Denver Broncos Discussion - Page 88

bigbluedefense · 02-24-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jCut

Nevis just doesn't do it for me. We need a dominant run-stuffer, and that's why we should target a DT earlier.

run stuffing nose tackles in a 4-3 defense can be had in later rounds. in a 43, you want your Under to be a pass rusher first and foremost.

He can develop into a run stuffer when he puts on more weight and gets some NFL coaching.

I agree though, Nevis needs some work. We'll have a better idea of where guys will fall once the combine comes around. It would not surprise me if you can get Nevis in the 3rd when all the dust settles.

Geno fell to the 4th bc he was strictly a pass rushing DT who was undersized. But those guys thrive in a 4-3.

Diehard · 02-24-2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

run stuffing nose tackles in a 4-3 defense can be had in later rounds. in a 43, you want your Under to be a pass rusher first and foremost.

I'd say an inside pass rusher is right at the top of our needs. Too many times our DL gets stonewalled by the OL on passing downs. Dumervil coming back gives us the outside rush, but having some push inside as well would make it difficult for the QB to step up to avoid Doom.

njx9 · 02-24-2011, 02:50 PM

see, this is why i think we take (i mean, why *i* would take) peterson in the first. i think there are a LOT of guys we could target with those two seconds and third to play upfront.

anyone have thoughts on jamal williams as a run-down guy? he's a big body, but i dunno what his role would be (maybe 'how he would fit in' would be more accurate) in a 43...

Timbathia · 02-24-2011, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

see, this is why i think we take (i mean, why *i* would take) peterson in the first. i think there are a LOT of guys we could target with those two seconds and third to play upfront.

anyone have thoughts on jamal williams as a run-down guy? he's a big body, but i dunno what his role would be (maybe 'how he would fit in' would be more accurate) in a 43...

I would think that Bannan and Williams could split reps as a 4-3 NT. I am not even sure that we need to draft someone this year for that role. Pass rushing DT is the real need, with LB, CB, and S all more important than the run stuffing DT.

jCut · 02-24-2011, 04:41 PM

Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but I don't see Williams making the team. Bannan is the only guy I think is assured of a spot.

Timbathia · 02-24-2011, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jCut

Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but I don't see Williams making the team. Bannan is the only guy I think is assured of a spot.

You may be right, but based on our lack of quality depth it might be worthwhile to keep Williams there for goal-line and obvious running down duties.

jCut · 02-24-2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbathia

You may be right, but based on our lack of quality depth it might be worthwhile to keep Williams there for goal-line and obvious running down duties.

Definitely a good point, but I think we may just cut him, considering he is owed $5 million this year and none of it is guaranteed. He's definitely not worth the money and I don't know if he wants to be part of our rebuilding process in moving to a 43.

Diehard · 02-27-2011, 10:37 AM

Xanders talking about changes in how they are approaching the draft:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_17493183

I'm glad the shortlist approach is gone. It was obvious we reached on some players using that system (e.g. Quinn).

The "speed and athleticism" bit is interesting. MLB, SLB and SS are all in dire need of an upgrade if that is what we are looking for in our back 7.

DBNYDP · 02-27-2011, 12:23 PM

Lately I've been conflicted.
If we drafted Peterson I wouldn't mutilate myself. It would give us a great corner, and that is pretty rare to find.
Especially if we can get a combination of Paea/Nevis/Austin/Wilkerson/Taylor with our 2nd round picks.
I'd keep Williams as a backup NT. He's a solid leader on this team, and should be able to mentor guys on this line. He's also a high character guy so maybe he can make sure that some of the "questionable characters" at defensive tackle learn to behave themselves as professionals.

jCut · 02-27-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Diehard

Xanders talking about changes in how they are approaching the draft:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_17493183

I'm glad the shortlist approach is gone. It was obvious we reached on some players using that system (e.g. Quinn).

The "speed and athleticism" bit is interesting. MLB, SLB and SS are all in dire need of an upgrade if that is what we are looking for in our back 7.

Wow. Interesting read.

I wonder if Woodyard could be a stop-gap at SLB. He definitely has the speed and athleticism. He was obviously miscast as a 34 ILB.

CT Bronco Fan · 02-27-2011, 02:05 PM

The good news is that no matter who we draft at 2, they will be an immediate upgrade.

The bads news is that the good news is pretty pathetic.

I think Carolina goes with Bowers/Quinn, I personally have my eye on Dareus anyways, so that'd be fine by me. Either one of the DL imo.

Diehard · 02-27-2011, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jCut

I wonder if Woodyard could be a stop-gap at SLB. He definitely has the speed and athleticism. He was obviously miscast as a 34 ILB.

Taking on the TE (in the running game and in coverage) is the bread-n-butter of a 4-3 SLB. Woodyard gives up a lot of weight in that matchup... he's only 220 or so.

njx9 · 02-27-2011, 10:07 PM

per this thread (http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/...d.php?t=45990), i really want manny lawson at SLB for us. he sounds like a perfect fit all around, and if pass rushing really is his biggest weakness, i don't think he'll be *that* expensive.

Diehard · 02-27-2011, 11:42 PM

Yes, I think Lawson would work. FA is the right place to be looking for a SLB - reasonable value for money since you aren't overpaying for pass rush and there are some options available this time around (assuming FA happens).

We haven't been able to cover a TE in, well, forever it seems. Would be nice to change that.

Timbathia · 02-27-2011, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Diehard

Yes, I think Lawson would work. FA is the right place to be looking for a SLB - reasonable value for money since you aren't overpaying for pass rush and there are some options available this time around (assuming FA happens).

We haven't been able to cover a TE in, well, forever it seems. Would be nice to change that.

Good - either you or njx get the paperwork moving on this so that as soon as the CBA stuff is sorted out we can get him to Dove Valley. It sounds like a much better option than Mario or Joe.

Diehard · 02-27-2011, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbathia

Good - either you or njx get the paperwork moving on this so that as soon as the CBA stuff is sorted out we can get him to Dove Valley. It sounds like a much better option than Mario or Joe.

I'll get my secretary working on it tomorrow when I get to the office. She'll of course have no ******* idea what I'm talking about. Should be amusing.

Cunningham · 03-01-2011, 11:47 AM

so that patrick peterson is pretty good....

njx9 · 03-01-2011, 01:36 PM

how'd he look in drills? all i can see are the numbers... eye-popping....

njx9 · 03-01-2011, 01:55 PM

i have to be honest, though, i will puke if we take kyle rudolph in the 2nd. i've said ti before, but i can't think of very many *worse* picks we could make.

RaiderNation · 03-01-2011, 01:55 PM

Fairley or Dareus?

Diehard · 03-01-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RaiderNation

Fairley or Dareus?

I think they'd go the more conservative route and pick Dareus.

Cunningham · 03-01-2011, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

how'd he look in drills? all i can see are the numbers... eye-popping....

i didn't see it, but mayock said he looked good for what it's worth

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 03-01-2011, 06:28 PM

I want PP really bad now.

njx9 · 03-01-2011, 07:37 PM

to revamp what i said in the other thread, if we go DT in the first, then i wouldn't mind going with rashad carmichael, jalil brown or, iirc, marcus gilchrist as developmental guys.

Namy · 03-02-2011, 11:37 AM

Reports seem to indicate that Dareus and PP had some of the better showings. Hopefully, we'll target one of these two.

Fairley seemed to be too light. And Bowers' injury is not recovering as quickly as people thought it would. That is scaring me away from drafting him, to be honest.

If we can trade down, I wouldn't mind drafting Von Miller either as he looks like the real deal.