system remains the same. Manage the game, let your run game and defense determine the outcome. Its much less of a burden on a developing qb in that situation.

Look at Eli's situation. He's asked to score alot because the defense can't be relied upon. Is it his fault that the defense gave up 24 points in the 4th? Is it that hard to ask for 1 3 and out the entire 2nd half? Look at the situations, theyre very different.

So what you're saying is...Eli is being asked to score a lot to carry his team, and has completely failed to step up to the plate.

I don't understand how this is a positive trait. Rivers is leading the #1 offense in the NFL, man, and our defense has been sucking without Merriman. Believe it or not, it's not all LT.

btw your defense giving up 24 in the 4th is misleading. It takes the blame off Eli, cause 10 of those points were off really stupid interceptions.
One stupid interception. Actually it was two stupid interceptions but the first was because of Plax's stupidity.
Its one thing if those INTs put them in the redzone, but neither did. At the end of the day, Tennessee had to move the ball to score those points. Eli is not rushing the passer or playing CB, while he's at fault, he's not the only one.

And how has he failed miserably in his assignment? He quarterbacked the 2nd highest scoring offense in the league last year, and is still putting up decent points this year. We scored 21 points with a 21 point lead in the 4th quarter....its not all his fault.
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[quote:512409619e="ChargerCohen"]Rivers definitely had a bad game today. I walked away with a lot more respect for the Raiders D, cause some (a lot) of his throws were on the money, and were defended really well.

No excuses though. However, in the end, Rivers made some clutch passes, including a fourth down, and the team scored TDs on 2 of their last 3 drives to win the game.

One of River's greatest strengths is his ability to forget the previous plays and focus on the next one. He really showed that today.
Oakland has one of the best secondaries in the NFL (IMO - the 2nd best this year behind the Ravens). Those guys absolutely blanketed the Chargers recievers all day long and showed some serious ball skills. Gates was the only reciever who could get open and that was only a few times. So that said , it won't be hard for me to forget this bad game from Rivers. He's earned it.
Not so easy when your recievers aren't so wide open now is it?
Are you implying that Rivers has better WR's than Eli or that they NFC has better pass defenses than the AFC?

Because I call bluff on both of those.
The Chargers skill players are better than the Giants skill players and the Chargers use a much more QB friendly system.
We need Cam Cameron in the worst way. He's a great OC.

And Im tired of people acting like Rivers doesn't have skill position players.

McCardell = Toomer
Plax>Parker
Gates>Shockey
LT>>>anyone and everyone
Neil>>>>Finn

Oh and by the way, his oline is lightyears ahead of both Eli's and Bens, which is the most important part of an offense anway. A qb's best friend is the oline and RB, and Rivers clearly has the best in this discussion. Another forgotten tidbit. Rivers bandwagoners are the biggest hypocrites. He's no different from Ben last year. Its amazing, its like all the bandwagoners jumped ship from Ben to Rivers this year.
Rivers airs it out though, Ben never really had to do that his first year. Man, you Giants fans are coming off extremely bitter.
He puts it in the air more, but the system remains the same. Manage the game, let your run game and defense determine the outcome. Its much less of a burden on a developing qb in that situation.

Look at Eli's situation. He's asked to score alot because the defense can't be relied upon. Is it his fault that the defense gave up 24 points in the 4th? Is it that hard to ask for 1 3 and out the entire 2nd half? Look at the situations, theyre very different.

So what you're saying is...Eli is being asked to score a lot to carry his team, and has completely failed to step up to the plate.

I don't understand how this is a positive trait. Rivers is leading the #1 offense in the NFL, man, and our defense has been sucking without Merriman. Believe it or not, it's not all LT.

btw your defense giving up 24 in the 4th is misleading. It takes the blame off Eli, cause 10 of those points were off really stupid interceptions.
One stupid interception. Actually it was two stupid interceptions but the first was because of Plax's stupidity.
Its one thing if those INTs put them in the redzone, but neither did. At the end of the day, Tennessee had to move the ball to score those points. Eli is not rushing the passer or playing CB, while he's at fault, he's not the only one.

And how has he failed miserably in his assignment? He quarterbacked the 2nd highest scoring offense in the league last year, and is still putting up decent points this year. We scored 21 points with a 21 point lead in the 4th quarter....its not all his fault.[/quote:512409619e]

Everyone on the Giants is at fault from EA on down. And Eli played a significant part in the lost by throwing ints that stopped the Giants from running the clock down and gave Tennesee momentuim.

Your man crush on Eli is blinding you to reality.
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[quote:cac1b895b9="San Diego Chicken"][quote:cac1b895b9="ChargerCohen"]Rivers definitely had a bad game today. I walked away with a lot more respect for the Raiders D, cause some (a lot) of his throws were on the money, and were defended really well.

No excuses though. However, in the end, Rivers made some clutch passes, including a fourth down, and the team scored TDs on 2 of their last 3 drives to win the game.

One of River's greatest strengths is his ability to forget the previous plays and focus on the next one. He really showed that today.
Oakland has one of the best secondaries in the NFL (IMO - the 2nd best this year behind the Ravens). Those guys absolutely blanketed the Chargers recievers all day long and showed some serious ball skills. Gates was the only reciever who could get open and that was only a few times. So that said , it won't be hard for me to forget this bad game from Rivers. He's earned it.
Not so easy when your recievers aren't so wide open now is it?
Are you implying that Rivers has better WR's than Eli or that they NFC has better pass defenses than the AFC?

Because I call bluff on both of those.
The Chargers skill players are better than the Giants skill players and the Chargers use a much more QB friendly system.
We need Cam Cameron in the worst way. He's a great OC.

And Im tired of people acting like Rivers doesn't have skill position players.

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Oh and by the way, his oline is lightyears ahead of both Eli's and Bens, which is the most important part of an offense anway. A qb's best friend is the oline and RB, and Rivers clearly has the best in this discussion. Another forgotten tidbit. Rivers bandwagoners are the biggest hypocrites. He's no different from Ben last year. Its amazing, its like all the bandwagoners jumped ship from Ben to Rivers this year.
Rivers airs it out though, Ben never really had to do that his first year. Man, you Giants fans are coming off extremely bitter.
He puts it in the air more, but the system remains the same. Manage the game, let your run game and defense determine the outcome. Its much less of a burden on a developing qb in that situation.

Look at Eli's situation. He's asked to score alot because the defense can't be relied upon. Is it his fault that the defense gave up 24 points in the 4th? Is it that hard to ask for 1 3 and out the entire 2nd half? Look at the situations, theyre very different.

So what you're saying is...Eli is being asked to score a lot to carry his team, and has completely failed to step up to the plate.

I don't understand how this is a positive trait. Rivers is leading the #1 offense in the NFL, man, and our defense has been sucking without Merriman. Believe it or not, it's not all LT.

btw your defense giving up 24 in the 4th is misleading. It takes the blame off Eli, cause 10 of those points were off really stupid interceptions.
One stupid interception. Actually it was two stupid interceptions but the first was because of Plax's stupidity.
Its one thing if those INTs put them in the redzone, but neither did. At the end of the day, Tennessee had to move the ball to score those points. Eli is not rushing the passer or playing CB, while he's at fault, he's not the only one.

And how has he failed miserably in his assignment? He quarterbacked the 2nd highest scoring offense in the league last year, and is still putting up decent points this year. We scored 21 points with a 21 point lead in the 4th quarter....its not all his fault.[/quote:cac1b895b9]

Everyone on the Giants is at fault from EA on down. And Eli played a significant part in the lost by throwing ints that stopped the Giants from running the clock down and gave Tennesee momentuim.

Your man crush on Eli is blinding you to reality.[/quote:cac1b895b9]

Ive said everyone is at fault before. Read the Giants team discussion, or open your eyeballs and read what Ive said in this discussion. And Ive never given Eli a pass for what he did you fool.
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Eli had a bad int at a bad time. He did however help his team to a 21 point lead. He wasn't the idiot who gave up on a pass play or the idiot who gave up on the sack on 4th down. They sack the qb and this discussion never happens. I'm not an Eli fan, but give me a break he wasn't the guy who lost the game. I'd blame it more on the Defensive player. Eli is young just as Big Ben is. They will have bad seasons. Even the hall of famers have. Elway and Favre had bad years yet they are considered great. Rivers has only played one season, I guarantee he will have a bad year or two.
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Eli had a bad int at a bad time. He did however help his team to a 21 point lead. He wasn't the idiot who gave up on a pass play or the idiot who gave up on the sack on 4th down. They sack the qb and this discussion never happens. I'm not an Eli fan, but give me a break he wasn't the guy who lost the game. I'd blame it more on the Defensive player. Eli is young just as Big Ben is. They will have bad seasons. Even the hall of famers have. Elway and Favre had bad years yet they are considered great. Rivers has only played one season, I guarantee he will have a bad year or two.
Good post.

Eli was having an awesome game up until the 4th quarter....which is usually the opposite. Ask the Titans fans.
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How long have i been saying this? ha. No disrespect. I really do not understand what people have seen in Eli, he has been mediocre throughout his short career, I wonder if people actually watch the games. I feel he will be a great Qb....one day but, right now he is just average and as of late, the giants may be better off with Andrew Walter starting. The giants should have a stout O but, Eli is holding them back. You here all of this talk about how he won the division last season, blah, blah, blah. He threw for barely 50% last season, I wonder how far they would have gone with a more accurate QB, perhaps a Philip Rivers. Eli has great weapons, weapons that other QB's dream about, big talented vet receivers, an all pro TE, and quite possibly the top RB in football (LT is better :D ). The fact of the matter is Eli has had everything he has needed but, he continues to be inaccurate and make head scratching throws. The boy is just average. period.
Um sorry...but youve lost all quarterback credibility when you insisted that Drew Bledsoe was better than him, then went on to say that Romo was better after 2 starting games.

Even Eli at his worst, which was yesterday is better than Bledsoe.
I am rarely wrong when it comes to evaluating talent, it is just something that I have been good at. Wow, I was wrong with bledsoe but, I'm not wrong with romo. I said he was better than Eli after two games and guess what... he is. Eli is an inaccurate, poor decision maker and bledsoe has been solid all his life so, i thought it was safe to assume that he would not have that big of a drop off but, I was wrong but, it doesnt take a genius to tell you that Romo is clearly better than Eli. I said it a long time ago, Eli would be your downfall this season and I'm sticken by it. I havent been wrong about that one either.
For you to conclusively say that after 5 games of Romo just shows how idiotic that is. PLenty of qbs looked great after 5 games only to flounder. Rex Grossman a perfect example. Not only is hailing Romo stupid after 5 games, it shows blatant homerism. It takes 4 years to evaluate a qb, and you just conclusively did it after 5 games. I find that very funny.

Look at Kurt Warner. He looked like the next Joe Montana for 2 years, then became a stiff. So who knows what will happen with Romo. Yes he's playing great right now, no doubt about it. And I personally believe that he has the potential to be the future qb of the Cowboys, but to say anything beyond that is idiotic. If thats the case, then Rivers during his 5 game hot streak was the greatest qb of all time. Naturally, that is false.
Two things here.

1. Kurt Warner had a plethera of injuries and concussions, these are what lead to his demise as a Qb. Pre-injury he was arguably the best Qb in football, to say he was/is a stiff is just an ignorant statement. (no offense)

2. Have you ever watched Grossman play or at the very least compared him with that of Romo? They are not the same Qb, Grossman had some nice games, yes but, he does not make reads like Romo. Even the worst of Qbs can put up some good numbers every now and then but, if you truly know how to evaluate a player or atleast have an eye for it you could plainly see that Romo is a stud. No, it doesnt take 4 years to fully get a good evaluation on a Qb, that is just ludicrous. It depends on the evaluater and the evaluatee if you get my drift, it is always different. I myself have always had a knack for this kind of thing, i never said you have to agree with me but, i tend to be right. I'm a pretty bold guy, when i'm sold on a player, i will come out and say so, if he is on my team or not it doesnt matter. Regardless of how early it is in his career, like I said before, I've always been a good evaulater of talent so, i dont care what others say when I'm the first to come out and proclaim so and so to be the next great player.
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How long have i been saying this? ha. No disrespect. I really do not understand what people have seen in Eli, he has been mediocre throughout his short career, I wonder if people actually watch the games. I feel he will be a great Qb....one day but, right now he is just average and as of late, the giants may be better off with Andrew Walter starting. The giants should have a stout O but, Eli is holding them back. You here all of this talk about how he won the division last season, blah, blah, blah. He threw for barely 50% last season, I wonder how far they would have gone with a more accurate QB, perhaps a Philip Rivers. Eli has great weapons, weapons that other QB's dream about, big talented vet receivers, an all pro TE, and quite possibly the top RB in football (LT is better :D ). The fact of the matter is Eli has had everything he has needed but, he continues to be inaccurate and make head scratching throws. The boy is just average. period.
Um sorry...but youve lost all quarterback credibility when you insisted that Drew Bledsoe was better than him, then went on to say that Romo was better after 2 starting games.

Even Eli at his worst, which was yesterday is better than Bledsoe.
I am rarely wrong when it comes to evaluating talent, it is just something that I have been good at. Wow, I was wrong with bledsoe but, I'm not wrong with romo. I said he was better than Eli after two games and guess what... he is. Eli is an inaccurate, poor decision maker and bledsoe has been solid all his life so, i thought it was safe to assume that he would not have that big of a drop off but, I was wrong but, it doesnt take a genius to tell you that Romo is clearly better than Eli. I said it a long time ago, Eli would be your downfall this season and I'm sticken by it. I havent been wrong about that one either.
For you to conclusively say that after 5 games of Romo just shows how idiotic that is. PLenty of qbs looked great after 5 games only to flounder. Rex Grossman a perfect example. Not only is hailing Romo stupid after 5 games, it shows blatant homerism. It takes 4 years to evaluate a qb, and you just conclusively did it after 5 games. I find that very funny.

Look at Kurt Warner. He looked like the next Joe Montana for 2 years, then became a stiff. So who knows what will happen with Romo. Yes he's playing great right now, no doubt about it. And I personally believe that he has the potential to be the future qb of the Cowboys, but to say anything beyond that is idiotic. If thats the case, then Rivers during his 5 game hot streak was the greatest qb of all time. Naturally, that is false.
Two things here.

1. Kurt Warner had a plethera of injuries and concussions, these are what lead to his demise as a Qb. Pre-injury he was arguably the best Qb in football, to say he was/is a stiff is just an ignorant statement. (no offense)

2. Have you ever watched Grossman play or at the very least compared him with that of Romo? They are not the same Qb, Grossman had some nice games, yes but, he does not make reads like Romo. Even the worst of Qbs can put up some good numbers every now and then but, if you truly know how to evaluate a player or atleast have an eye for it you could plainly see that Romo is a stud. No, it doesnt take 4 years to fully get a good evaluation on a Qb, that is just ludicrous. It depends on the evaluater and the evaluatee if you get my drift, it is always different. I myself have always had a knack for this kind of thing, i never said you have to agree with me but, i tend to be right. I'm a pretty bold guy, when i'm sold on a player, i will come out and say so, if he is on my team or not it doesnt matter. Regardless of how early it is in his career, like I said before, I've always been a good evaulater of talent so, i dont care what others say when I'm the first to come out and proclaim so and so to be the next great player.
Great evaluator of talent eh? So I guess we forgot about the whole Drew Bledsoe thing?

And yes, you do need to give 4 years for a true evaluation. Look at Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Donovann McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, and many many others as examples who started out very slow and picked it up big time later.

On the flipside, look at guys like Ryan Leaf, Quincy Carter, Kurt Warner, Drew Bledsoe, Brian Griese among others who started out very well only to flounder later on.

When talking about developing qbs, theres absolutely no way you can makea conclusive evaluation in 5 games. No way.

I cede that you are a great evaluator of basketball talent.
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Peyton Manning was great in his 2nd year. What are you talking about?
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And yes, you do need to give 4 years for a true evaluation. Look at Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Donovann McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, and many many others as examples who started out very slow and picked it up big time later.
Peyton Manning was great in his 2nd year. What are you talking about?
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i didn't realize that peyton didn't start his rookie year.
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And yes, you do need to give 4 years for a true evaluation. Look at Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Donovann McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, and many many others as examples who started out very slow and picked it up big time later.
Peyton Manning was great in his 2nd year. What are you talking about?
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i didn't realize that peyton didn't start his rookie year.
And what does Peyton Manning's rookie year have to do with his great 2nd year? The original quote listed Peyton Manning as a slow starter. Once again you are showing your football ignorance.
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Didn't Manning break like every rookie QB record?
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Didn't Manning break like every rookie QB record?
26 TD's is quite alot for a rookie QB. He did have 28 int's, but he showed what is already going to come. Eli has shown that he is the Mr. October of football. Except Eli forgot you need to be Mr. December and January in football.
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And yes, you do need to give 4 years for a true evaluation. Look at Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Donovann McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, and many many others as examples who started out very slow and picked it up big time later.
Peyton Manning was great in his 2nd year. What are you talking about?
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i didn't realize that peyton didn't start his rookie year.
And what does Peyton Manning's rookie year have to do with his great 2nd year? The original quote listed Peyton Manning as a slow starter. Once again you are showing your football ignorance.
are you serious? he said they started slowly. he started in his rookie year. he, amazingly, did not say that they all had an awful second season. for christ's sake, mcnabb had a great second year two. does it normally take this long for otherwise simple information to get through? it's just NOT that hard.
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Only yardage and touchdowns.
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And yes, you do need to give 4 years for a true evaluation. Look at Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Donovann McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, and many many others as examples who started out very slow and picked it up big time later.
Peyton Manning was great in his 2nd year. What are you talking about?
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And what does Peyton Manning's rookie year have to do with his great 2nd year? The original quote listed Peyton Manning as a slow starter. Once again you are showing your football ignorance.
are you serious? he said they started slowly. he started in his rookie year. he, amazingly, did not say that they all had an awful second season. for christ's sake, mcnabb had a great second year two. does it normally take this long for otherwise simple information to get through? it's just NOT that hard.
Hey nimrod. The original poster said that the above QBs got off to a slow start and needed 4 years to develop. Manning was a star in his second year. Maybe if you weren't oogling Peyton's brother you could decifer that.
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Only yardage and touchdowns.
And Int's too right?
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