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Old 05-07-2007, 09:03 PM    (permalink
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If McNabb isnt in your top five you are cleary insane... talk about injuries etc... when healthy to claim bulger is half the player McNabb is, is quite clearly lunacy.
Even when healthy, McNabb is only slightly better. Secondly, whenever you preface a statement with the "when healthy" line, it already defeats your argument. The "when healthy" line is an admission that missing time is a significant issue with your aforementioned player. When your starting QB is missing significant time, that is certainly a significant factor in grading.
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Exactly, Shiver thank you! I made a thread pertaining to the phrase if healthy in the off topic last week. If healthy nulls and voids any argument.
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here is where i'd rank him

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Carson Palmer
4. Drew Brees
5. Mark Bulger
6. Phillip Rivers
7. Brett Favre
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You don't rank any position based on talent alone, and that's what the "injury" line promotes. Players are ranked based on performance and other factors. If a player cannot stay healthy he shouldn't be a highly valued player and his rank status should reflect that. "If he was on the field" is the same as saying "If he reached his potential". If that's how people want to treat rankings I will come out and say it: Michael Vick is the best QB in football.
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here is where i'd rank him

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Carson Palmer
4. Drew Brees
5. Mark Bulger
6. Phillip Rivers
7. Brett Favre
Favre has no business being that high. You'd rather have Favre than McNabb? I would take McNabb for 10 games than Favre for 16. People that still have Favre ranked that high are either doing it sentimentally or they don't watch him play.
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Favre is in the middle tier of Qb's if we were gonna split it up into 3rds.
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GRF lets see your Top 8.

This thread really has no point, but yes he is underrated.
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Finally someone with some sense.
Bulger would be in my top 10 obviously and I really don't think you could consider him underated anymore and if he is its because he hasn't led the Rams to the playoffs in the last two years.. I had a chat with a Ram fan not to long ago and he was trying to tell me Bulger was the 2nd best QB in the league after Manning... and that Bulger was much better then Brady. To each his own I guess
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this is getting off topic, but if you throw in all the intangibles that are Bret Favre he is still a top tier QB

great arm, tough as nails, team leader, excellent in the clutch.

the only negative is he is a risk taker, which is kinda a BS negative
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I want to see your actual 1-12 QB rankings, just for my edification.
1. Peyton Manning- obviously Manning and Brady are 1 and 2

2. Tom Brady- see above

3. Drew Brees- I give him the edge over Palmer. Palmer didnt seem quite as good this season.

4. Carson Palmer- one of the best

5. Donovan Mcnabb- when healthy..... If you include injuries as a factor, he's off this list. Cause an injury prone QB is not a good thing at all.

6. Big Ben Roethlisberger- this guy is good, yet very underrated. I am considering last year a fluke due to the motorcycle accident. He has been great 2/3 years in the league.

7. Marc Bulger- He's a little higher up on my list then I thought now that I am actually making a list.

8. Eli Manning- He is incredibly underrated. Modern day king of the 4th quarter comeback (if only the Defense could hold up....)

9. Matt Hasselbeck- he had a down year, but he has been consistently good for a while, and I cant toss him aside yet

10. Phil Rivers- first year starting, so I am hesitant to put him on here. has a great supporting cast as well. People should take a wait and see approach before crowning his ass...

11. Jay Cutler- he's a rookie, so like Rivers I am hesitant, but I cant see him being anything less then a solid NFL QB, so he makes the cut

12. Mike Vick- He's not a good passer, but he's a damn good runner. He hasnt lived up to potential, and if he doesnt in the next couple years never will, but he's decent enough and the running ability gives him something a little different then other QBs.

Honorable Mention- James Chadwick Pennington- this guy is accurate as hell. just needs to stay healthy.

Vince Young, Chadwick Pennington,, Mike Vick, Jay Cutler
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Eli Manning 8th...give me a break.
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Ok. So he went from 9 - 11 in your opinion to 7th. Wow, not only is Eli Manning inconsistent on the field but your very inconsistent on your opinions!

Oh, and sorry but Roethlisberger is not better than Bulger.


Oh yea also, Eli isn't better than Rivers, Pennington or Hasselchoke.
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Ok. So he went from 9 - 11 in your opinion to 7th. Wow, not only is Eli Manning inconsistent on the field but your very inconsistent on your opinions!

Oh, and sorry but Roethlisberger is not better than Bulger.


Oh yea also, Eli isn't better than Rivers, Pennington or Hasselchoke.
Eli isn't better than Rex Grossman or J.P Losman. If you didn't know where Eli was drafted there's no way you could make a case for him in the top 10, none.
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1. Peyton Manning- obviously Manning and Brady are 1 and 2

2. Tom Brady- see above

3. Drew Brees- I give him the edge over Palmer. Palmer didnt seem quite as good this season.

4. Carson Palmer- one of the best

5. Donovan Mcnabb- when healthy..... If you include injuries as a factor, he's off this list. Cause an injury prone QB is not a good thing at all.

6. Big Ben Roethlisberger- this guy is good, yet very underrated. I am considering last year a fluke due to the motorcycle accident. He has been great 2/3 years in the league.

7. Marc Bulger- He's a little higher up on my list then I thought now that I am actually making a list.

8. Eli Manning- He is incredibly underrated. Modern day king of the 4th quarter comeback (if only the Defense could hold up....)

9. Matt Hasselbeck- he had a down year, but he has been consistently good for a while, and I cant toss him aside yet

10. Phil Rivers- first year starting, so I am hesitant to put him on here. has a great supporting cast as well. People should take a wait and see approach before crowning his ass...

11. Jay Cutler- he's a rookie, so like Rivers I am hesitant, but I cant see him being anything less then a solid NFL QB, so he makes the cut

12. Mike Vick- He's not a good passer, but he's a damn good runner. He hasnt lived up to potential, and if he doesnt in the next couple years never will, but he's decent enough and the running ability gives him something a little different then other QBs.

Honorable Mention- James Chadwick Pennington- this guy is accurate as hell. just needs to stay healthy.

Vince Young, Chadwick Pennington,, Mike Vick, Jay Cutler
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Eli isn't better than Rex Grossman or J.P Losman. If you didn't know where Eli was drafted there's no way you could make a case for him in the top 10, none.
Yea true. OR Byron Leftwich, Tony Romo, Trent Green, or Delhome.
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its his name..... what is there to not comment about....



And Eli is a top 10 QB imo. people asked me to post my opinions, so i did so.
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And Eli is a top 10 QB imo. people asked me to post my opinions, so i did so.
An opinion that is contrary to the evidence will always draw an adverse reaction.
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its his name..... what is there to not comment about....



And Eli is a top 10 QB imo. people asked me to post my opinions, so i did so.
Should I call every Ed, Edward? Every Jim, James? Every Bill, William? Every Bob, Robert?

The "no comment" is for the ridiculously exasperating headcase that you are. Or should I say, 20 year old playa. Mmmhm.
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thats why he's 4th in TD passes...

Its not even stats. its the intangibles more then anything. Give me a list of the top 15 or so QBs and see how many are legitimately better then Eli....
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thats why he's 4th in TD passes...

Its not even stats. its the intangibles more then anything. Give me a list of the top 15 or so QBs and see how many are legitimately better then Eli....
Give it up GRF. I'm a huge Eli fan, but he clearly isn't a top 10 QB until he proves that he can be consistant all season long. I've fought this battle before, you'll never win. There are way more Eli haters than Eli fans.
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Ooh! 24 Touchdowns! Wow, and 18 interceptions with a 77% Passer Rating, he's great!.
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This thread has nothing to do with Eli Manning. If you want to rant, go elsewhere. (hint; you know, maybe the Eli Manning thread?)
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Originally Posted by GiantRutgersFan View Post
thats why he's 4th in TD passes...

Its not even stats. its the intangibles more then anything. Give me a list of the top 15 or so QBs and see how many are legitimately better then Eli....
What kind of intangibles, pray tell?
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