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Old 04-29-2007, 12:23 AM    (permalink
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half a starter? you're generous. but seriously, I dont really fault them for not taking a safety. the first round safeties were all gone by our pick, and the same for the second and third rounds, and in the second and third rounds we took players projected to go higher than they actually did.

Do you think Beason can switch to MLB? WHat about Kalil to guard? I like those picks, but they will have to switch positions most likely to have an immediate impact on the team.
Yeah, I better see them picking one up early tomorrow. I don't want training camp fader.

Idk, none of those players were on my hotlist, so I am obviously not going to be ecstatic.

Seems like a ton of people love our draft. Hopefully Jarret pans out, Kalil seems like a immediate starter.

I hope Beason ends up at MLB, it is encouraging to hear he could be the next signature Miami LB.
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Any CBs out there that can return kicks? We desperately need a 4th corner and getting a PR/KR out of him would be damn nice.
I'm thinking they should draft Steve Breaston, but he's a WR, not a CB.
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I'm thinking they should draft Steve Breaston, but he's a WR, not a CB.
yeah, but I don't know if Breaston has the speed to go with the mentality.


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nvm, Breaston ran a 4.4, he better be a Carolina Panther. making our WR draft chart:

Stevey
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Leaving out colbert and Hankton.
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I want in this order:

Wendling
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Only reason I specified cb is cuz I know Fox doesnt like carrying 5 WR. Might be different w/ Davidson here though. Hankton is already gone so a Breaston type might happen. Doubt its Breaston though, seems too obvious.

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S #1
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S #2
PR/KR
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OT depth?

we've got four picks to fill five needs not counting OT. Maybe one of the safeties is a tweener who can fill in at CB too. Then onto UDFAs
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Jon Beason - stocky and strong linebacker with great side to side speed it seems from watching some film on him. looks like another in the line of amazing run stopping tackle machines from the U. Add on the utility of getting Beason and an additional 2nd round pick.

Jarrett - Very smooth route runner who is a huge target in the red zone and is obviously going to be groomed to be KJ's replacement. Will have some favorable matchups going against smaller nickel corners in 3 and 4 WR sets. Also a huge value pick as many had him going mid to late first round. Before the world became obsessed with combine numbers, there were many that made valid arguments saying he near or even above Calvin Johnson's level.

Kalil - Another phenomenal value pick, as we draft a starter towards the end of the second round with the extra pick we got from NYJ. Kalil is a very fluid blocker who is versatile enough to play C or G. Most Panthers fans will argue that we spent too much money on Hartwig to have spent this pick on Kalil, but clearly one or the other will be moved to G and being solid opposite Wahle. I think Kalil will prob end up being the C as he is used to the zone run blocking scheme that we are going to incorporate this year. The C is responsible for making all the line calls so he'd probably have an easier time picking up the jargon and the ideas behind zone blocking.

Johnson - Seems like a broken record, but yet again another phenomenal value pick. Good size at almost 6'3 270, and some youth at DE should be welcomed with open arms with Wallace no longer being here and Ruck coming off of major reconstructive knee surgery. Most tv sports personalities had him being mid second round, so late third round is most definitely a great pick up. I remember hearing someone on ESPN's coverage saying that had he stayed his sr year that he could have easily been a first round pick in the 08 draft.

I love what we've done so far though it's definitely not what I had expected to do coming into today. I watched the whole draft today...all 12 hours or so and I was upset at first when we didn't pick up Willis or one of the 4 top tier safeties, however, our picks have been excellent so far imo. We have 4 guys that could be getting significant playing time by early to mid season. None of our picks have been reaches, even Beason. Pittsburgh admitted to wavering back and forth between Timmons and Beason, and you gotta admit, they do a pretty quality job of judging linebacker talent. Hope to see more solid picks tomorrow. Seems like we have Tanard Jackson rated pretty high on that "leaked" draft board and Scott Wright had us taking him in the third in one of his most recent mocks. We might try to draft him and try to experiment with moving him to safety possibly. Who knows? I'm ready for another day full of NFL Draft though. I live for this!

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You guys probably had the best first day of anyone. Four very safe, good value picks.

But all four NFC south teams had good drafts - I'd rank them Panthers-Falcons-Bucs-Saints thus far - so the next couple of years should be interesting.

Smith and Jarrett vs Hall and Houston/Williams should be particularly fascinating.
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NE Pats fan here. Just wanna say congrats on you draft so far, i think you guys were the day 1 winners. great job!
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Thanks for all the compliments and welcome to the boards AmbarishRaja. Draft certainly didn't play out like most Panthers' fan expected it, but you can't argue with the potential results.

Charlotte Observer columnist said that this draft needed to yield four starters, which is alot to ask, but I think we might have done it. Jon Beason could start as an outside linebacker or back-up Dan Morgan at middle linebacker (which is basically another starter). Dwayne Jarrett will be our #3 wide receiver and should become an instant red-zone weapon. Ryan Kalil could replace either Justin Hartwig at center or Evan Mathis at guard, every scout says he is the type of player that can start immediately and play at a high level immediately. Charles Johnson should see steady time in a rotation with Mike Rucker, and he'll likely take over for Rucker season after next.

I want to see atleast one safety today, possibly two. Steve Breaston may be the return specialist we target.
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JON BEASON:
On how he feels about being drafted by the Panthers:
-It's funny, I was just talking to my agent about it and I told him that ever since I declared that I was coming out early that I wanted to be a Carolina Panther.

On why he said that:
-I just felt it was a great fit for me, to come in and play with and learn from Dan (Morgan), a guy I trust. We're both Hurricanes. I know he's going to look out for me. I think it's a great place to live. I know it's on the rise as far as real estate goes. The uniforms. I love everything. It's a great place

On how he knows Panthers linebacker Dan Morgan:
-All of the former (Miami players) come back and work out. I sat down and talked to him a little bit. I saw his work ethic. It's things like that in my opinion that put The U players over the hump.

On what he likes to do outside of football:
-That's a tough question because football is so demanding. It takes up so much of your time. Even in the offseason you have film study and summer workouts. I just like to relax when I'm not playing. Maybe catch some DVDs or take a nap. That's just the life of a football player.

On his ability to play all three linebacker positions:
-You guys run a 4-3 scheme, which I know like the back of my hand. I'm not sure where they want to play me but I can play all three.

On his speed at the Combine:
-I wasn't 100 percent healthy at the Combine. I decided to run anyway because I had already committed to it. I told the different teams that I planned on working out and I ended up tweaking a previous ACL injury. I wasn't feeling great, but I went out and ran anyway.

On if he sees Morgan as competition now:
-I'm just going to go in there and say, "Dan, just tell me what I have to do." If he tells me to run through a brick wall, I'm going to do it. I'm sure he's going to put me on his schedule in terms of how he got it done and became so successful. Is he my competition? I look up to him. I'm going to work extremely hard and try to earn a starting job, but he's a guy that I know Carolina has a lot of respect for, and I do, too.

On if he will be ready if Morgan can't play:
-Physically, yes. The hard part about being a rookie is coming in and learning the schemes and terminology. Obviously I expect there to be a big difference in terms of speed and physical demands at the next level, but it's not something I'm worried about. I'm going to fight every down to get the job done. If they put that pressure on me, that's what we (players) are made out of. That pressure is what drives you and motivates you and you should live up to it.

On if he prefers outside or inside linebacker:
-It's funny, I came out of high school as a safety. I've only been playing linebacker for three years. I feel like I have a tremendous upside, and being so new to the position, I don't have any habits I can't change. I think that's a plus for me because whatever Coach asks me to do, I can just do it. I'm not stuck on doing it my way. At Miami we do a great job of cross training. All the linebackers have to know everything on the field so that if someone goes down we can rotate guys in and not miss a beat.

On when he first got the sense the Panthers were interested:
-We have Pro Day at the University of Miami, and their coach came in and wanted to do a quick interview, and it ended up being a 45-minute interview. We were talking football. They told me that they're big on character, and they just want great people. That was the sense I got and that's why I developed a dream of playing for Carolina.
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On how he feels to be drafted by the Panthers:
-I'm excited just to be on the team and help you guys get back to the Super Bowl.

On what he knows about the Panthers:
-I definitely watch them, especially with Keyshawn (Johnson) and Steve Smith being there. That's two outstanding receivers. The offense you run is definitely balanced. I just can't wait to get out there.

On the Southern California reunion at wide receiver in Carolina:
-It's going to be one with Keyshawn and Keary (Colbert) and myself out there. The USC receivers united together. It's going to be a great thing.

On Keyshawn's reaction to the Panthers selecting him:
-He actually called me and told me to keep my head up and he was pushing for me and things were going to work out.

On talking to his future teammate/draft analyst right after being picked:
-He's a mentor. I look up to him. He's been in the League since '96. We have history in going to the same school together. I think it's going to be a good thing.

On Keyshawn's initial advice to not come out this year:
-Everybody has their own opinions. I just did what was best for me and my family and stuck with it.

On if he talked to Keyshawn about his initial advice:
-I never had the chance to talk to him. I just read his comments in the paper. He and I have a good relationship, though. We've never had any problems or anything like that. He's like a big brother.

On Keyshawn saying he will take him under his wing:
-That's great. I'm a rookie coming in and he's a veteran. Why not learn from the best?

On what he knows about Jake Delhomme:
-He's been there for a while. He's a great quarterback. He just needed the opportunity to be surrounded by great players.

On if he was surprised he wasn't drafted sooner:
-I was, but there's not much you can do about it in these situations. You just roll with the punches. I'm excited. I know where I'm going and I can't wait to get there.

On if it will be an adjustment seeing the field a little less:
-No, not at all. I'm going to work my way to get on it. You have to start somewhere. As soon as I get there I'm going to learn from those guys and try to contribute as much as I can.

On if he talked to John Fox before the draft:
-I spoke to him a couple of times. We have spoken on and off. When he gave me the call, I definitely was excited.

On what Fox told him:
-He just asked me if I was ready to be a Panther. I told him yes. He said he's excited about me coming in and thinks I'll be a great fit.

On his knack for scoring touchdowns (41 in college):
-I just do what I can do to help out the team. By doing that, I ended up with 41 touchdowns. I thank God for getting me to this point and I just roll with it.

On having bragging rights over Keyshawn and Keary Colbert in some statistics at USC:
-It's all love. We're all family. I'm pretty sure we're all going to help each other out. We all want to win. We come from a winning program.

On if he has any concerns about playing in the NFL:
-No, not at all. I've been working hard to get to this point. I'll keep working hard to continue my success at the next level.
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RYAN KALIL:
On being drafted by the Panthers:
-It's a surreal feeling. I'm so happy for the honor to play for Carolina. I have a lot of people at a party here who are excited about that and I am as well. I can't wait to come in and help get the team to the Super Bowl.

On falling into the second round:
-I knew watching the draft last year that it might be something like that this year. There were so many guys who they labeled first round and they didn't go in the first round. I didn't listen to the hype because you just don't know. Seeing all of the mock drafts this year, the real draft wasn't close to any of them. It's kind of funny how it works out. I trust that God will put me in the right situation, and obviously I'm on the right team with the right kind of guys. Dwayne and I dropped down to this team and we're both so fortunate and excited to be together. I told Coach Fox if dropping to the second round is the worst thing that ever happened in my life, I think I'll be all right.

On his strengths:
-I think one of the high values people placed on me entering the draft is that I'm a versatile player. I'm a true center, but I can go in and play the guard spot.

On if he has played guard:
-I have. Not in games, though. I did at the Senior Bowl and I did well. I feel real comfortable at the position. Whatever position they put me in it's not going to matter to me.

On what he was told when he got the call that he was being picked:
-They told me they never imagined I would drop that far. They were really happy when their pick came and I was still there. I was just really excited to find out where the next part of my life was going to be, and I couldn't be happier that I'm going to Charlotte.

On if the coaches told him he might play guard:
-The conversation didn't extend too far. I just know I'll be flying in for mini-camp and we'll see what happens.

On his father playing offensive line in the USFL:
-The one thing I love about my dad is that he never pushed football on me. When the time came, and I started to really have a desire to play football, I went to my dad. The only position he knew was offensive line. I took a lot of pride in trying to pick his brain. It all worked out for the best. I love him to death. He's one of the biggest reasons why I'm here today, and we're all so excited right now.

On if he dreamed of playing another position first:
-We tried throwing the ball around, but when the ball kept hitting the ground, those dreams were over with.

On if he has talked to Dwayne Jarrett:
-I haven't yet. Everyone else has been calling, so I haven't had that phone call yet, but I'm sure I will.
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CHARLES JOHNSON:
On getting drafted by the Panthers:
-It was a relief because I was waiting for such a long time. As soon as I saw it was the Panthers, it was like a feeling that you never feel before.

On coming from a program like Georgia that has put so many defensive players into the NFL:
-There are a lot of good defensive linemen coming from Georgia. It really helps you watching film of them and trying to do the things they do. It will help you out in the long run.

On if he talked to former Georgia teammates now in the NFL:
-Yes. I talked to Leonard Pope. He's one of my good friends. I talked to David Pollock when we had a charity event last week. I talked to them a lot. They had a lot of good things to say. They said try to stay focused and stay humble.

On what he knows about the Panthers:
-I know a couple of things because of Thomas Davis and I have a couple of teammates at Georgia who are from Charlotte.

On what the Panthers told him his role will be:
-They really didn't tell me anything. I just talked to Coach Fox just a little bit.

On working with Julius Peppers:
-I can't wait to play with him and hopefully I can learn as much as I can.
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Repost of the supposed draft board: http://wp28panthersoffseason.blogspo.../big-list.html

They didnt really adhere to it that well but maybe they werent expecting anyone besides Beason to be there for them. I highly doubt it though, I'm guessing some dude with too much time on his hands just threw together some names the Panthers had been linked to


I'd like to see us trade one of our 5ths to move up in the 4th and snag Ben Patrick. Gives us 5 solid guys who could start by the start of the '08 season. That really leaves us gimped at safety though, so who knows? Is Gattis still out there? If so, either him, White or Wendling is satisfactory. It'll be just like scrub FA + Minter essentially so still not optimal. I think White could grow into a good player for us, not sure if he'd be above the Colin Branch line in his first year though. Still leaves a future need there but that's fine since it seems we've closed off possible future problems elsewhere.

Any CBs out there that can return kicks? We desperately need a 4th corner and getting a PR/KR out of him would be damn nice.
I actually think that was our draft board, they just never thought guys like Dwayne Jarrett and Ryan Kalil would fall to them which is why they weren't on the board. I think they'll start to follow the board a little more today, as there aren't too many more major value picks left and we should focus more on need.
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Some player comparisons:


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Kalil Compares To: Tom Nalen of the Denver Broncos Outside of Nalen, few centers get their jerseys as dirty as Kalil does Kalil is a tough-as-nails blocker who compensates for size limitations with very good hand placement, a strong punch and quickness off the snap He gets movement with his ability to take angles and shows good alertness on pulls and traps He keeps his hands active to handle multiple defenders and his body control, balance and vision lets him consistently neutralize second-level defenders He is susceptible to a strong bull rush from a nose guard, causing him to walk back in the pocket, but he has an array of moves and is a solid enough technician to make the game a long afternoon for his opponent.

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Beason Compares To: Mike Peterson, Jacksonville Like Peterson, Beason has a good flow to the ball He realizes that his size issues mean that he needs to avoid blockers rather than engaging them working in-line, but he has enough functional strength to make it difficult to contain him in one-on-one confrontations Beason, like Peterson, might be better suited to play inside in a Cover-2 defense, so he will not be exposed or gobbled up by the bigger blockers With his ability to flow from sideline to sideline, he will be better served playing in a scheme that will let him make plays in space rather than step up and try to fill.

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Johnson Compares To: Derrick Burgess, Oakland Like Burgess, Johnson compensates for a lack of height and bulk with a quick first step off the ball He is better playing off the edge, as he has the burst to close and pressure the pocket in the short area He works well down the line, but needs to open his hips up quicker in attempts to redirect He plays with good urgency, but does get frustrated when his initial move fails and needs to develop a nastier streak Even with his foot speed, he might not be a fit for linebacker in a 3-4 alignment, as he lacks the loose hips and backpedal agility to cover receivers in the intermediate or deep zones.

And Dwayne I think we all know compares to Keyshawn.

All those comparisons are awesome. We need someone like a Burgess who will be speed rusher. Mike Peterson is one of my favorite MLB, so hopefully thats where he fits.
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we maybe reached a bit for ryne robinson, but hes a good return man, so it doesn't really surprise me. he's small and his forty time isn't that great, but he's quick and elusive. i definately see him as our return man, but I doubt he'll see much time at WR.
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The nation's active career leader in both punt-return yardage (1,677) and punt-return touchdowns (seven)


He looks like a good pick to me. Fills an immediate need.
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His 40 is actually pretty good btw
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I like the Ryne Robinson pick. Yamon Figurs would've been our first choice, but the prospect with the second-highest total punt return yards in NCAA history is a nice back-up plan. Seems like the front office felt the offense was much more of a need area than the defense. I would have to assume we'll pick a safety somewhere?
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Compares To: Roscoe Parrish, Buffalo (Miami, Fla.) -- Like Parrish, Robinson is not going to scare any defender as a blocker and will struggle vs. strong press coverage. But if given room to operate, he has the loose hips, explosion and change-of-direction agility to be a dangerous open-field runner … He is one of the finest punt returners in the history of college football and he could make a very nice living on special teams at the next level … He is not as fast as Chicago's Devin Hester … Like Parrish, Robinson needs to be accounted for each time he touches the ball, as he has proven to be effective on reverses, deep routes and also displays a strong arm when asked to throw.
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The front office has given Jeff Davidson plenty of toys to tinker with, there should be no excuse for offensive struggles this season.
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I'm a bit surprised we chose Ryne Robinson over Steve Breaston.
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So, we are going to go into the season with one Safety?
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I bet we would have taken Josh Gattis if he hadnt been picked 5 picks earlier. So do we want Rosario to play TE or FB?
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NFL.com has Rosario listed as a tight end, so I suppose that's where he'll play here. His past as a fullback likely means he is atleast a solid blocker, which is likely why he was the choice.

I also have to wonder what our plan is at safety.
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Dante Rosario is going to fill the Mike Seidman role of waterboy. First pick I don't like. He has a cool name, though
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Really like the Tim Shaw pick.
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