Who will have the #1 pick in 2008???

JMiah · 05-08-2007, 10:48 AM

Who do you think will end up with the worst record this year in the NFL, thus having the #1 pick in the draft next year (unless you are the Browns, thus the Cowboys get it...)

And... who will they take?

Acreboy · 05-08-2007, 10:51 AM

Texans, McFadden

ricky bobby · 05-08-2007, 10:52 AM

I think the bucs might get it. They are going to be in a rebuilding mode for another year. I have a feeling the redskins will be up there also.

fenikz · 05-08-2007, 10:54 AM

Dolphins, Brohmn

Nightmares Win 6-0 · 05-08-2007, 10:58 AM

with the first selection of the 2008 nfl draft, the miami dolphins select brain brohm, qb, university of louisville...

terribletowel39 · 05-08-2007, 11:15 AM

i think that dallas already has the best end of the deal they made with the browns but it becomes everybodys opinion when the dallas cowboys select #1 overall and pick up mcfadden to team with barber and finally kick out jones.

JoeMontainya · 05-08-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by terribletowel39

i think that dallas already has the best end of the deal they made with the browns but it becomes everybodys opinion when the dallas cowboys select #1 overall and pick up mcfadden to team with barber and finally kick out jones.

How can the Browns honestly have the #1 overall pick next year? We got tons better as a team and our schedule on paper is alot easier?

If Quinn was in the 2008 draft he would have easily been the #1 QB with little arguement. #1 QB's almost allways go #1 overall, and next years draft doesnt appear to be very talented yet. We basically traded away a pick next year that wont be #1 overall, but got #1 overall quality in a player compared to next years draft. And it only cost us a 2nd round pick to get our guy earlier than exspected. We also traded again with the Cowboys to get back into the 2nd round and got a top 3 cb, maybe #1 CB overall if he didnt have concerns.

thebow305 · 05-08-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

Dolphins, Brohmn

Hey, I resent that notion! :(

Cowboys (via Browns)

J-ville might be high up there too.

P-L · 05-08-2007, 11:30 AM

I don't think the Browns will get the #1 pick next year. I just think too many people are caught up in this Jerry Jones / Darren McFadden connection. I could see the Browns picking top 5 again, but I think their record will improve by at least a game or two.

terribletowel39 · 05-08-2007, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeMontainya

How can the Browns honestly have the #1 overall pick next year? We got tons better as a team and our schedule on paper is alot easier?

If Quinn was in the 2008 draft he would have easily been the #1 QB with little arguement. #1 QB's almost allways go #1 overall, and next years draft doesnt appear to be very talented yet. We basically traded away a pick next year that wont be #1 overall, but got #1 overall quality in a player compared to next years draft. And it only cost us a 2nd round pick to get our guy earlier than exspected. We also traded again with the Cowboys to get back into the 2nd round and got a top 3 cb, maybe #1 CB overall if he didnt have concerns.

because you play in the toughest division in football and all the other teams in your division are better than you. and granted the AFC North schedule this year is against mediocre talent, i still believe you won't do very good. no matter who starts you are starting a rookie. Frye is no better than Quinn and Quinn is a rookie, you can't expect him to be Big Ben can you?? :D

terribletowel39 · 05-08-2007, 11:38 AM

what connection does Jones have with McFadden?? I was just thinking that he will be the best prospect and with Jones sucking it up again, that would be who it would pick.

JoeMontainya · 05-08-2007, 11:39 AM

"Frye is no better than Quinn and Quinn is a rookie, you can't expect him to be Big Ben can you?? "

The same Big Ben that still hasnt shown he can be the same player with great leaders like Bettis etc...?

The same Big Ben that threw 23 INT's?

The same Big Ben that is going into his 4rth season and hasnt played a full season yet?

The same Big Ben that critisized Cowher, like he had nothing to do with the teams succees?

Big Ben hasnt thrown more than 18 TD's in a year yet, hes simply a product of a run oriented system. Hes losing team leaders one by one and noone knows if he can even be half the leader manning and Brady are, etc....

Roethleserger played in conservative offenses for the passing game. His first 2 years in the league he threw about 280 passes a year, thats nothin!

When the Steelers unleashed him for 469 attempts last year he got badly exsposed and deffenses learn how his weaknesses effected the game. Hes nothing IMO.

Fact is when the Steelers relied on solid RB's, they won the games. When teams force Ben into throwing, the Steelers more than likly lose.

Acreboy · 05-08-2007, 11:43 AM

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The same Big Ben that threw 23 INT's?

The same Big Ben that still going into his 4rth year as a QB hasnt played a full season?

I'm getting tired of saying that Ben shouldn't have even played 1 snap last season. Cowher refused to sit him.

Why don't you go out, get your head cracked open, then have an emergecy appendectomy and go and try and play like an All-Pro.

terribletowel39 · 05-08-2007, 11:43 AM

yea that one. the one that also in one season got us 15 wins which i don't believe the browns have had in total in the last 5 yrs. that guy. the one that also led us to the superbowl. yea that big ben. the one that led the steelers to a 41-0 shutout against some team back in 05. yea that horrible QB.

JoeMontainya · 05-08-2007, 11:46 AM

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I'm getting tired of saying that Ben shouldn't have even played 1 snap last season. Cowher refused to sit him.

Big Ben was quoted himself as saying he did not want to miss any playing time. It had nothing to do with Cower. Bens apendectomy is the same thing Hines Ward went threw acouple seasons ago and was fine after 2 weeks. The average emergency apendectomy has a max recovery rate of 3-4 weeks, but every steeler fans insist it messed him up the entire year. When Ben had all that time to throw from a solid OL, he let some pretty ugly INT's fly around that were mainly his own fault.

-black · 05-08-2007, 11:46 AM

um, if the Bucs were "rebuilding" they would have taken a QB or cut ties with their veteran players. The Bucs wont have the number 1 pick. A team more likely to have it is Miami or Buffalo......or depending on LJ maybe even the Cheifs

JoeMontainya · 05-08-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by terribletowel39

yea that one. the one that also in one season got us 15 wins which i don't believe the browns have had in total in the last 5 yrs. that guy. the one that also led us to the superbowl. yea that big ben. the one that led the steelers to a 41-0 shutout against some team back in 05. yea that horrible QB.

Every NFL fan knows Ben didnt win the Steelers 15 games. Even Charlie Batch played better and got wins for the Steelers before. That team had a great deffense and the best running attack in the NFl arguably. Those are 2 ingredients to winning games, and thats exactly what the steelers did. Big Ben had the least amount of pass attempys of any QB in the NFL that played in over 14 games, whats that tell you? The wins werent on him, they were on D and great RB's/coaching.

Acreboy · 05-08-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeMontainya

Big Ben was quoted himself as saying he did not want to miss any playing time. It had nothing to do with Cower. Bens apendectomy is the same thing Hines Ward went threw acouple seasons ago and was fine after 2 weeks. The average emergency apendectomy has a max recovery rate of 3-4 weeks, but every steeler fans insist it messed him up the entire year. When Ben had all that time to throw from a solid OL, he let some pretty ugly INT's fly around that were mainly his own fault.

So if anything it shows he's a warrior. Go ahead and knock him for being a warrior and wanting to help his team win. Maybe he was too naive to realize that sitting the season out was helping his team because he would have been healing but so what he's a warrior and I dare you to attack him for being a warrior. I mean take into the fact that he almost died. That's what messed him up, not the appendectomy, that did affect him though.

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Every NFL fan knows Ben didnt win the Steelers 15 games. Even Charlie Batch played better and got wins for the Steelers before. That team had a great deffense and the best running attack in the NFl arguably. Those are 2 ingredients to winning games, and thats exactly what the steelers did. Big Ben had the least amount of pass attempys of any QB in the NFL that played in over 14 games, whats that tell you? The wins werent on him, they were on D and great RB's/coaching.

Tom Brady doesn't win games, he manages them. Your point is?

You could say the same thing about the Pats. Brady doesn't win games, he just doesn't lose them. Thats what the Pats have and do and they get praised while if the same thing would have happened to Brady he'd have an excuse. I'm almost sure of it.

JoeMontainya · 05-08-2007, 11:50 AM

"So if anything it shows he's a warrior. Go ahead and knock him for being a warrior and wanting to help his team win."

OMG did not every Steeler fan in the world knock Winslow for claiming to be a "soldier", but for some reason they claim Ben to be a "warrior", such a funny day.

Did they not have simular motorcycle wrecks?

terribletowel39 · 05-08-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeMontainya

Every NFL fan knows Ben didnt win the Steelers 15 games. Even Charlie Batch played better and got wins for the Steelers before. That team had a great deffense and the best running attack in the NFl arguably. Those are 2 ingredients to winning games, and thats exactly what the steelers did. Big Ben had the least amount of pass attempys of any QB in the NFL that played in over 14 games, whats that tell you? The wins werent on him, they were on D and great RB's/coaching.

did he lose them for the team?? the QB touches 99.9% of every offensive snap. he helped in the wins. it doesn't matter if he had the least amount of attempts. he was the starting QB for all of those wins. and don't act like Charlie Batch isn't the best backup QB in the league. he could start for lots of teams in the league and be an upgrade over there QB.

JoeMontainya · 05-08-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by terribletowel39

did he lose them for the team?? the QB touches 99.9% of every offensive snap. he helped in the wins. it doesn't matter if he had the least amount of attempts. he was the starting QB for all of those wins. and don't act like Charlie Batch isn't the best backup QB in the league. he could start for lots of teams in the league and be an upgrade over there QB.

You know im not saying that.

Your trying to say he won 15 games for the Steelers. He was simply the QB on a great team, theres about 15 NFL QB's at the time that would have did the same thing, including Charlie Batch lol.

Manning wins his team 5 plus games a year, Brady does the same, Roethlesberger doesnt and did not when they won the superbowl.

"and don't act like Charlie Batch isn't the best backup QB in the league. he could start for lots of teams in the league and be an upgrade over there QB."

Ok buddy, lots of teams huh? Name me 3 of them where the team would actually want Charlie to start?

Xonraider · 05-08-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Acreboy

So if anything it shows he's a warrior. Go ahead and knock him for being a warrior and wanting to help his team win. Maybe he was too naive to realize that sitting the season out was helping his team because he would have been healing but so what he's a warrior and I dare you to attack him for being a warrior. I mean take into the fact that he almost died. That's what messed him up, not the appendectomy, that did affect him though.

Tom Brady doesn't win games, he manages them. Your point is?

You could say the same thing about the Pats. Brady doesn't win games, he just doesn't lose them. Thats what the Pats have and do and they get praised while if the same thing would have happened to Brady he'd have an excuse. I'm almost sure of it.

Brady knows how to lead his offense in the clutch. He wins the close games for NE.

Acreboy · 05-08-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMontainya

Manning wins his team 5 plus games a year, Brady does the same, Roethlesberger doesnt and did not when they won the superbowl.

Brady does not win games as I previously stated. He manages them

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Ok buddy, lots of teams huh? Name me 3 of them where the team would actually want Charlie to start?

As of right now? Dolphins, Vikings, Lions

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Brady knows how to lead his offense in the clutch. He wins the close games for NE.

I haveto disagree. He doesn't win them, he just doesn't lose them.

757Dawg · 05-08-2007, 12:02 PM

Anyone thinking the Browns are picking #1 next year is, to be frank, clueless.

Since 2003, the team picking #1 overall did so by winning 2, 4, 2, 2, and 2 games respectively.

So odds are, we'd actually have to match our 1999-2000 marks when we had just arrived back in the league. I can tell you right now, that ain't gonna happen.

ANYWAYS.....

With the 1st overall pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, the Houston Texans select...Darren McFadden, running back, Arkansas.

terribletowel39 · 05-08-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMontainya

"So if anything it shows he's a warrior. Go ahead and knock him for being a warrior and wanting to help his team win."

OMG did not every Steeler fan in the world knock Winslow for claiming to be a "soldier", but for some reason they claim Ben to be a "warrior", such a funny day.

Did they not have simular motorcycle wrecks?

no they were not simuliar. big ben's head slammed into the side of a car. winslows leg got hurt but rolling around on concrete. i would choose to roll around on concrete anyday.