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Old 05-06-2007, 11:57 PM    (permalink
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Default Ranking system of Offensive lines.... very interesting

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol.php


While not definitive, I think its overall a solid indication of who's who in O-line. Its a formula, just like QB rating and if you take it that and don't over analyze, its very solid


wondering what you all are thinking about this.
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I told y'all Denver's O-Line was balls last year.
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This thread makes me even more contemptful towards Matt Millen for taking CJ over Thomas. Dead last and woeful in both categories, congrats Detroit! Jeff Backus & George Foster will really make the difference!
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Its good to see Chicago and New England rank high in both categories.
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imagine that, there are 5 teams who were worse at pass blocking than the worst pass blocking team in history...
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Not bad, except the Eagles offensive line is certainly better at pass protection than the Titans. #3 Run blocking I can believe, we're ranked #3 in interior just to prove how awesome Andrews and Jamaal Jackson are.
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Lollerskates. Atlanta ranked 2nd to OAK in worst pass protecting.

2nd to worst pass protecting OL.

WRs that lead the league in drops.

Last in passing attempts.

Yet its ALL MV's fault when the passing offense doesnt click.
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im kinda amazed that the cardinals are in the middle of the pack basically in both categories

which means these stats sucks
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While not definitive, I think its overall a solid indication of who's who in O-line. Its a formula, just like QB rating and if you take it that and don't over analyze, its very solid

wondering what you all are thinking about this.
Nice link. It was not all that surprising with the teams having good line play for the most part enjoying winning success. Green Bay at #16 rushing O-line rank, but #3 pass protection. Too bad they don't have QB hits and pressures factored in for pass pro.
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So apparently Minny's RT is great and clearly our RG is god awful, because if our middle is that bad and our LG and C are both good then clearly the RG is dragging it down. It does prove how one-sided our offense was though.
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which means these stats sucks
No, it just means that you weren't paying attention. The line finally came together in the last eight games of the season.
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Impressed by the Packers. We had 2 rookies starting and it was the first year of the ZBS, but ranked 16th in run and 3rd in pass.
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I hope some of the draft experts read that before killing the Giants for not taking a LT.
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4.76 2nd rank

Vernan Carey has been turning into a good Right tackle just the rest of the line sucks.
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These rankings kind of help things, but they don't really take into consideration coaching, playcalling, personnel, the timing of certain plays (like running well late in games), the use of short passes (like in the WCO), etc. There is some benefit to these stats and this analysis, but it is not a total picture that is proof positive of anything.
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These rankings kind of help things, but they don't really take into consideration coaching, playcalling, personnel, the timing of certain plays (like running well late in games), the use of short passes (like in the WCO), etc. There is some benefit to these stats and this analysis, but it is not a total picture that is proof positive of anything.
Beat me to the punch, great post. When will people learn that you can't make statistical sense out of football?
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I won't completely dismiss these analyses. You can do some statistical analysis to measure a team's success at certain plays, you can also mine the data of playcalling to help manage a game with packages, likely playcalls, etc. However, you cannot use statitistics to accurately project statistics or success on the field.
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Yeah, theres something wrong when a team that gave up 72 sacks is ranked worse than one that gave up 43.
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But wait...

Ghetto said the Giants line was awful....

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Browns were nearly dead last in everything with this group:
LT - Kevin Shaffer
LG - Joe Andruzzi
OC - Hank Fraley
RG - Cosey Coleman
RT - Ryan Tucker

the only bright spots were Shaffer and Fraley.

In 2007 this will be our OL that hopefully puts us in the 20's at the very worste for OL. 2008 with Bentley back will be scary, and on paper the best OL in the NFL, but unfortunatly were the Browns.
2007:
LT - Joe Thomas
LG - Eric Steinbach
OC - Hank Fraley
RG - Ryan Tucker
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These statistics look at individual numbers sets and try to compare and contrast 32 teams that have different personnel, playcalling, etc. It is probably impossible for a statistical model to really rank OLines. You can look at some statistical modeling, but in the end, yards gained and sacks/pressure allowed are all that really matters in the NFL.
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I am opposed to most metrics. I like a few of them, but I hardly give them more credence than what they are worth.
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