Denver Broncos Discussion - Page 109

Timbathia · 12-26-2011, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jCut

I think we got exposed defensively, in addition to Tebow and the offensive line regressing. At this point, I more or less expect us to blow the KC game and miss out on the playoffs, a' la the 2008 Donkeys. Yes, the sky is falling.

Dont worry chicken little, some of us are right there with you.

Diehard · 12-26-2011, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by crossroads

McGahee ran well on the first drive, but as the game went on the Bills were giving up less and less in the running game. I think Denver had something like five straight drives go three and out in the first half, and in that time the Bills scored about 17 straight in the 2nd quarter.

This is pretty much the story of the season... and the coaching staff need to bear the brunt of the blame. They should be able to coach and gameplan to get the team out of this rut, but unfortunately its more of the same. I think McCoy may be the single worst playcaller in the league. run-run-run-punt until you're 2+ scores in the hole, then pass-pass-pass-int? Ridiculous. The special teams played like **** which really should've thrown any thought of a close, field-position game out of the window. Yet, there they were, trying to do just that for 3 quarters. Is the team really this stupid?

njx9 · 12-26-2011, 03:44 PM

what options are there, really? if mcgahee isn't getting anything going, the offense has been pretty much DOA all season, no matter what the play-calling was like.

Timbathia · 12-30-2011, 12:55 AM

Pretty quiet in here considering we are about to have our biggest game for a few years.

What do we all think - win or lose?

I think win, but will not be remotely suprised if we lose.

Jimmy · 01-01-2012, 03:42 PM

Chris Kuper is done for the playoffs, even if we make them.
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't ready for the season opener.

Just completely shattered his ankle. Completely. Got taken off in an aircast. ****.

Jimmy · 01-01-2012, 06:23 PM

We have a better shot of beating Pittsburgh if we start Brady Quinn.*

Discuss this thought that I don't necessarily agree with:

njx9 · 01-01-2012, 06:37 PM

quinn and gabbert are quite literally the only qbs in the entire league who could make the team worse.

now y'all see why the play-calling is limited? because tebow's not bloody capable of running anything remotely approximating an offense. he's completely incapable of making a read. there's *far* more than a single offseason of 'fixing' there.

CT Bronco Fan · 01-01-2012, 07:19 PM

playoffs!!!

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 01-01-2012, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

quinn and gabbert are quite literally the only qbs in the entire league who could make the team worse.

now y'all see why the play-calling is limited? because tebow's not bloody capable of running anything remotely approximating an offense. he's completely incapable of making a read. there's *far* more than a single offseason of 'fixing' there.

Yeah, Quinn is balls. He's Tebow without the ability to pull insane moments out of his ass. AKA the Tebow we've seen the past 3 weeks. Today was actually the first time I've watched a full game of Tebow's this season, and wow... he is awful. I think we should bring in a veteran this year, let us see what miracle Tebow can achieve in the offseason, and if its underwhelming, give up on the experiment.

Our only chance next week is if McGahee can go nuts enough to let Tebow escape the pocket and work. Unfortunately, our opponent is the Steelers, giving that a 0.4% chance of happening.

Jimmy · 01-01-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)

I think we should bring in a veteran this year, let us see what miracle Tebow can achieve in the offseason, and if its underwhelming, give up on the experiment.

My #1 choice right now is Jason Campbell. He was decent for Oakland... I actually like him more than Orton. Sign him to a 3 year deal and go from there.

Timbathia · 01-01-2012, 10:50 PM

I think we have to accept another year of tebow. I say we stack the defense in the draft and FA this offseason, and then see what the offense does under Tebow next year. Start rebuilding it next offseason if necessary.

I will be watching the playoffs next week very embarassed that our team is there.

Timbathia · 01-01-2012, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy

Chris Kuper is done for the playoffs, even if we make them.
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't ready for the season opener.

Just completely shattered his ankle. Completely. Got taken off in an aircast. ****.

Tis really sucks if he is not rigt next year. We have enough weak spots for new ones to open up.

njx9 · 01-01-2012, 11:07 PM

we can't draft anyone until tebow's gone. and there's no FA qb who's going to be any better than orton was. meh. use the draft, take the best players regardless of position, prepare to move on next year as if tebow's going to suck, then be pleasantly surprised if he somehow doesn't.

i hate that i can't even be excited about the playoffs.

jCut · 01-02-2012, 01:46 PM

I think Matt Flynn is for real. I know he had a lot of weapons to throw to yesterday, but that was an epic performance nonetheless . He's a free agent next year, so why not throw some money at him?

njx9 · 01-02-2012, 01:51 PM

no. just no. he's the next kevin kolb. don't want. doesn't fit. doesn't help anything.

edited to add: and will cost WAY too much.

J-Mike88 · 01-02-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jCut

I think Matt Flynn is for real. I know he had a lot of weapons to throw to yesterday, but that was an epic performance nonetheless . He's a free agent next year, so why not throw some money at him?

yes. just yes.
Flynn's top target yesterday was #87 Jordy Nelson.
Denver's #87 is very similar in size, speed, and style.
And then there's Demaryious Thomas.

Flynn would have won that game for you yesterday, and beaten Buffalo.

We'll take your #21 pick for Flynn, or Elvis Dumervil.
Elway will love Flynn. He's a winner.
And he can throw the football like a quarterback.

njx9 · 01-02-2012, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

yes. just yes.
Flynn's top target yesterday was #87 Jordy Nelson.
Denver's #87 is very similar in size, speed, and style.
And then there's Demaryious Thomas.

Flynn would have won that game for you yesterday, and beaten Buffalo.

We'll take your #21 pick for Flynn, or Elvis Dumervil.
Elway will love Flynn. He's a winner.
And he can throw the football like a quarterback.

that's the worst trade ever. he doesn't fit the idiotic offense we're playing. he's not anywhere near as good as you want to think he is. and he's certainly not worth our first or a very good DE. just stop it.

jCut · 01-02-2012, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

no. just no. he's the next kevin kolb. don't want. doesn't fit. doesn't help anything.

edited to add: and will cost WAY too much.

Yep. He's the next Kevin Kolb, because he's a backup QB that has performed well when given opportunities. That makes sense. Everytime I've seen this kid, he's done good things. And we don't have to trade for him.

njx9 · 01-02-2012, 04:59 PM

and he doesn't fit any part of the offense we're in. but yeah, i ONLY called him kolb because he's a backup

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CT Bronco Fan · 01-02-2012, 05:24 PM

Broncos signed OL Ryan Harris today, when healthy the kid played great, when healthy that is.

Wonder if he's just for depth or if he'll plug into the RG.

jCut · 01-02-2012, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

and he doesn't fit any part of the offense we're in. but yeah, i ONLY called him kolb because he's a backup

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Well, you called him the next Kevin Kolb without illustrating your comparison. And I don't think it's a given that Mike McCoy and his god-awful offensive scheme is retained next year. I doubt Elway is comfortable with a conservative offense in a passing league.

njx9 · 01-02-2012, 06:15 PM

at this point, tebow will still be our qb to start next year. i can't imagine our offense changing dramatically.

Timbathia · 01-02-2012, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

at this point, tebow will still be our qb to start next year. i can't imagine our offense changing dramatically.

it is worth mentioning (and I just did in another forum), that we have an exceptionally inexperienced offense from a personnel standpoint. Tebow, Decker, DT, Beadles, Walton and Franklin have all less than 2 seasons experience, and [insert TE name in here] isnt exactly a seasoned vet either. Obviously Tebow's development as a passer will be the limiting variable next year, but as a whole the offense left as is should get considerably better next year just from an experience standpoint (obviously that doesnt necessarily mean much considering how bad this year).

jCut · 01-02-2012, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

at this point, tebow will still be our qb to start next year.

I really hope you're wrong.

njx9 · 01-02-2012, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbathia

it is worth mentioning (and I just did in another forum), that we have an exceptionally inexperienced offense from a personnel standpoint. Tebow, Decker, DT, Beadles, Walton and Franklin have all less than 2 seasons experience, and [insert TE name in here] isnt exactly a seasoned vet either. Obviously Tebow's development as a passer will be the limiting variable next year, but as a whole the offense left as is should get considerably better next year just from an experience standpoint (obviously that doesnt necessarily mean much considering how bad this year).

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Originally Posted by jCut

I really hope you're wrong.

i really agree with both of you. but, from where i sit, tebow is what he is. it's like watching vince young as a passer (except that vince young was an idiot). there are just some habits that you can't un-teach. tebow's throwing motion, and consequently, his inability to reliably throw the football is one of those things, imo. as such, if we're going to do more than throw in the towel next year, we'll likely be running the exact same system. yes, probably with a few changes, but i think it'll be the same base.

so, that said, it's just a crap year to do anything at the position. you can't install two different offenses, just in case one guy isn't qb. and, because the fans here are morons, they won't accept tebow (the guy who like, led us to the playoffs and stuff) not being the opening day starter. so, we get another season of this crap. next year is the year we can start to look at a real qb. hell, depending on who's on the board, i'd be tempted to move out of round one entirely to try to add ammunition for next year. but i can't see us drafting a serious qb, or signing something more than the aforementioned 'vet qb x' who likely won't be anything better or worse than orton.