Denver Broncos Discussion

[Jimmy]

Originally Posted by njx9

see, the return bit scares me. it's the only reason he took deltha and middlebrooks so high.

oh god, i forgot about middlebrooks...

i would least be happy with a guy that runs decent routes and can return...

(that is not Ginn)

Originally Posted by Jimmy

i would least be happy with a guy that runs decent routes and can return...

Nice thing about that is it would kill two birds with one stone - addressing our horrible KR situation and depth at WR to compensate for Rod Smith's decline.

This is something the Broncos can look at in the 3rd round IMO.

[njx9]

i agree. if you're not going to get CJ, i like the mid-draft talent as better value. guys like williams and higgins would work for me (if they're around in the 2nd or early 3rd), assuming DL is addressed in the first.

[Titans10]

damn u guys are lucky....u defintaly have the quarterback of your future

found this on the broncos website

FINAL ANALYSIS:Cutler became the first rookie in NFL history with multiple touchdown passes in each of his first four games … Had the fifth-highest passer rating of quarterbacks who had at least 125 passes (25.0 per game) from Dec. 1 onward; his 88.5 rating was behind only Indianapolis’ Peyton Manning (102.6), St. Louis’ Marc Bulger (93.4), New Orleans’ Drew Brees (91.8) and New England’s Tom Brady (90.1) … Cutler’s nine touchdown passes in December were third in the league behind Bulger and Manning, who each fired 10; his touchdown percentage (6.6 percent) was second in the league among quarterbacks to start all five games in December, behind only Atlanta’s Michael Vick … His completion percentage (59.1), touchdown percentage and passer rating rank first all-time among Broncos rookies; his yardage per attempt places him second in team rookie annals.



http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mason/...ht-jay-cutler/

[boppool]

"David Carr will be traded, and Jake Plummer will be the Texans quarterback next season. Plummer will compete with Sage Rosenfels and a rookie Gary Kubiak wants to develop."
-- Houston Chronicle
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ml?eref=si_nfl

Just saw this article and I'm not sure how reliable this information is, but sounds pretty good, especially if we can get a decent draft pick for Jake.(based on performance?)

If Houston do pick up Jake, I seriously hope they protect him better than they did Carr. Carr has put up pretty decent numbers considering his swiss-cheese OL - I hope he gets a chance elsewhere to show what he can do with some protection.

... and yes, we'll happily take some of Houston's picks in return for Jake... they'd just waste them anyway

[mattrob]

If we do trade Jake, I think the only way we'll get value from him is to package him with our pick(s) to move up. If we could trade our 1, 2, and Plummer for Houston's 1, or our 2nd and Plummer for Houston's 2, we'd be getting high-3rd round value for him, and I really don't think either of those trades are too far off (we may have to throw in a late rounder to make it work, but it's still a trade in our favor). If Jake's traded straight-up for a pick, I don't think we get higher than a 4th.

[M]

Jake - I think if we get rid of him it will be a three way trade (possibly with the Texans Chicago Minn or Washington). I think it will be a package trade.

Anybody else not disappointed that San Diego has a tougher schedule next year and lost both their co-ordinators and Marty is in his last year unless he wins superbowl. They have so much talent I will take every advantage I can get.

Most people on this site agree no CB with first round pick - so who do you want us to take in the first two rounds?

Alan Branch could fall with bad combine numbers - he is slow but very strong, especially with Amobi Okoye clearly the first DT to be taken otherwise it could be Lynch or who ever falls from DE Gaines Adams, Adam Carriker, Jamaal Anderson (if any). Personally I would be very happy if Reggie Nelson somehow fell to us (even though I think he will be as possibley the first Safety taken around the 10 - 15 spot.

Second round I could see us taking Bush as a big bruising back with great vision (he would work well with Tatum for a change of pace) or I will just keep looking for Brandon Meriweather to fall for character issues but Cincy will pick him up ahead of us in 2nd.

Ultimately we will know more after the combine.

[Jimmy]

i really dont care what we do with plummer, as long as we move on draft day, i dont like sitting at that #21

[mattrob]

Originally Posted by M

Alan Branch could fall with bad combine numbers - he is slow but very strong, especially with Amobi Okoye clearly the first DT to be taken otherwise it could be Lynch or who ever falls from DE Gaines Adams, Adam Carriker, Jamaal Anderson (if any). Personally I would be very happy if Reggie Nelson somehow fell to us (even though I think he will be as possibley the first Safety taken around the 10 - 15 spot.

Second round I could see us taking Bush as a big bruising back with great vision (he would work well with Tatum for a change of pace) or I will just keep looking for Brandon Meriweather to fall for character issues but Cincy will pick him up ahead of us in 2nd.

Ultimately we will know more after the combine.

Actually, Branch is the consenous #1 DT at this point. He's projected to go in the 3-7 range, where Okoye probably goes 10-12. That is subject to change based on Combine/interviews, though. Carriker is the only one who realistically has a shot at falling to 21, and I'd love to have him there. As for Bush, I'll pass. The injury is just healing too slowly and I'm not a fan of the huge backs.

[mattrob]

Originally Posted by Jimmy

i really dont care what we do with plummer, as long as we move on draft day, i dont like sitting at that #21

Agreed. I wouldn't mind moving up 5 or 6 spots and adding an impact player or moving out of the first altogether, either to add more 2nd-3rd rounders or to pick up a #1 next year.

[elway777]

Bump...

what should we do on draft day

[M]

Originally Posted by ripdw27

what should we do on draft day

Drink heavily and hope to not get to upset with either who we picked, or who we could have picked that was still available when we picked.

Unfortunately, a player several of us had talked about hoping he would go undrafted was Romonce Taylor, and he was just invited to the Combine. He will be taken on the second day (depending upon his combine workout so know more in a few weeks) and will be a special teams starter right away. I think he will be solid PR/KR player, something we could use in a Broncos uniform - especially if we could pick him up as an undrafted FA (Mike Bell) or in 6th round.

I think this is the year the Broncos take one of the following three "character" issue guys:

Brandon Meriweather - steal if made it to 3rd round
Marcus Thomas - free fall to 4th/5th round -1st round talent?
Romonce Taylor - combine will dictate


What do you think about Ramonce Taylor? I know he has a shady history but overall I think this guy is a supreme talent. Where do you see him going in the draft?

Nick H. from Champaign, Illinois

Prior to his standout performances in not one but two post-season all-star games I said that there was little or no chance that Taylor would be drafted due to his well-documented off-the-field troubles. However, Taylor has really caught the eyes of scouts and even garnered an invite to the Scouting Combine so he could be selected late or at the very least be brought into an NFL camp and given an opportunity. Taylor doesn't have a lot of experience and what exactly his best role will be (Running back? 3rd down back? Wide receiver? Return man?) is still unknown but he has great speed and is a dynamic threat so that will give him a chance. In short Taylor has gone from off the radar to an interesting prospect.
- Scott Wright, NFL Draft Countdown

Originally Posted by M

I think this is the year the Broncos take one of the following three "character" issue guys:

Brandon Meriweather - steal if made it to 3rd round
Marcus Thomas - free fall to 4th/5th round -1st round talent?
Romonce Taylor - combine will dictate

Meriweather is a 1st round talent, but with the 'character' knocks and deep pool of safeties available, he will probably fall. In terms of talent, he'd be a steal if we could pick him up in the 2nd round. As for his 'character', well, I'd prefer aggressive/fiery over lazy/disinterested any day of the week.

Originally Posted by mattrob

Actually, Branch is the consenous #1 DT at this point. He's projected to go in the 3-7 range, where Okoye probably goes 10-12. That is subject to change based on Combine/interviews, though. Carriker is the only one who realistically has a shot at falling to 21

Yeah, Branch will go way, way up there. He's a beast, even if he's not lightning quick. In a way, he's exactly what we need - an stud interior guy with the power to force other teams to double him, giving our DEs/LBs a chance to make plays.

A lots of teams are looking for help on the DL, so we'll be lucky to get a shot at one of the legit 1st rounders at 21. I'm hoping the combine workouts will expand the pool a little by boosting the stock of guys like Jarvis Moss, Charles Johnson and Victor Abiamiri.

If I had a choice, we'd get a blue chip DT in the first round and pick up a speedy rush DE in the 2nd or 3rd. However, without a major trade-up this simply won't happen.

[mancl]

I'm a Packer fan checking on speculation that is floating around the Packer boards. The speculation is that there will be some sort of Tatum Bell for DE KGB deal made- there may be more involved than that but that is the essence of the deal. Your comments

[njx9]

i don't buy it. KGB adds nothing to our defense that we don't already have.

[mattrob]

KGB is a pass-rush specialist who hasn't produced a whole lot over the last 3 years. I'd rather just go with Dumerville. Bell for a 3rd sounds good, though.

[mattrob]

KGB is a pass-rush specialist who hasn't produced a whole lot over the last 3 years. I'd rather just go with Dumerville. Bell for a 3rd sounds good, though.

[njx9]

exactly. i don't think he would beat out ekuban or lang, and dumervil played better last season. KGB and a decent draft pick wouldn't be ugly (i certainly wouldn't mind him competing for a rotation spot), but a straight up deal would be uncharacteristically poor value for denver.

[mattrob]

KGB and a conditional 3rd next year wouldn't be bad. I think he's got something left, but we really need everydown players on the line.

[mattrob]

Scott has us getting Johnson and Weddle in his newest mock. I don't think I can argue with that at all.

[M]

Tell this to Houston.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insid..._kc&id=2763865

[Modano]

What do you guys think of Mike Bell? Any chance that he will be starting next year?