Denver Broncos Discussion - Page 37

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 12-03-2008, 12:31 PM

Well I think we need a good RB just to become a balanced team. I mean, let's face it, Cutler isn't Brady(yet, lol), and Marshall isn't Moss(yet). So throwing up and down the field all day won't be so successful. Yes, Hillis has been solid for a couple of games, but I really doubt he'll keep that up. Good FB though, maybe a 3rd down guy too. I think we should look at RB at some point in the first 3 rounds. First round should be defense. I'm thinking Rey Mauluga, Brandon Spikes, Taylor Mays or William Moore. If they're all gone, we can take RB there. If one of them is still there, we take them, and the next round take the other position if there is value there. If not, RB.

CT Bronco Fan · 12-04-2008, 04:11 AM

I don't agree, I think Hillis can be our feature back. If we can run the ball 25 -30 times a game, That will put us in good shape to win. It seems the games we can actually get the running game going somewhat, are when we tend to win convincingly. Without the run game, we get games like @KC, and Oakland at home.

What we really need some better playmakers on our defense. practically every position on the defense could be a first round need in the off season. And I think as you see with Hillis this year, there really isn't a big need to spend a high pick on a RB, Torain was doing amazing in the one game he was finally healthy, sadly he ended up getting hurt again. It would really shock me if our first 3 or 4 picks weren't defense in the draft this year.

Our defense really needs a safety . . . or two, Manuel just isn't going to cut it. I thought that Barrett looked halfway decent against the Jets, hopefully if he can develop we can get a top strong saftey and get manuel the hell outta there.

I also think we need a better MLB and SLB. Nate Webster really isn't all that good. I am really hoping a good LB or two drops like perhaps Cushing Laurinaitis or Maualuga. If one of them time bad, they could drop. The USC guys might be a little slower then Shanny likes, but they are bad bad men, and would look great in orange and blue.

I even think that CB might become a day one need as well, if day one was still 3 rounds. Champ will be 31, Bly will be 32. Our other CB's are Paymah Bell and Jack Williams.

Diehard · 12-04-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CT Bronco Fan

I don't agree, I think Hillis can be our feature back. If we can run the ball 25 -30 times a game

I'm not sure about him as a "feature", but in rotation with another decent back I think we'd be alright.

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I also think we need a better MLB and SLB. Nate Webster really isn't all that good. I am really hoping a good LB or two drops like perhaps Cushing Laurinaitis or Maualuga.

Absolutely... part of the reason our rookies (Larsen, Woodyard) look promising is because some of our starters are garbage.

Personally, I like Laurinaitis in this scheme. He has good instincts, can cover well and manages to keep his helmet on... pretty much making him the AntiWebster.

As for SLB, Winborn is a great athlete but has zero smarts / discipline and Boss Bailey is a natural fit for the IR. I'd like to see Woodyard take over this spot - I like the way he plays and it would be a damn shame (and a waste of talent) for him to return to his role as backup WLB.

jth1331 · 12-05-2008, 12:29 AM

Honestly, the only LB I would like to see us pick is Spikes. Laurinaitis I think is way overrated and won't do much in our system. Maualuga is a bit better, but I'm iffy spending a 1st round pick on him.

And Hillis as a feature back, I don't think he can be a feature back for a whole year. I want a playmaker at RB, essentially a Terrell Davis/Clinton Portis. A guy who can eat up 5 yards a pop and have the threat to break for an 80 yard TD run. I don't think we have anyone on our roster right now that could do that. If we can get a playmaker threat at RB in round 1, why not?

Diehard · 12-05-2008, 01:16 AM

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If we can get a playmaker threat at RB in round 1, why not?

Because our defense sucks?

Mind you, since it's pretty obvious Shanahan doesn't have a ******* clue when it comes to drafting defensive players, perhaps we're better off going offense early then roll the dice on guys for the D in later rounds / UFA.

jth1331 · 12-05-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Diehard

Because our defense sucks?

Mind you, since it's pretty obvious Shanahan doesn't have a ******* clue when it comes to drafting defensive players, perhaps we're better off going offense early then roll the dice on guys for the D in later rounds / UFA.

You don't draft solely on need, you need to also take into account best player available. If Mays, Moore, Spikes, and Meleauga are all taken by our pick and Moreno is available, I think we would be stupid to pass him up.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 12-06-2008, 12:02 AM

Let's draft TEBOW!

Namy · 12-08-2008, 01:31 AM

Caught the second half of the game. I can't believe how close that game was. Worries me A LOT. Oakland and KC should not be difficult home games. Anyways, Cutler did show the poise to rally us to victory.

Questions: Word on when Champ is coming back (hopefully next week)? And what is the update on Hillis? I hope it's not serious, that guy has good vision and he's just a very reliable all-purpose back.

As for our draft, I hope we don't get William Moore. I think he's rather overrated. I honestly don't know how he's rated this high according to Scott based on what I've seen of him this season. I feel like Taylor Mays would be a MUCH better safety. I also think Cushing, Maualuga of USC would really help us at LB. And Hardy and Orakpo would be great fits as well. Other than them though, I really have little preference on who we can realistically pick. As long as it's not QB, WR, or TE.

bored of education · 12-08-2008, 09:53 AM

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woodyard plays better than DJ. tell me i'm wrong.

I won't. I am a huge fan of WW. He is one of the bright spots on that defense.

Diehard · 12-08-2008, 12:31 PM

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woodyard plays better than DJ. tell me i'm wrong.

It's hard to deny... and he's just a rookie, who will improve with experience.

It will be interesting to see what happens. DJ -> SLB is the obvious move, but DJ pretty much said he hates that spot.

CT Bronco Fan · 12-08-2008, 01:05 PM

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woodyard plays better than DJ. tell me i'm wrong.

You're right.

Woodyard is a beast. While I love DJ, I think it might be time to move him to sam or mike.

diabsoule · 12-08-2008, 03:45 PM

Peyton Hillis is out for the season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3754789

rascal · 12-08-2008, 05:31 PM

Move DJ to MLB, WW at WLB, and Winborn or Webster @ SLB.

Don't know about the rest of you but I was very impressed with Barrett's play yesterday. I thought he played an incredible game for his second start of the year against the premiere TE in the league. Pretty much had him on his own the entire game and had excellent coverage.

Sucks about Hillis.

Shon Greene in round 2 next year?

jth1331 · 12-09-2008, 12:34 AM

People seem to forget DJ was playing pretty gosh darn good for us before he got hurt on the weakside.
I like what I see from Woodyard though.
Personally, DJ is a terrible MLB. I don't want to see him there. Move him to strongside if you move him. Woodyard is way too small to be moved anywhere else.
I do hope we don't go back to a fricken 3-4 defense because we have depth at LB, because we certainly don't have the DL personal to run that defense.
So to sum it up:
Keep Woodyard at WLB
move DJ to SLB
keep Larsen at MLB
Start freakin Barrett

See how things play out from there.

Diehard · 12-09-2008, 04:23 PM

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move DJ to SLB

That's a problem, since he made it pretty clear he doesn't like the strong side. As njx9 said, moving him there is pretty much saying that he's done in Denver.

rascal · 12-10-2008, 03:58 PM

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People seem to forget DJ was playing pretty gosh darn good for us before he got hurt on the weakside.
I like what I see from Woodyard though.
Personally, DJ is a terrible MLB. I don't want to see him there. Move him to strongside if you move him. Woodyard is way too small to be moved anywhere else.
I do hope we don't go back to a fricken 3-4 defense because we have depth at LB, because we certainly don't have the DL personal to run that defense.
So to sum it up:
Keep Woodyard at WLB
move DJ to SLB
keep Larsen at MLB
Start freakin Barrett

See how things play out from there.

Larsen was a fan favorite but his play at MLB wasn't anything real great. Hence the reason he was moved back to FB before Hillis was even injured.

I think the best 3 LBs we can put out on the field are DJ, WW, and either Winborn or Webster.

diabsoule · 12-11-2008, 04:16 AM

What do you think the chances are of trading DJ Williams?

jth1331 · 12-11-2008, 10:25 AM

Graham was signed for 5 years I think.
And it isn't about just fielding the best LB's, they have to be able to play the position. And with that Woodyard at weakside, DJ at strongside is the best with Larsen at MLB IMO.

Diehard · 12-11-2008, 11:18 AM

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Graham was signed for 5 years I think.
And it isn't about just fielding the best LB's, they have to be able to play the position. And with that Woodyard at weakside, DJ at strongside is the best with Larsen at MLB IMO.

Switch Larsen for Brandon Spikes and we'd be looking good.

CT Bronco Fan · 12-11-2008, 03:08 PM

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What do you think the chances are of trading DJ Williams?

In reality, I doubt it. In a Forum Mock, likely.

Namy · 12-11-2008, 04:13 PM

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and then we "only" have to get DTs, DEs who can consistently rush (since we'll still refuse to blitz because shanahan's an idiot) and a couple of safeties who have actually played football before.

i'm not really that pessimistic. i think moss looked like he could at least be average. i think dumervil could be better if we didn't have to play him every single down. and i still largely like marcus thomas, although i don't know why.

i wonder if we could trade washington a 3rd and t. bell for landry and portis.

Hmm, I think adding Paymah will put this trade over the top!

Diehard · 12-11-2008, 04:23 PM

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and then we "only" have to get DTs, DEs who can consistently rush (since we'll still refuse to blitz because shanahan's an idiot) and a couple of safeties who have actually played football before.

LOL, yeah, well at least we'd have the LB corps solidified...

re: the DL - I agree, it needs 2 quality, every-down players

re: blitzing - in Shanahan's defense, our LB and S can't blitz worth a damn anyway... that's partly why I like Spikes

re: S - no question, we've got a craptastic group of safeties

I think we can draft just about any defensive position other than WLB and get an upgrade. That should give Shanahan plenty of freedom to look for value in the draft. Of course, he won't be able to resist offense... RB, OL and something else (I get the funny feeling it might be TE).

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 12-11-2008, 04:31 PM

I think Taylor Mays is who we need to grab. Even though Dre Bly isn't great, I think putting him in one on one on his side, with Champ one on one on the other along with Mays playing centerfield will make us tough to beat through the air. Then we can bring Lynch back, stack the box with 8 dudes and blitz blitz blitz blitz blitz!

CT Bronco Fan · 12-11-2008, 11:05 PM

Interested note, Cory Boyd, will be the starter this Sunday against Carolina. Boyd was just signed off the practice squad after Hillis went to IR

Diehard · 12-12-2008, 12:37 AM

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Interested note, Cory Boyd, will be the starter this Sunday against Carolina. Boyd was just signed off the practice squad after Hillis went to IR

He's back like cooked crack...

Attitude aside, he looked pretty good at SC. Runs with power, can catch the ball, blocks pretty well. The start of his NFL career was, well, "inauspicious"... but he has a chance now to turn things around.