Denver Broncos Discussion

[Diehard]

Originally Posted by njx9

was moreno actually good, or were the chiefs just playing the pass all game?

The Chiefs were focusing on stopping Orton, no question. However, the line opened up some nice holes and Moreno did good damage. Too bad McD is a ******* **** and didn't stick with Moreno to finish the game.

[njx9]

i hope he keeps it up. i really, really want to be wrong about the guy, and not just because he's on denver. i really like the way he pops right back up after every hit, and gets back to the huddle for the next play. i don't see him spending any time jawing with the other team or being a diva with his own teammates. he's exactly the kind of guy i want to succeed.

ugh. if only mcidiot hadn't taken him fricking 12th.

[Diehard]

Originally Posted by njx9

ugh. if only mcidiot hadn't taken him fricking 12th.

Yeah, that wasn't a strong pick, but really, none were in 2009. McD was not ready for the draft and it showed. IIRC they were worried about what SD would do... and considering that SD made a big move up in the following draft to get a RB, they might've been right.

Really, this all comes back to turning over too much control to McD before he'd established his credibility. A stronger GM over the last 2 seasons would've actually helped both the team and McD by letting him narrow his focus. Same kind of logic holds true with the coordinator spots. The problem was McD didn't want any veteran voices who could challenge him (e.g. Goodmans, Nolan), which is the folly/arrogance of youth. He's paying for that now.

[Jimmy]

Originally Posted by njx9

was moreno actually good, or were the chiefs just playing the pass all game?

On his two runs of over 20 yards, you could have picked up 15.

On another note. Orton was horrific. 9-28. No tier 2 quarterback does that. Ever.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by Jimmy

On his two runs of over 20 yards, you could have picked up 15.

to be fair, i think i'm still about as fast as moreno is.

[Diehard]

Originally Posted by njx9

to be fair, i think i'm still about as fast as moreno is.

It seems to me the offensive system could make excellent use of both a bulldozer (LenDale White when he returns?) and a fast/quick back (ala Sproles, Woodhead). Those complementary running styles can be an effective change of pace or allow you to key in on weaknesses in the defense.

For a guy who really likes running lots of different packages and making heavy use of substitution, the insistence on using vanilla RB's is somewhat puzzling.

[Jimmy]

Christmas just came 3 weeks early.

[jCut]

Addition by subtraction. I love it.

[Cunningham]

schefter mentioned leslie frazier as a possibility. i'd be happy with that, as long as we pair him with a competent gm.

thinking about the big names out there, most of them either aren't appealing or would be unlikely to want the job

[Diehard]

IMO, the new coaching staff will have ties to the Shanahan-era Broncos. Kubiak, Calhoun from Air Force, Dennison, hell maybe even Wade Phillips as DC.

Expect the return of the ZBS as the core of our offensive philosophy.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssss.

[njx9]

i really wouldn't mind wade coming back as DC.

not sure i want anything to do with kubes.

and really, as long as we sign neither weis nor childress, our HC situation can't really get worse.

[MidwayMonster31]

I see you guys are having fun.
As for coaches, Brian Schottenheimer might work. The Denver native can maintain a zone blocking scheme that they had before, as well as do a good job with Tebow, since he's really all you got.
As for the defense, Bob Sutton is an assistant with the Jets, he can work. The defense was a mess before McDaniels got there, while they have a few pieces, I think they should stay with a 3-4. They can reload the defensive line this year.

[njx9]

speaking of schottenheimers... i really wouldn't mind marty for a couple of years.

[Diehard]

According to Vic Lombardi, Elway and Bowlen are having a power dinner tonight. Elway to join the organization in some capacity?

Certainly ties in nicely to the rumors that we are going back to our "roots"...

[njx9]

as much as i love john. i really hope bowlen's not senile enough to make him our coach.

[Diehard]

Originally Posted by njx9

as much as i love john. i really hope bowlen's not senile enough to make him our coach.

No, I suspect he'd be an advisor at the top level. Work with the GM on the big picture. If he rejoins the team, we'll see additional changes in the FO.

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by njx9

i really wouldn't mind wade coming back as DC.

not sure i want anything to do with kubes.

and really, as long as we sign neither weis nor childress, our HC situation can't really get worse.

He'd be a good choice honestly. Alot of Cowboy fans were happy with his job as strictly the DC, he does some great things with the 3-4 and if that is his primary focus he'll do a stand up job next season wherever he goes.

[Jimmy]

http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci_16795158

Mike Kiszla just wrote a terrible article... I truly wonder if I'm ever going to take him seriously again.

This thesis was basically that Bowlen is to blame and McDaniels is the scapegoat.

Interesting claims made through the article.

The Broncos forgot how to win before McDaniels arrived.

Yes, we were an 8-8 team. But the goal of the hiring was to improve our team, not disassemble it, just so we could go 3-9.

most startling claim of all:

You can blame McDaniels for drafting Tim Tebow, a first-round player who was declared unready to play for a 3-9 team during the final hours his coach was on the job. There were head-scratching trades, an unhealthy reliance on inexperienced assistant coaches and an obsession with collecting more quarterbacks than any one man could possibly use after dumping Jay Cutler.

But McDaniels didn't create the mess at Broncos headquarters. He threw open the doors for everybody to see there's no authority figure to provide the franchise with perspective or a steady hand during a crisis.

You're right Mike, he didn't start it. He just made it 10 times worse. Is this guy for real?

On top of that, Bowlen, the so called "non existant authority figure", just made two incredibly hard (or easy, depending on the way you look at it) decisions, canned two coaches, all in the spirit of winning.

The Broncos now try to win with a roster closer to the bottom of the league than to the top of it in terms of money expended on talent. When Denver pulled a contract extension for cornerback Champ Bailey off the table at the 11th hour earlier this season, it seemed the accounting ledger had replaced championship rings as the No. 1 priority with this franchise.

How about the fact that now mr. bowlen will be paying 3 head coaches next year, all in the spirit of trying to win some ball games? By that notion, we should just pay all our good players top 5 money for their respective positions. Has the dude ever heard of value relative to age?

Anyways, my only question is: Is Kiszla usually this bad?

[njx9]

all the broncos beat writers suck since schefter left town. i can't remember the last time i read the post and expected to see anything of value about the team.

[Diehard]

@Jimmy - Yeah, that article sucked.

I guess you can blame the Broncos a bit for allowing McD to gain the control that he did. However, that wasn't "forcing too much on him", on the contrary, he was quite actively involved in the office powerplay that resulted in the Goodman boys leaving. McD wanted control and he got it... now he's lying in the bed he made.

Anyway, with Elway coming on board and the comments from Ellis that the new coach won't have as much control, I pretty much expect us to hire a GM type in the very near future.

[Jimmy]

Looks like everyone's suspicions are further confirmed-

"It's not all in my hands. I just know that once I'm a free agent, I can control where I go, and it's about who wants me," Bailey said Tuesday night at a charity event. "Hopefully, the Broncos will want me."

Moot point, Champ. It's not in your hands, but once you become a free agent, it is? Well, you you're not getting the CB money you want right now, so therefore you know you're testing the market by now. You're the one who sat in those meetings and listened to the front office tell you "come back at the end of the season, we'll have some counter propositions"

I rephrased his quote so we get a true sense of what he's trying to say. Read:

"I have the control here. I just know that once I'm a free agent, I can control where I go, because someone's going to shell out the money, and someone's going to want to keep me at my preferred position. It's about who wants to pay me, and ideally, it's a team who can win." Bailey said Tuesday night at a charity event. "I'm gonna say falsely claim that hopefully the Broncos will "want me" because I know they won't pay me top corner money, and this way I won't seem disloyal."

p.s. edit: Bailey just got PAYED on sunday. If he shuts down his man the rest of the season like he shut down Bowe this week, he's 100% gone.

[njx9]

i honestly can't blame bailey or dawkins if they want to gtho. both deserve to go try to find a winner.

[Jimmy]

Originally Posted by njx9

i honestly can't blame bailey or dawkins if they want to gtho. both deserve to go try to find a winner.

100% agreed. I idolized champ as a 15 year old. In any "zomg best cb" debate, I always had his back, albeit in a fuming mindset. I just think it's fairly obvious that he is mincing words, but I guess that's just the p.c. thing to do.

[jCut]

I want Jim Harbaugh to be the coach, Elway as VP of Football Operations and Eric DeCosta from Baltimore as GM. Sounds like a solid structure to me. Kubiak as OC and Wade as DC would also be good fits, IMO.

edit: that might be too much $ for bowlen..