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i posted this on the bills message board.. but what do u guys think about these upcoming free agents?



Free Agency:
1. Jerious Noorwood HB- Extremely explosive player who can catch the ball and make plays (might've resigned already)
2. Lawrence Vickers FB- great blocking FB who has the athleticism to catch a few passes
3. Rashad Jeanty OLB- Young guy with size, who can be solid depth, maybe even a starter.
4. Ray Edwards DT- Promising DT who has sat behind P and K williams in Minnesota
5. Alex Barron OT- playing out of position, would be an excellent RT
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1-We won't bring in a good RB unless one of ours is traded
2-like it
3-like it
4-not sure, never saw him play
5-Butler moves back to RG woth Wood to C? Then yea that is okay
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4. Ray Edwards DT- Promising DT who has sat behind P and K williams in Minnesota
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He is a Defensive End not a DT. Im sure he could probably transfer to that but he has become good at LE this year.
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He is a Defensive End not a DT. Im sure he could probably transfer to that but he has become good at LE this year.
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for some reason i always thought he was a DT...
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melikes Lawrence Vickers!

I didn't know he was a free agent.
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I thought it was pretty funny
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I didn't know he was a free agent.

loved him coming out of Colorado...
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So, I've been thinking about how the Bills would look if Shanahan took over... What do you Bills fans think?

I think it's a no-brainer that he'd bring Jeremy Bates with him to be the OC and HC in-waiting. Probably bring in Jim Bates as either the DC or defensive consultant/specialist.

2010 Free Agents
Terrell Owens (WR)
Josh Reed (WR)
Derek Schouman (TE)
Bryan Scott (LB)
Jonathan Scott (OT)
George Wilson (DB) - re-sign
Ashton Youboty (CB)

Offense
*With Shanahan coming in, the Bills don't have a ton of moves to make to get their offense going well.
*The main thing is that they need to get their OL and TE positions healthy.
*They have Fred Jackson and Money Lynch signed long-term, so RB is not a worry for a few years (though a 3rd power back is something to look for late in the draft/udfa).
*The only move that would have to be made along the OL is at G pending Eric Wood's recovery (or lack thereof). The rest of this young OL should really excel, and possibly dominate using the Dirty Denver ZBS.
*At Quarterback, I'm going to go with Brohm here. Shanahan's offense is a perfect fit, and Brohm still has just as much potential as probably any QB available in the draft (exception: maybe Locker). I'm of the opinion that a big reason Brohm hasn't worked out so well because some QB's just are incapable of being good backups.
*The TEs the Bills have are perfect for Shanny's offense, pending their health.
* The WR situation is mirky. With Reed and Owens free agents (and Owens definitely gone), they're left with Parish, Evans, and Hardy. They have a big need here and might even consider trading Evans.

Defense
*The defense should be the main focus of the off-season.
*They need to become more stout at the point of attack as their rushing defense is 31st in the NFL, and George Wilson's tackle numbers are insanely high. Stroud's play hasn't been that great, and he's been paired with undersized DTs. I don't dislike Kyle Williams, but he needs to be more of a passing downs package DT.
*At LB, Poz has been good and Ellison's OK (nothing to write home about). They really could use a big upgrade at LB...they need more physical play here for sure.
*With Leodis McKelvin being injured for most of the year, the Bills have had a patchwork group at corner. They've played fairly well, but with the run defense being so bad, the passing defense remains a bit untested.
*The safety group, led by Jairus Byrd, has been solid. They're somewhat undersized, and have missed Donte Whitner at times due to injury, though.
*I like the DE group. They haven't played that great, but there's a ton of potential there, and it's a fairly deep group.

Objectives For 2010 Off-Season
1. Get healthy.
2. Upgrade the run defense and overall physicality of the defense.
3. Add at least one WR, two if Lee Evans is dealt.
4. Make overall depth upgrades on defense.
5. Install the Dirty Denver ZBS.
6. Add a power back behind Lynch & Jackson.

Pre-Draft Moves
Trade Trent Edwards, get back a 4th round pick
(going to go ahead and keep Evans because I don't know that he has much trade value due to his contract and lack of versatility)

Draft (current projection as of 11/25 is the Bills have #7)
1. Rolondo McClain, LB, Alabama
-The DTs are gone, so McClain's probably the best talent available...also fits into the off-season objectives of getting more physical up front.
2. Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
-Big, physical DT that can play every down. Very strong, and has good moves. Sees plays well. With McClain and inserted in Buffalo's DT rotation, should fix the run defense problems.
3. Brandon LaFell, WR, LSU
-With the Juniors likely to declare and guys like Danario Alexander making fast rises up the boards, LaFell's getting pushed back. This should be a great value pick for a player that can become a key cog in Shanahan's offense.
4a. Javier Arenas, DB, Alabama
-Really not doing this SEC raiding intentionally. Arenas is a versatile DB who can fill a lot of roles for the Bills.
4b. Dan LeFevour, QB, CMU
-Fallback plan for Brian Brohm. Has a lot of Jake Plummer in him, but a much smarter player.
5. Charles Scott, RB, LSU
-Scott would excel in this system. Kind of reminds me of Mike Anderson anyway... Would rather have Anthony Dixon here, but I assume he's long gone. Scott's had an off-year, and won't run that well at the combine or pro day, so he'll fall.
6a. Mike McLaughlin, LB, Boston College
-McLaughlin's had a bit of a down year. He can play a couple different spots in a 4-3, but is best-suited as an ILB. Should provide good depth and special teams play.
6b. Pat Simonds, WR, Colgate
-Big FCS receiver with a ton of production against lower competition.
7a. Eric Olsen, OG, Notre Dame
-Should fit into the system and provide good depth.
7b. Terrell Skinner, S, Maryland
-Big safety who gives the Bills some depth and versatility.

Depth Chart (rough estimate)
QB: Brian Brohm (Fitzpatrick, LeFevour)
RB: Marshawn Lynch (Jackson, Scott, Hairston)
FB: Corey McIntyre
WR: Lee Evans, Brandon LaFell (Parrish, Hardy, Simonds, Johnson)
TE: Shawn Nelson (Fine, Klopfenstein)
LT: Jamon Meredith (Bell)
LG: Andy Levitre
C: Geoff Hangartner (McKinney)
RG: Eric Wood* (Olsen)
RT: Brad Butler (Chambers)

DE: Chris Kelsay, Aaron Schobel (Ellis, Denney, Maybin)
DT: Marcus Stroud, Dan Williams (Williams, McCargo, Johnson)
OLB: Paul Poszluszny (Palmer, Corto)
MLB: Rolondo McClain (Mitchell, McLaughlin)
OLB: Keith Ellison (Draft, Harris)
CB: Leodis McKelvin, Terrence McGee (Florence, Corner, Arenas, Lankster)
S: Jairus Byrd, Dontae Whitner (Wilson, Wendling, Skinner)
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****No Creating Threads****

But I'll take a look

Where is Steve Johnson? He is better than Hardy.
George Wilson plays ST also, so that could be why his tackles are high.
Kyle Williams is the reason MJD didn't have 300 yards.
George has been playing over a healthy Donte Whitner the past few weeks.
If anything we need a speed back not power.
Trent Edwards for a 4th? Maybe a 7th.
Rolondo McClain like him, not sure at 7 right now but I like him.
Dan Williams good player, not sure about R2 but okay.
Brandon LaFell good player good pick
Javier Arenas, no, no, no, no, if there is 1 not need it is DB.
Dan LeFevour, like him.
Charles Scott, he is power and Lynch and Jackson have power, we need speed.
Mike McLaughlin, good pick need a back-up MLB
Pat Simonds, never head of him. Have depth at WR, PS i guess.
Eric Olsen, depth good pick.
Terrell Skinner, Don't need a S.

The fack that you didn't bring in anyone to play LT is a huge problem.
Denney is a FA.
Mitchell at MLB??? and backing up???
Parrish will be cut in the off-season. He gives us nothing.

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According to ESPN's Tim Graham, NFL Network analyst Mike Martz has serious interest in becoming the next head coach of the Bills.

Bills owner Ralph Wilson is aiming a bit higher, but it's not surprising that Martz wants back in the league. A league source tells Graham that Martz is high on Trent Edwards (at least someone still is) and would be "thrilled" to get the position. Martz would have to instill confidence in Edwards as a downfield passer. Mad Mike's offense requires QBs to hang in the pocket.
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According to ESPN's Tim Graham, NFL Network analyst Mike Martz has serious interest in becoming the next head coach of the Bills.

Bills owner Ralph Wilson is aiming a bit higher, but it's not surprising that Martz wants back in the league. A league source tells Graham that Martz is high on Trent Edwards (at least someone still is) and would be "thrilled" to get the position. Martz would have to instill confidence in Edwards as a downfield passer. Mad Mike's offense requires QBs to hang in the pocket.
At least our offense would be exciting. He got 4000 passing yards out of Kitna twice. Most of the big name HC's will avoid us like the plague since Wilson has a reputation of being exceedingly cheap with many failures at retaining our star players. It would take one hell of a financial committment to get one of the top HC's who are available.
As for Edwards and Martz, it might be a pair made in heaven but I still remember Martz saying the same thing about Harrington when he came to Detroit.
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LT is our #1 priority or no QB will survive in Buffalo. I suspect Edwards will be our starter but we have to give him a LT or he won't last the season.
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OL is an issue right now, but I really like the personnel they have there in Shanahan's/Gibbs's system - if they can get and stay healthy (which is the main problem). It's an athletic group.

I had trouble deciding whether to keep Evans and/or Parrish. Josh Reed probably needs to be brought back.
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- Trading Evans would result in a city-wide revolt. And would be pretty dumb. I'm sorry, but I can't think of anyone that wants to see that. It doesn't matter if he's one of the highest paid wide receivers in the game.

- Stevie Johnson can probably replace Josh Reed. You need to remember him when thinking of the Reed role. Thing is, we're very uncertain at our #2 WR. Parrish can gtfo. He's gone.

- Like previous posts have stated: We NEED a LT. Absolutely. First round.

- I like Lafell.

- You can't rely on our TE health, unfortunately. I really like Schouman, but he can't stay healthy. Derek Fine is a #3 TE that may or may not be better than Stupar. Nelson has 6 more games of being the guy, hopefully they serve as a nice preview for next year. I think they will.

- Replacing Mitchell instead of Ellison? Mitchell isn't that great, but this helps us to be more physical?

- Kyle Williams rules. Top 5 value player on our team.

- I can't question our secondary. McGee is locked up, McKelvin/Florence/Corner/Lankster are all signed and viable options for starting or depth. Safety could be fine, but I'd hate to see the versatile Scott leave.

- I doubt much changes in the DE group, but I'd like to see something from Ellis and Maybin. Anything. Makes me uncomfortable moving forward.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4691552

So Jim Kelly thinks Tebow would be perfect for the Bills.

I guess I can see that. We really do need a better option at fullback....
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So Jim Kelly thinks Tebow would be perfect for the Bills.

I guess I can see that. We really do need a better option at fullback....
kelly might as well go hang out with Marv Levy, both dont know what they are talking about anymore
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The Bills fans on this MB should separate into 2, or 3 groups and see which one can come up with the best offseason. Obviously, you'll say your group is the best, but hopefully we can see the other's point of view.
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That's pretty awesome to think that there are enough Bills fans here now to seperate into multiple groups.

It was so lonely back in the day..
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The simplest solution for this team to start getting wins is to start staying healthy. Easier said than done obviously but it is the number one thing holding this team back at this point. 14 players on IR will get a team no where which is case right now.

How do you fix the problem? Better conditioning and hope luck is on your side.
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I wouldn't say it's the number one thing holding us back. We're looking at a leadership overhaul and may have no good options at LT or QB.

Half the names on IR are bogus. But no Butler, Wood, Mitchell, McKelvin, Ellison, or Schouman still does hurt a lot, can't disagree with that. Those are easily our two best offensive linemen, and two starting LB out is a clear trouble for us. TE injuries, especially Schouman, helped put our offense in a bad spot, and you still wanted to see McKelvin this year, even though I feel Florence has played better than McKelvin would have.
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your boy Trevor Scott got 2 sacks to day, i think.
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I think all the injuries really have a psychological effect on the team which lowers morale. The play in the first two games of the season as compared to the following games(especially v. the Browns) really shows a contrast of intencity on the field. This is one of the reasons why I think it is such a problem aside from not having talent on the field. But you are right, the leadership is a mess and proper leadership would keep the morale from going down, so getting that fixed is where we need to start. From there figuring out why we cannot keep people healthy would be nice ... If Suh was to fall a few spots to us we might beable to solve some problems as well haha.
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