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This is getting annoying regardless. Now I know why njx has become so jaded.
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This is getting annoying regardless. Now I know why njx has become so jaded.
You act as if there was ever a time when he wasn't jaded.
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I'd like to think so.
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Dang! I was gonna say the exact same thing.
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wheres yodachu when u need him? he the only one that can settle this.
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The only player on that list that might be worse than Manning is Grossman. They are both very erratic and inconsistent but Grossman is more of a winner so I'd take him.
Yeah, there isn't a lot that separates Grossman, Losman, Manning, Smith. The only reason Michael Vick is considered to be above them is he is every bit as erratic a passer, except he has Barry Sanders like elusiveness to somewhat make up for it. There is a cluster of "talented, but...." Quarterbacks.
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Eli going number 1 in 2004 is going to be like Keyshawn going number 1 in 1996. Yeah, serviceable career, but ultimately there were a lot better options at the position.

What? This is a Bulger thread?
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Eli going number 1 in 2004 is going to be like Keyshawn going number 1 in 1996. Yeah, serviceable career, but ultimately there were a lot better options at the position.

What? This is a Bulger thread?
Funny isn't it?
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eight cents.
divided four ways

1) Marc Bulger is underrated. Really. The man's never thrown below 50% completion rating in his life. So he dumps it to Jackson for 10 yards. big deal. that's 10 yards. i'm sure you could dump it to a tight end or reciever, but, hey, they're plan is to sent holt and bruce deeper and it opens up jackson on the inside.

2) i'm actually really perturbed that number 4 isn't on the 'tier'ed list. favre is better than eli. period. shiver. shame on you for nixing him over huard. 56% comp, 18/18 ratio. 3900 yards? Eh. and he has yet to miss a game? Injury line? He's one of the best leaders on the field, and i'd take him now over quite a few of the listed players. and stats aren't everything (if they were, we'd have kitna included in this conversation, but he's more just a byproduct of the system than a good quarterback...)

3) i am saying this: healthy quarterback = good quarterback. its their job to run the offense, lead the offense, and throw the G-D ball. if they're not healthy, they go the way of culpepper. who in some regards may be a good quarterback, but can't really stand on two feet anymore. when he's healthy is the lamest excuse. and christ, if i had a nickle for every time i heard... 'when grossman is healthy...' i'd have probably enough for a decent bottle of bordeaux.

4) as my last 2 cents come in. not under the same standard shiver put it under. but, as general groupings of skill qb ranks: 1) Manning/Brady/Brees/Palmer 2) Farve/Bulger/Hassleback 3) Pennington/Vick/Ben 4) McNabb/Rivers/Grossman/Losman/Smith 5) Romo/Cutler/Leftwich 6) Delhomme/Manning2/VY. Great recievers pad stats all the time. Great systems pad stats all the time.
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My personal rankings:

Tier 1 Players that can perform on a MVP level
  • Peyton Manning
  • Tom Brady
  • Carson Palmer
  • Drew Brees

Tier 2 Players that are very good, and they help their team's play at a higher level
  • Marc Bulger
  • Donovan McNabb
  • Matt Hasselbeck

Tier 3 Players that are either unproven, or inconsistent, but more often than not they are productive
  • Tony Romo
  • Philip Rivers
  • Michael Vick
  • Chad Pennington
  • Ben Roethlisberger

Tier 4 They have the potential to advance, but aren't there yet
  • Eli Manning
  • JP Losman
  • Vince Young
  • Alex Smith
  • Byron Leftwich
  • Rex Grossman
  • Jay Cutler
"Players that are either unproven, or inconsistent, but more often than not they are productive"

I have a problem with that and some of the players you list under there. How many games has Romo started. How can you say more oftehn than not he is productive. Same thing for Vick. I didn't know two out of 6 seasons in the NFL makes him more often than not productive. Ben is also coming off a horrible season. A season where they didn't dumb down the offense for him the first time of his career. He certainly has the physical tools but we'll see if his brain holds him back another year.
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"Players that are either unproven, or inconsistent, but more often than not they are productive"
I didn't exactly write up the tiers throughly. I basically just typed it up, on the fly.

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How many games has Romo started. How can you say more oftehn than not he is productive.
You're right, I should have him in tier-4.

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Same thing for Vick. I didn't know two out of 6 seasons in the NFL makes him more often than not productive.
Accumulative stats aren't the best way to judge Michael Vick. Usually about 3/4 of the time he is not that bad of a passer. He just manages to stink up the joint a few games a year, which ruins his stats. He is basically Rex Grossman, with wheels.

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Ben is also coming off a horrible season. A season where they didn't dumb down the offense for him the first time of his career. He certainly has the physical tools but we'll see if his brain holds him back another year.
Well, I know you aren't exactly a proponent of Ben Roethlisberger.
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I know stats don't judge Vick the best either so I like to go by wins with him a bit. He didn't really perform there as well. It seems like it is every other year with him.
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Don't get me started on judging a QB on W-L. That's one of my pet peeves.
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Don't get me started on judging a QB on W-L. That's one of my pet peeves.
I know its a team sport. But people say you can't judge Vick on stats because he just flat out wins games for his team. So if you can't judge him on stats and his team isn't winning, I can't consider him productive.
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That's an old excuse, that originated back in '04. In actuality, defense, special teams, easy schedule contributed as much as Michael Vick did.
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I'd love to hear Vick's new excuse. He seems to have an endless amount of them. And they come in all forms. Excuses on the field and excuses pertaining to the law.
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Eli Manning and Michael Vick have the ability to sneak into any thread any time they want.
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Because Marc Bulger isn't controversial enough. He needs to beat up a stripper, and become infinitely more interesting to discuss.
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Because Marc Bulger isn't controversial enough. He needs to beat up a stripper, and become infinitely more interesting to discuss.
or magically also start dating paris hilton...

...while in jail.

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