Denver Broncos Discussion - Page 114

Diehard · 02-23-2012, 05:21 PM

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that's where i'm at. anyone we draft, barring the case you mentioned, outside the first is almost by definition, not starting material.

I think the whole "QB completion in TC" is pretty much bogus anyway. Tebow will either be the guy or they will explicitly acquire his replacement in the draft or FA. After the QB mess last year, I think they will avoid any sort of ambiguity in this area.

njx9 · 02-23-2012, 06:06 PM

agreed. i'd expect (or maybe 'like', more accurately) to sign a quality veteran backup, as it seems that tebow is the guy until he plays himself out. have someone who could step in, and plan to move up as high as we need to next year. i just can't see anything that i'd actually want to do to change the position this year, short of the colts doing something really moronic with the first pick.

Rcee · 02-24-2012, 06:24 AM

sorta' curious if any of you have any 'crushes' that you'd love to see in a broncos uni.

i'm really diggin' some fletcher cox right now, and the more i watch lamar miller, the more i wouldn't mind grabbing him either. it's a shame we used 2 draft picks last year on TEs because i've developed quite the fondness for fleener and allen as well.

Jimmy · 02-24-2012, 06:45 AM

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sorta' curious if any of you have any 'crushes' that you'd love to see in a broncos uni.

i'm really diggin' some fletcher cox right now, and the more i watch lamar miller, the more i wouldn't mind grabbing him either. it's a shame we used 2 draft picks last year on TEs because i've developed quite the fondness for fleener and allen as well.

For a reasonable 2 year contract, Jason Campbell would be a great signing and he would give Tim an immediate slap in the ass to get moving. OR he would steal his job, fair and square. May the best quarterback start. Short term, it's a better solve than a late round guy, and we still need to add a second quarterback in the draft.

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Would provide excellent value in the 4-5 area, but something tells me he will be gone long before then. Probably my biggest draft crush aside from Chris Polk. If Polk doesn't run well in INDY, he has my endorsement for a round 3 plummet selection.

3. Janoris Jenkins- His hips don't lie. Not concerned with his character issues. I hope that he somehow gets to 25.

4. Mark Barron- Won't fall to #25, but if he did... He'd most likely be the BPA. Without getting into details, I think he's one of the 10 best players in the draft.

Lamar Milller (and I think I've said this a bunch of times...) is another Tatum Bell, at least from what I've seen. He lacks a great change of direction on most plays. This isn't because he's physically incapable of making quick cuts, because he can actually stop on a dime. But because his vision isn't up to par. He will just as soon run into his blocker as he will make a one cut into a hole. Nobody can deny the fact that he has superior speed, but he plays about 5-10 pounds less than he weighs in. He goes down easily on a regular basis. Not a ton of leg drive. I think he needs to be treated like a Lamichael James, somebody who I think packs just as much power as Miller, but far most consistent elusiveness and ability to see the hole. Off to watch some highlights again.

If he puts on 5 pounds before the year and performs well in the positional drills and bench at indy, I wouldn't be incredibly opposed.

njx9 · 02-24-2012, 08:12 AM

lamichael. still. i don't think we'll take him, and i expect he'll be a bust on most nfl teams. but he'd be so perfect here.

i agree on campbell if we're talking about like, a 2 year deal. he just shouldn't be a starting nfl qb.

Rcee · 02-24-2012, 01:31 PM

forgot about jenkins, he's probably my favorite possibility at 25.

not a lamichael fan. would prefer someone like rainey in the 4th as opposed to james in the 2nd.

Diehard · 02-24-2012, 02:51 PM

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not a lamichael fan. would prefer someone like rainey in the 4th as opposed to james in the 2nd.

I think LaMike would be a good fit as our second RB, but I'd like to see him slide into the 3rd before picking him up. I'd rather see our 2nd rounder used to acquire a starter.

njx9 · 02-24-2012, 03:09 PM

don't disagree. ideally for me, we go DT, CB then RB (assuming no positional difference in value at each pick), then start to fill in depth (LB, OL, whatever).

Jimmy · 02-25-2012, 11:21 AM

Guys that won't be there at 25, but should be taken if they are, based on value:

Kirkpatrick, Ingram, Kuechly, Kendall Wright, Devon Still, Cordy Glenn

If any of the following guys are there at #25, I think it's a no brainer as well.

I just really really hope we go BPA. None of these guys could hurt.

njx9 · 02-25-2012, 07:29 PM

i don't really like still. might just be penn state bias.

Diehard · 02-27-2012, 04:40 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...p_t11_a2<br />

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I think Denver picks a quarterback in the first two rounds

Hmm. That doesn't make sense to me unless we move Tebow. Even then, we have zero shot at the top 2 guys, so who is going to walk in and take the starter job? Weeden? Cousins? Osweiler? Tannehill has talent but he's a project... and is probably also long gone before we pick.

njx9 · 02-27-2012, 04:46 PM

i would actually vomit. the only qb we should be taking in the first two rounds won't make it past the first pick.

Diehard · 02-27-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

i would actually vomit. the only qb we should be taking in the first two rounds won't make it past the first pick.

I agree... and I am reminded that Peter King made this same prediction when we ended up taking Tebow. Perhaps he knows something we don't?

njx9 · 02-27-2012, 05:41 PM

god i hope not. if we take some garbage like osweiler in the first, we'll be back to the #2 overall pick inside of 3 years.

Diehard · 02-27-2012, 08:30 PM

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god i hope not. if we take some garbage like osweiler in the first, we'll be back to the #2 overall pick inside of 3 years.

I'm actually warming up to the Osweiler pick if the value is right. However, taking him in the first would be a serious reach. At the same time, it would definitely mean we've shipped Tebow out for picks as there's no way you could justify taking a guy early just to create some competition in TC.

Cunningham · 02-28-2012, 09:07 PM

i have a feeling that one of either jenkins or kirkpatrick will fall to 25. gilmore's also intriguing, but it's hard to find a whole lot of info on the guy. also, what the ****, vontaze? what could've been...

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Originally Posted by Diehard

I'm actually warming up to the Osweiler pick if the value is right. However, taking him in the first would be a serious reach. At the same time, it would definitely mean we've shipped Tebow out for picks as there's no way you could justify taking a guy early just to create some competition in TC.

taking osweiler anywhere before day three would be a serious reach, imo.

njx9 · 02-28-2012, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham

i have a feeling that one of either jenkins or kirkpatrick will fall to 25. gilmore's also intriguing, but it's hard to find a whole lot of info on the guy. also, what the ****, vontaze? what could've been...

i would kill to get dre in the first. i wouldn't like his value in the top 15, but at 25? sign me up, especially with a couple of seasons to play under champ. realistically, i like the cbs that i think will be available for us a lot more than the DTs i expect to be available.

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taking osweiler anywhere before day three would be a serious reach, imo.

completely agree, and i'd agree even if we had no qbs on the roster. i've watched as much tape as i could stomach and he's just not an nfl qb, imo.

Diehard · 02-29-2012, 01:00 AM

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i would kill to get dre in the first. i wouldn't like his value in the top 15, but at 25? sign me up, especially with a couple of seasons to play under champ. realistically, i like the cbs that i think will be available for us a lot more than the DTs i expect to be available.

Unless there's a big run on DT's, we should have some choice at 25 if we're set on that position. The big potential guys (Poe, Brockers) will be gone, but that leaves plenty - Cox, Worthy, Still, Ta'amu, Thompson. Take your pick. Even better, trade back a bit and still have some choices.

I think defense will be solid at 25 as long as we aren't too picky about position. Offensive options will be a lot weaker - too many teams seem to be looking for playmakers on offense this time around.

njx9 · 02-29-2012, 08:16 AM

i dunno, i don't really do mocks (or pay much attention at this point), but i have a feeling DT will be a hotter commodity, and i'm unconvinced some of those guys would have value at our pick (now, if we could trade back a bit, i'd be all for a guy like still). meh. it's march, i think FA will tell us a lot, pretty quickly.

Diehard · 02-29-2012, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

i dunno, i don't really do mocks (or pay much attention at this point), but i have a feeling DT will be a hotter commodity, and i'm unconvinced some of those guys would have value at our pick (now, if we could trade back a bit, i'd be all for a guy like still). meh. it's march, i think FA will tell us a lot, pretty quickly.

I think the best approach would be to see if someone with really good value drops to 25, and if not, trade back a bit. We could use an extra 3rd, especially if we're going to burn a pick somewhere on a QB.

Having the Steelers picking right ahead of us is a bit annoying, as they have some very similar needs (OL, DL, CB, ILB). Makes the trade back situation a little more likely.

njx9 · 02-29-2012, 03:06 PM

i'd be in. i'd be happy to pitch our first for a first next year straight up, but that's mostly because i expect we'll need to draft a real qb next year and would want the ammo to move around if necessary.

Jimmy · 02-29-2012, 10:47 PM

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i'd be in. i'd be happy to pitch our first for a first next year straight up, but that's mostly because i expect we'll need to draft a real qb next year and would want the ammo to move around if necessary.

Matt Barkley? ~~Landry Jones?~~ Tyler Bray? Aaron Murray?

njx9 · 02-29-2012, 10:49 PM

i think murray right now. i really, really don't like barkley and i haven't seen bray.

Diehard · 03-01-2012, 02:35 PM

Talking about the next draft like this isn't exactly inspiring my confidence about the coming season...

Anyway, the thinking is right:

If it is truly Tebow's year to sink or swim, look at drafting a QB early in 2013 if the sinking thing happens.

If you've already written off Tebow behind closed doors, then ship him out now and draft his replacement in 2012. Unfortunately, the talent pool and our draft position are not very favorable to this approach.

Taking a flyer on a guy mid-late in this year's draft is fine either way, as you need someone to groom as a backup (or more than that if you get lucky).

njx9 · 03-01-2012, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Diehard

Talking about the next draft like this isn't exactly inspiring my confidence about the coming season...

sorry, it's apparently never too early for me to assume we'll suck. :P