Denver Broncos Discussion - Page 89

Diehard · 03-02-2011, 01:58 PM

Fox on KOA:

http://www.850koa.com/cc-common/medi...=KOA-AM&TRACK=

Said that having the second pick allows them to hit both positional need and get value in terms of talent, and that they have 5-6 guys they like at #2.

Also said the 40 was pretty important in terms of draft stock. Interesting.

Diehard · 03-02-2011, 05:38 PM

Daniel Graham cut:

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-an...e-726aa8a83e20

Qualifying offers for RFA's Woodyard, Harris, Thomas, Vickerson, Prater:

http://twitter.com/johnelway

njx9 · 03-02-2011, 06:03 PM

5-6? dareus, fairley, bowers, quinn... peterson... ???

Namy · 03-02-2011, 08:42 PM

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5-6? dareus, fairley, bowers, quinn... peterson... ???

Perhaps Von Miller?

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 03-02-2011, 09:19 PM

Cam Newton? This is the Broncos after all.

njx9 · 03-02-2011, 11:01 PM

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Perhaps Von Miller?

i still sincerely hope not. there's no value in any position he'd play at #2.

jCut · 03-02-2011, 11:13 PM

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Fairley seemed to be too light.

Huh? He's 291 lbs. That's about average for a 43 UT.

People were first saying he will eat his way out of the league, and now he's too light.

Diehard · 03-03-2011, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by njx9

5-6? dareus, fairley, bowers, quinn... peterson... ???

I wouldn't be surprised if one of Quinn and Fairley isn't on their list. The organization is definitely risk-adverse right now and I could see how the team might be scared off by the off-the-field questions or bust factor.

I think Von Miller is probably on the list. There was a thing in the Denver Post yesterday about DJ as WLB or MLB, with the writer's sense being the organization was learning towards him playing *MLB* based on the talent that was available in the draft and FA. That's pretty much the opposite of what I was thinking, but if it is true, it could be setting things up for potentially bringing in Miller to play a more blitz-focused role on the outside in Allen's defense (which I'm sure will incorporate some of the things he learned from Gregg Williams in NO).

njx9 · 03-03-2011, 12:13 AM

i just see aaron curry written all over him.

meanwhile, DJ is still backpedalling on every play at MLB and making tackles 8 yards down field. which i wish i could blame on scheme, but he's been doing it for like, 5 years.

speaking of, anyone remember mike croel? great rookie season... play tailed off after that... was out of the nfl after like, 6 years? it's odd how similar his career as run to DJ's as of now. (thanks pro-football-reference, for pointing out the statistical similarities)

DBNYDP · 03-03-2011, 12:19 AM

Frankly from what I've seen Von Miller is really nothing more than average maybe slightly above average when it comes to playing in coverage and stopping the run. I think there are going to be 4-3 OLBs as good as him, if not better because of experience such as Foster, Carter, or Wilson in later rounds. What makes him a special player is his pass rushing abilities which I don't so used effectively enough to justify a top pick.
Also I think you'd be replacing D.J with Von Miller is somewhat silly to me. I don't think he is a very good MLB or SLB, but as a WLB I think he is a top 5 WLB. He really used his athleticism well when he played there, and doesn't have to worry as much about shedding blocks/playing against TEs.

Timbathia · 03-03-2011, 02:50 AM

Von Miller seems better suited to a team that will use him in blitz packages. All indications are that we will use our front 4 to get pressure, and not our LBs. I think he will be a very good player, but doesnt seem the ideal impact option for us at #2.

I dont think Quinn can even be in the conversation.

I dont think it matters who we get out of the other 4. Legit arguments for any - it will probably come down to the interviews, so we have no way of knowing who it will be until the draft. We just need to make sure that the second round picks turn into good starters (one of them almost has to be a LBer).

Diehard · 03-03-2011, 09:42 AM

Some prospects we're keeping an eye on according to the DP:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_17522231

* Dareus
* J.J. Watt
* Dontay Moch
* Von Miller
* Patrick Peterson
* Da'Norris Searcy

A bit of a fluff piece but it is interesting to hear we interviewed Moch at the combine. He's fits the bill for "increasing team speed and athleticism". SLB?

njx9 · 03-03-2011, 09:48 AM

seems like moch is a worse fit than miller, unless we want a pure rush down backer... or we think he can be had pretty late.

Diehard · 03-03-2011, 10:23 AM

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seems like moch is a worse fit than miller, unless we want a pure rush down backer... or we think he can be had pretty late.

Agreed. It's curious that the team appears to have an interest in a rushbacker type player despite the comments about moving to a 4-3. Maybe Allen is influencing the defensive scheme than we think? Moch or Miller could be quite effective in 3-3-5 looks where they can come off the edge.

njx9 · 03-03-2011, 12:00 PM

yeah, i'd be much less opposed to miller (though i'd still think we have better options) if that was the thought process for a defense.

Diehard · 03-03-2011, 03:51 PM

Bannan and JWall gone:

http://twitter.com/Denver_Broncos

I knew Williams would be a goner - too old, too much money. Bannan is a little more of a surprise. DL was never a position of strength, but with both Thomas and Vickerson RFA's (and potentially FA's depending on how the CBA shakes out) and now these cuts, we could very well have a complete turnover at DT.

njx9 · 03-03-2011, 04:13 PM

makes dareus seem a lot more likely...

Babylon · 03-03-2011, 04:18 PM

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makes dareus seem a lot more likely...

Allright bigman give me your take on Elway's less than ringing endorsement of Tim Tebow? or is there nothing there.

njx9 · 03-03-2011, 04:19 PM

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Allright bigman give me your take on Elway's less than ringing endorsement of Tim Tebow? or is there nothing there.

is there a link? i haven't seen anything like that (not that it's not true, but i'd be interested in reading it)

Babylon · 03-03-2011, 04:26 PM

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is there a link? i haven't seen anything like that (not that it's not true, but i'd be interested in reading it)

I want to say it was on PFT. It was in the context of Timmy played well at the end of the year but was very raw. I think Elway implied that Orton will be the starter going into the season.

Diehard · 03-03-2011, 04:26 PM

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makes dareus seem a lot more likely...

It certainly does. It would also seem likely that they'll announce a deal with Vickerson and/or Thomas in the near future as well.

jCut · 03-03-2011, 05:43 PM

Wow. 2010's free agency class was a complete bust. Another tally on McD's **** list. I called Williams leaving, but I didn't expect Bannan to be gone.

Chris · 03-03-2011, 09:30 PM

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seems like moch is a worse fit than miller, unless we want a pure rush down backer... or we think he can be had pretty late.

Fox probably seems a lot of similarities between Moch and Everette Brown.

I believe Miller is best suited in a 3-4 and isn't the best fit for our team, because essentially he is the same kind of player as Elvis Dumervil.

An attack style defense requires fast players who swarm to the ball. This team is devoid of quality pass rushers, so there is no surprise that these guys are on our radar.

I would not be surprised at all if Moch is a guy we look for in the second round.

Diehard · 03-03-2011, 10:32 PM

I thought this might happen:

http://twitter.com/Denver_Broncos#

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The Broncos have agreed to terms with defensive lineman Kevin Vickerson on a multi-year contract.

Jimmy · 03-06-2011, 06:52 AM

The Perrish Cox preliminary trial is tomorrow, basically it will determine if the judge thinks there's enough evidence to go forward with the case.

fingers crossed