O-LINE

Zbikowski_9 · 05-01-2007, 03:36 AM

OK, so we have at leasted added some UDFA, and most look like specialist Zone Blockers, so i am very releived however we need imediate help, not just on the right side but for deph. Imagine if Bryant or Hutch went IR in training camp, we would be screwed 3 wins max wouldn't suprise me.

We need to add a quality Tackle who can start at RT, push Marcus to RG to create some competion and we have a real quality line with some options should injury strike. I would rather add two but at least one quality lineman will be a dramatic improvement.

My suggestion. Kevin Shafter. The Browns are pretty stacked now and i think they would be willing to deal him for a reasonable price. He would be great at RT for us and LT if nessassary. It gives time for Cook, Marcus and our Rookies to develope and as we all know you don't have to be drafted at all, let alone early to become a great O-Lineman.

crazyisme · 05-01-2007, 09:02 AM

yeah the RG and RT spots are still pretty up in the air. But I want to leave Cook there. I think he could still be real good.Hes quick and has excellent footwork. He needs to work on his technique and getting up from the snap, especially on some of the quicker ends. But I think he has loads of potential to be the RT for us.

RG is my biggest concern. I think Cook could be better than hicks this year. However, if we get decent play from Cook at RT, I think that'll also help Hicks out.

I was slightly disappointed that we didnt go after a RG in the draft, with Beekman still around for our 2nd 4th round pick, i was a little disappointed that we traded that away. However, getting a next years 3rd and Rufus Alexander in the deal makes me pretty happy. Hopefully there is a plan because something has to happen to help that right side out.

Severe Punishment · 05-01-2007, 11:57 AM

Why we would go with a ZBS 100% of the time is stupid. Why then give big money to 3 guys who are straight on punishers ?

The waste of talent and money continues.

wogitalia · 05-02-2007, 01:18 AM

Yeah, we have maulers and a potentially great RB and we are going ZBS. ******* Childress is clueless.

Kid_Ego · 05-02-2007, 10:49 AM

Well because most west coast teams use zone blocking. That is why generally west coast teams dont need great lineman.

Personally Ive never been a huge fan of the west coast offense, i think just like anything else. Something works until everyone uses it then it becomes predictable, But the cover 2 and a west coast offense is about the two most generic vanilla schemes in all of football. When 70 % of offenses use a west coast offense and atleast 60 % of defenses use the cover 2. Add in the fact you dont have many diffrence makers you have a 6-10 at best team. The vikings offense was ordinary with out robert smith and before Randy Moss. We proved before we dont need a super qb to be a good to great offense as long as you have play makers
As far as our line goes do players get a chance to improve or do we give them one year and if they arent all stars in their first year we cut them

Severe Punishment · 05-02-2007, 11:00 AM

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Well because most west coast teams use zone blocking. That is why generally west coast teams dont need great lineman.

Did you even bother READING what was said ?
If you don't need great lineman...then why pay Hutch, McKinney and Birk
(3 maulers) ?????????????

This board must be filled with teenaged kids.

Kid_Ego · 05-02-2007, 11:41 AM

Personally I think atleast 2 of those three are over ratedand over paid. And I was simply commenting on the fact why are we using 100 % zone blocking.
Because that is one of the defining features of the west coast Offense. I wouldnt call McKinnie a mauler. The guy is a mediocre tackle at best. And Birk is good to very good if he stays healthy. But that too is becoming a reoccuring theme. We have ALOT of IF AND BUTS.

IF Adrian Peterson stays healthy
IF Tavaris matures
IF Chester doesnt fumble
IF the right side of the line Matures
Our whole season depends on IFS AND BUTS

Crazy_Chris · 05-02-2007, 07:50 PM

McKinnie a Mediocre Tackle, Are you Nuts?? McKinnie is a BEAST he is a pro-bowl Caliber OT he had a down year(wasn't even a very bad one) Id be willing to put McKinnie in as a Top 5 LT in the league if not that definatly top 10.... and Birk is a great Center he also is a Top center in this league

Kid_Ego · 05-03-2007, 01:29 AM

Top 5? interesting lets see
Chris Samuels
Walter Jones
Orlando Pace
Jonathon Ogden
Tarik Glenn
Marcus McNeil
Willie anderson
Flozell Adams
Matt Light
Luke Pettigot
Uhm................Ya sure hes even in the top half?

Kid_Ego · 05-03-2007, 01:42 AM

Your also sure Chester Taylor is a top 10 back
When Im not sure hes in the top ten in the confrence hardly the league
he is how ever in the top 3 in our division because Jones got hurt otherwise he would of been the worst in our own division last year
Clinton Portis
Brian Westbrook
JuliusJones
Tiki Barber
Steven Jackson
Frank Gore
AhmanGreen
Edgrin James
Duece McCallister
Reggie Bush
Warrick Dunn
Thomas Jones
Just to name a few backs Id pick in front of Chester Taylor

Kid_Ego · 05-03-2007, 01:50 AM

We are going Zone blocking I believe because

A. we wont need to waste any morebig dollars on offensive linemen
B. it will allow the moneywe have already spent to be more effective
c it will allow our new linemen togain confidence quicklyina simply scheme

Severe Punishment · 05-03-2007, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kid_Ego

Personally I think atleast 2 of those three are over ratedand over paid. And I was simply commenting on the fact why are we using 100 % zone blocking.
Because that is one of the defining features of the west coast Offense. I wouldnt call McKinnie a mauler. The guy is a mediocre tackle at best. And Birk is good to very good if he stays healthy. But that too is becoming a reoccuring theme. We have ALOT of IF AND BUTS.

IF Adrian Peterson stays healthy
IF Tavaris matures
IF Chester doesnt fumble
IF the right side of the line Matures
Our whole season depends on IFS AND BUTS

Way to give cliff notes on what that "wogialita" guy said in another thread. only this time you didn't even bother giving him his credit for thinking of it first.

Plagerism...the choice of internet "champions".

Crazy_Chris · 05-03-2007, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kid_Ego

Top 5? interesting lets see
Chris Samuels
Walter Jones
Orlando Pace
Jonathon Ogden
Byrant McKennie(this is where he belongs)
Tarik Glenn
Marcus McNeil
Willie anderson
Flozell Adams
Matt Light
Luke Pettigot
Uhm................Ya sure hes even in the top half?

you have got to be kidding me if you tell me the others are better than him i would take Byrant McKennie Any Day over all the Tackles below him on that little list... And Marcus McNeil ??? seriously something wrong with you if you put a rookie with ONE good year that high on the list

Kid_Ego · 05-03-2007, 04:17 AM

Simple The guy has paved the way for 2 first round picks who both seem alot more average now that hes not in front of them. And oh yeah the man who put on a clinic last year at the running back postion. Wonder where LT puts him my guess is alot higher like all the fine folks who voted him to the probowl last year dipshit. Gee where was McKinney and Chester during the probowl last year?

Crazy_Chris · 05-03-2007, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Kid_Ego

Your also sure Chester Taylor is a top 10 back
When Im not sure hes in the top ten in the confrence hardly the league
he is how ever in the top 3 in our division because Jones got hurt otherwise he would of been the worst in our own division last year
Clinton Portis
Brian Westbrook
JuliusJones
Tiki Barber
Steven Jackson
Frank Gore
AhmanGreen
Edgrin James
Duece McCallister
Reggie Bush
Warrick Dunn
Thomas Jones
Just to name a few backs Id pick in front of Chester Taylor

No one in this Minneasota Vikings thread has ever suggested that Chester Taylor is a Top 10 back in the league but to look at your list its extremely wrong i mean you lose ALL credibility when you dont put LT and Larry Johnson on the list... this is what it should look like

1.LT
2.Larry Johnson
3.Stephen Jackson
4.Tiki Barber(now retired but would be this high)
5.Shaun Alexander(Will bounce back from injury plagued year)
6.Clinton Portis
7.Edgerin James
8.Brian Westbrook
9.Frank Gore(only reason he's here is 1700 yds too much to ignore)
10.Jamal Lewis(slowing down But turned it on at the end of the season and is still good)

to be a top 10 back in the league you must produce for more than just One year hence None of the rookies or Break out RBs should be on there other than Frank Gore... and why did you even bring up RB's here this thred is about O-line not Chester Taylor or RB's

Crazy_Chris · 05-03-2007, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kid_Ego

Simple The guy has paved the way for 2 first round picks who both seem alot more average now that hes not in front of them. And oh yeah the man who put on a clinic last year at the running back postion. Wonder where LT puts him my guess is alot higher like all the fine folks who voted him to the probowl last year dipshit. Gee where was McKinney and Chester during the probowl last year?

I REALLY think i am getting dumber from reading your posts... your like the damn guys in those espn commercials who Talks out his ass about sports. please do us a favor and go watch some ESPN News!!

Kid_Ego · 05-03-2007, 04:59 AM

Actually you are Dipshit neith LT NOR LJ PLAY IN OUR CONFRENCE

Kid_Ego · 05-03-2007, 05:01 AM

But I will say one thing I want to be in your fantasy league. LOL I will allow you to pick twice in the first round as long as your first pick is chester taylor LMAO

Zbikowski_9 · 05-03-2007, 05:03 AM

Does anyone else think we should trade for Shafter, or just me. The fact there is actualy talk of a trade now makes me think that there is a real possiblitity, but maybe we already have to much $$ invested.

Severe Punishment · 05-03-2007, 01:28 PM

Kid E,

Give up. Your basing your assumption of talent on YOUR grades / rank.

How silly is this ?

How about "Anthony Carter is the best WR ever...because he's my 1 ranked WR"

Think about it kiddo.

Crazy_Chris · 05-03-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbikowski_9

Does anyone else think we should trade for Shafter, or just me. The fact there is actualy talk of a trade now makes me think that there is a real possiblitity, but maybe we already have to much $$ invested.

Really where did you hear about talk of a trade?... personally im not sure that i want anyone who is a Reject from the browns O-line of last year

Zbikowski_9 · 05-03-2007, 09:02 PM

No what i mean is Shafter wants to be moved and the Browns don't mind moving him, and there was going to be a trade to the giants that fell through. He failed in Cleavland because he is a zone blocker and didn't fit in their system, he would be great in ours at RT and back up LT.

What would you give up. I say a conditional 4th rounder next year.

Severe Punishment · 05-03-2007, 11:25 PM

They need someone. Not addressing the line in the draft was mistake #2 of 3.

Zbikowski_9 · 05-04-2007, 12:41 AM

"Not addressing the line in the draft was mistake #2 of 3."

let me guess, number one was passing on Quinn......Yawn

Crazy_Chris · 05-04-2007, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Zbikowski_9

What would you give up. I say a conditional 4th rounder next year.

I don't know too much about Shaffer other than that he was a brown, but if he could come in and start on the right side a 4th is good