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Old 01-14-2007, 09:22 AM    (permalink
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Asante Samuel.
Any player that chooses to play opposite bailey is commiting career suicide. with the numbers asante put up this year, it would be a bad move for him. He has no reason to come here.. he put up 10 INTs, and he wants #1 corner money. if he wants to come here, sweet, but we would have to pay him a lot, and he would get picked on a lot more, and his play would diminish with bailey on the other side.

Id love to have him.. it just wouldnt be a good move on his part
asante samuel will end up costing far more than we can really pay a #2 corner. we should be looking to target some of the second tier guys, randall cool, nick harper, whoever we can get for a lower contract. i believe that foxworth can be a solid #2 and, honestly, i'd like to see paymah get a chance at nickel. i sort of believe in grabbing a 6th round guy (assuming there is not outstanding value at the position in the 3rd or 5th round) and signing a couple of UDFAs to fight it out in training camp.

personally i'd love a shot at a guy like ike walt harris, or at least someone who plays like him... i miss lenny walls, some may not want him back in dever, but you cant deny the fact that with him being that big, we have two advantages at the CB spot
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Falcons defense end Patrick Kerney, who will be an unrestricted free agent in March, has said publicly the Falcons retaining Johnson would be one of the factors he would consider before re-signing in Atlanta.

The Broncos hiring Johnson could give them a chance in free agency at Kerney at what is a need position for the team.
That could be an even bigger hire, if he gets Kerney to follow him.
wow, great catch. tell me about kerney? is he still worth the money it would take to sign him? i don't recall hearing you guys talk about him much, but i may have just skimmed past it.

He is a classic high motor, relentless worker. Our Atlanta 49ers' coaching staff, compared his work ethic to Jerry Rice. He has been very durable, well, at least until this year. This year he was hurt all year. He is also aging, just turned thirty. He is two years removed from a thirteen sack, pro bowl season.
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word... i like it. and with injury history he might be a bit cheaper...
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Any chance we do something like draft a kicker (think Crosby from CU), as we know Elam is not getting any younger? He also kicks off on a regular basis.
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Any chance we do something like draft a kicker (think Crosby from CU), as we know Elam is not getting any younger? He also kicks off on a regular basis.
I would love for him to come... espeically to stay up in altitude. Problem is that this guy is not going past the second round. With all of our needs, do we really want to use that high of a pick on him?
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With the average NFL game being decided by under 3 points, can you afford not to take him?
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what has jason elam done to show that he's not capable of being our kicker for another two years? granted he won't hit another 63 yarder, but realistically, who will?

it would be a monumental mistake to take crosby for this team. if i thought he'd be there in the 7th i'd love it, but we have far bigger needs that will be problems in the next two years to take a back-up kicker.

now, were he a *punter* it might be worth discussing.
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With the average NFL game being decided by under 3 points, can you afford not to take him?
with elam capable of hitting almost automatic with a good snap from under 45 yards , i'd say you can wait. I would rather wait for Sam Swank to come out in 2 years. Besides, I think Crosby's leg is overrated. His career long (in colorado, mind you, is 60.) thats no better than 58 any other place. Plus he kicks like 22.2% from past 50 (he went 2-9) his accuracy is overrated, he has gone down in productivity every year and accuracy since his sophmore year, while mind you hasn't had that many more 50 yard attempts this year.
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good points re: kicker!

I still go back to RB and Safety - I know our needs are for both sides of the line but I am not certain that Shanahan will not take a RB in 1st or 2nd round - depending upon who is available obviously!
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with elam capable of hitting almost automatic with a good snap from under 45 yards , i'd say you can wait. I would rather wait for Sam Swank to come out in 2 years. Besides, I think Crosby's leg is overrated. His career long (in colorado, mind you, is 60.) thats no better than 58 any other place. Plus he kicks like 22.2% from past 50 (he went 2-9) his accuracy is overrated, he has gone down in productivity every year and accuracy since his sophmore year, while mind you hasn't had that many more 50 yard attempts this year.
He's kicked it from 58 at miami... that's pretty impressive. His accuracy isn't as great, but it's only the leg that really counts. Accuracy you can fix... sheer leg power is something you can't. Btw, ppl say that he has hit 70+ yarders in practice. ANYWAY. He's still to expensive to get in the early rounds. We have greater needs. If he fell to round 4 tho, I would definitely take him as he would be an absolute steal there, but he's not going past the 2nd.. mark my words.
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I have seen him kick from 70 yards during pregame and some of the CU players tell me that he makes 2 of 5 from that distance with regularity at the end of practice. He also kicks into the endzone on kickoff from NFL distance - something we do not do with any consistency.

He will be gone by 2nd round and someone will have a kicker for 10 years like denver with Elam.

So people what do we do in the first 3 rounds - I still think Bowlen will use the Darrent Williams death to petition for a compensatory pick at end of 3rd round - so what do we do?

As far as RB's I think Peterson and Lynch will obviously be gone but Bush and Antonio Pittman (one) will be available however, Adam Carriker and Amobi Okoye (and the DE from Hawaii whose name excapes me at the moment) for defense or, Tony Ugoh, Levi Brown or Marshal Yanda one of them will be available for offense if you think line is our first round choice? Thoughts anyone?
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Just started reading up bio's on positions the Broncos are going to need. And while a stud RB sounds great, I don't see one without a injury question being there at 21. And I don't hate Mike Bell. Think he played well as a rookie and really runs hard and could be an Olandis Gary type for us once next year.

Therefore, I really like Victor Abiamiri-DE or Amobi Okoye-DT in the first.
One, I think at least one of the two will be there, and two they get after the QB.
Victor a pass rush guy, but unlike Elvis he has the size to be an everydown player, where a lot of other DE's rated late first rounders seem to have size "tweener" or "specialist" issues.
Amobi Okoye is the double team guy Warren is when he feels like it. And creates havoc collapsing the pocket on passing downs.

I am not a fan of this specialist garbage. Bring in the pass rush specialist on 3rd down to watch a draw go for 15 yards, and bring in the run stoppers on first down to watch Manning sit in the pocket for 6 seconds? I want a do it all every down, and leave Elvis as are lone specialist.

Also, I like what breifly saw of Kolby Smith-RB. And MAN I love what I read. Good size and frame, explodes through the hole, tough, physical runs hard, lacks top speed, didn't carry the load in college... does this not sound a little like the Terrell Davis bio when he was coming out? Plus he can block and catch. I like it. When I am GM, I am taking DE/DT early and snagging this guy in the 3rd / 4th round.

Plus anyone know about the Safety on Notre Dame who also returns punts? Is he just a junior? Didn't see his name anywhere...
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^^^ zbikowski? wouldn't touch him with oakland's ten foot pole. dude is, as far as i've seen, a liability in pass coverage and isn't really all that great in run support. regardless, last i hear he hadn't declared.
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No, he stayed.

I think we should go DL in the first two rounds, DT, then DE, unless some great DE prospect falls to us.
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I really don't know about our facination with Rick Dennison. Other than the fact that he's a former player, he's done nothing to prove me that he's been doing good enough job to continue making promotions almost every year(Special team coach - Offensive Line coach - Offensive Coordinator).

I understand Heimerdinger is still in charge of offence and calling plays, but I'd like someone younger that we can groom for the future(like, Kubiak) who can eventually replace Shanahan, when he decides to retire.
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i thought dennison did a good job with our special teams, and that the year he moved to offensive line was one of our first big problems years (iirc, this also coincided with the loss of burns). i could be wrong, statistically.
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I was looking at scotts mock draft, and read the bio on quintin moses, and it scares me to death, the last thing we need is ANOTHER extremly talented but underachieving defensive linemen. We already have Brown, Ekuban, Lang, and Warren.

But as i continued i noticed jarvas Moss, and remember him blocking something like 2 or 3 field goals in one game!!!

Could anyone tell me if he would be a good fit here in denver? or was that one game a fluke...
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Here's my view updated view. Lynch has 2-3 years left in him, i am 75% sure he has expressed he isnt losing any fire or any of his game. ferguson, our other safety, is a liability, and we have sam brandon and curome cox as well as hamza abdullah. i think shanahan (unfortuatly gets attached to players like nick) wants to keep ferguson and cox and abdullah and battle them for the job (and possibly a FA acqusition). But obviously this is a hunch that some of you may not have, so it might be tough to understand. I think that the most sensible pick right now would be at DT.. Lang and Ekuban, and dumervil are average players, so i think shanahan ends up adressing our Amobi Okoye please
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I was looking at scotts mock draft, and read the bio on quintin moses, and it scares me to death, the last thing we need is ANOTHER extremly talented but underachieving defensive linemen. We already have Brown, Ekuban, Lang, and Warren.

But as i continued i noticed jarvas Moss, and remember him blocking something like 2 or 3 field goals in one game!!!

Could anyone tell me if he would be a good fit here in denver? or was that one game a fluke...
Don't worry, it's only a matter of time till we get Kamerion Wimbley


Jarvis dominated the NC game, he looks good. Only problem:There doesn't seem to be as many good DT prospects in the mid-late second, as there will be DE prospects. I think a combo of Tyler/Okoye and Crowder/other 2nd round DE, is better than Moss/Woodley/Moses and Harrell or Brown. Maybe if we can trade into early 2nd, one of the first round caliber DTs will be there.
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The Broncos have signed the following street free agents to contracts for 2007:

QB Darrell *******
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TE Teyo Johnson
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I would have like a little more continuity for Scheffler.

I agree that DE has more depth (especially outside of first round) than DT however, realize that DT is stastically the biggest bust position.

I go back to the San Fran game when Shanahan would not put Tatum in, and only played Mike Bell. Do you really think that Shanahan will go into the season with Mike as our starter - I do not.

I think Shanahan sees what Maroney is doing in NE and says "what if I had not been able to draft up for Cutler" . . . ? And then he looks at who NE is playing and sees Addai, another rookie RB.

I think he suprises us all with a stud RB in round 1 and then addresses DE with 2nd round, depending upon what is available when he picks.
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I would have like a little more continuity for Scheffler.

I agree that DE has more depth (especially outside of first round) than DT however, realize that DT is stastically the biggest bust position.

I go back to the San Fran game when Shanahan would not put Tatum in, and only played Mike Bell. Do you really think that Shanahan will go into the season with Mike as our starter - I do not.

I think Shanahan sees what Maroney is doing in NE and says "what if I had not been able to draft up for Cutler" . . . ? And then he looks at who NE is playing and sees Addai, another rookie RB.

I think he suprises us all with a stud RB in round 1 and then addresses DE with 2nd round, depending upon what is available when he picks.
I disagree. I think Shanny likes Mike Bell and so do I. He's had some consistency problems, but hey, he was a rookie after all. He's played great in several games, and as for Tatum, even w/injuries and inconsistencies, he rushed for over 1000 yards. RB is not the most PRESSING issue. THen again, Shanny doesn't like drafting DLine in the first round so you may be right altho I hate the idea.

If he really wants a stud RB who would fit well w/us, wait for next year to get either Slaton or McFadden.
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i agree there. so far this year's running back class doesn't really do it for me. i've been persuaded a bit on lynch, but it just doesn't scream great to me.

then again, tatum needs to be gone. he's effective as a situational guy, but now we can't count on him to hang onto the ball in those situations. screw it.

i also am not a big fan of mike as a starter. he never wowed me. i think someone said olandis gary here, and while gary did run for 1100ish yards, is that really a great contribution to our offense? 70 yards per game just isn't really getting it done. *shrug*

seems like we're sort of screwed either way. i guess in the end, if we can't grab one of the top two and no one else is seriously impressive in the near future, i'd just as soon address a bunch of these other needs this year, then use picks asammo next year to make a big jump for a stud (like the aforementioned mcfadden and slaton).
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