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Old 02-14-2007, 03:00 PM    (permalink
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its final i want griffin, landry, or charles johnson 1st round. no one else unless someone like okoye falls.
What about Revis? He's a solid CB with speed and he's a PR. Chris Houston may work his way up that far as well.

Landry is the dream pick.
I like Revis. I can say with about 95% confidence that the Bengals will address the Secondary with the first round. 4% of the remaining 5% is Okoye falling to 18 and that last 1% is some shocker pick.
Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if we went CB then S in the second.
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Okay, this is prob. old news, but Kiper has us taking Leon Hall at number 18. This is with Revis, Nelson and some other DBs on the board.
So my main point is for the Bengals:

Nelson or Hall?
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Wow, he has us passing Nelson? No way. He can play CB/S, can support the run or pass protect as a saftey.... He's the perfect fit.

I don't think Hall has the speed Marvin likes out of a corner. They do a great job of teaching technique but you can't teach speed, I don't think Hall has much upside.

If it was between Hall/Revis I think Revis gets the nod easy. Fast and can be a PR as well.
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yeah, but doesnt Nelson have a questionable intelligence level? could be one reason. I know Hall doesnt have the speed, but thats just timed speed as of right now. I didnt get to see many of his games (I live in SW Ohio) so I do not know if his game speed is that slow to.
I was away from the board for awhile but what is with people suggesting Puz or any other OLB? Our LB's were not our biggest problem.
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Hall doesn't have very good in game recovery speed (kinda like Tory James ) and I don't expect much timed speed out of him either.

I'm not big on LB. Unless we keep Smith maybe in the 2nd if one of the WLB's are left but I don't see Marvin wanting to take anyone to replace Landon. Landon is an adequate starter and if we develop Ahmad and let Odell back he'll be more than fine in that scenario. We have great depth at LB but not at saftey. KK is a good backup but I don't want him being our 16 game starter when DJax leaves.
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its final i want griffin, landry, or charles johnson 1st round. no one else unless someone like okoye falls.
What about Revis? He's a solid CB with speed and he's a PR. Chris Houston may work his way up that far as well.

Landry is the dream pick.
i havent looked into him enough but if you say so i believe it. i wanna know where i can get full-game film on some top guys. like where does scott get all his stuff?
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its final i want griffin, landry, or charles johnson 1st round. no one else unless someone like okoye falls.
What about Revis? He's a solid CB with speed and he's a PR. Chris Houston may work his way up that far as well.

Landry is the dream pick.
i havent looked into him enough but if you say so i believe it. i wanna know where i can get full-game film on some top guys. like where does scott get all his stuff?
You talking about Landry?

Here's a highlight clip of him....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bip9KlMxd04
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I just hope that we go D-Line in the first. The only reason why our pass defense was so bad is bc we had NO pressure on the QB. Last year the lack of pass rush was fine bc the offense always put up a big lead so the defense knew the other team would pass. The offense was very inconsistent this year so that had the defense focusing on the run and pass. I hope that we dont franchise Justin bc honestly he just has no pass rush moves. I want Carriker, Moss, or Moses in the first. Carriker is the best fit of all bc he could play 4-3 DE on first and second down and move in to DT on third and have a guy like Jeanty come in and be a pass rush specialist. Geathers did that a couple years ago and did ok, but he really wasnt meant to do that. Carriker definitely has the size to do it. And just bc we arnt moving to the 3-4 doesnt mean Carriker isnt a good fit. He's played 4-3 DE his whole career at Nebraska. Im not to fond of Johnson either bc he doesnt have that elite speed off the edge and doesnt have the size you look for in a DE 6'4"+. Name a good 4-3 DE that is short and doesnt have elite speed.
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Justin Smith was top 15 in hurries + sacks... It surprised me too but the pass rush was improved this year. Tory James starting is what killed us, he got burned constantly on 3rd downs and long balls. DJax is decent but he got burned a few times as well on players he should've covered.

If we do franchise Justin I don't see how we can go DL if Okoye isn't there.

We'd have massive money tied up in Smith/Geathers... How could you justify another DE?

Ahmad at SLB would improve our pass rush alone.
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its final i want griffin, landry, or charles johnson 1st round. no one else unless someone like okoye falls.
What about Revis? He's a solid CB with speed and he's a PR. Chris Houston may work his way up that far as well.

Landry is the dream pick.
i havent looked into him enough but if you say so i believe it. i wanna know where i can get full-game film on some top guys. like where does scott get all his stuff?
You talking about Landry?

Here's a highlight clip of him....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bip9KlMxd04
no revis. i dont want to see a highlight tape really i would like to see a full game but thats prolly not possible. i love landry w/o a doubt.


did u say ur not fond of charles johnson? i would like to know why.
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On Bengals.com it has an article about Sam Adams.

Evidently his playing weight last year was 350-360 because he couldn't burn it off due to his bum knee which he hurt the 3rd preseason game vs. the Packers.

That'd be a big addition alone if he could be mildly healthy next year.
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ya that was a good read. id like to see that attitude from some more people namely odell, henry, and deltha.
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a healthy sam adams would be great.
i was thinking, what free agents should we go after sans our own.
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i think marvin kinda ruled FA's out of the equation. we just need to continue to draft well and just avoid some guys we would have previously chosen.
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i wouldnt rule it out 100%.
im just throwing this out there, but Kris Jenkins is a possible FA.
I know he is injury prone but he is a playmaker
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how much do you think nick harper would cost? he is a solid corner and he would be cheaper than samuel or clement. just curious to see if you guys think this would work
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The only way we sign Harper is if we are planning to cut Deltha along with the move. Even if we do this I think CB and Safety are still pressing needs in the first round. I think that mt pre combine pick would have to be Revis as of now. It might change next week though. Lets put it this way Hall, Revis, Nelson, or Landry will have to be there when we pick so I think we are in good hands. P.S. I hate Hall because he is to slow. Cover 2 corner maybe?
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I completely agree with everything you just said FootballGod, especially about Hall.

My current favorite is Revis as well.

As far as the FA's go I agree about Jenkins, that could be a possibility but I don't think there are very many players even worth it anyway.


We got Tory via FA and that worked out pretty decent for a few years, he was good as a #2 anyway but I think given the value of CB day 1 that the draft is the best route to go for that.

My first round favorite is Revis, my 2nd round favorite is Aaron Rouse.
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I have heard so many different reports about Rouse. Is he really fast enough to play Safety in the NFL? I have heard that he may be a better OLB because of his large size. What do you think?
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I have heard so many different reports about Rouse. Is he really fast enough to play Safety in the NFL? I have heard that he may be a better OLB because of his large size. What do you think?

Rouse Reminds me alot of Thomas Davis for the Panthers I think Lewis was going to take him but Panters got to him first I think he can Play S and LB postion
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This sucks Justin just got the franchise tag. Hopefully this is a part of a sign and trade to the rams or something. Im tired of watching him get no pressure. I dont know why you guys hate Hall so much. I wouldnt be surprised if he ran faster than Revis, Ross, and McCauley. He's got speed and was pretty dominate this season. You guys need to watch him play more than the Rose Bowl. And he only got burned like 2 times this whole year. I would take Hall over any corner in this draft. He is the only CB I see that would be worth taking at 18. Nelson or Landry at 18 would be nice and I actually believe one of them will be there. But I would much rather see a D-Linemen there. Like I said I dont like Charles Johnson bc he is short and slow. Name one good DE that is under 6'3" and runs a 4.7+ 40 yard dash. Im not fond of Woodley either. The only good short DE's in the league are Freeney and Mathis and both run like 4.5 40's. Elvis Dumervil had a decent season last year and meets the requirement but he was a rookie and is a third down DE only. Also he completely dominated the college ranks racking up like 20 sacks his senior year. Johnson had a first round prospect opposite him and had a decent year. I wouldnt want to waste a first rounder on a third down DE.
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who else is excited? Revis in Scotts new mock. Finally a pick I agree with for us.
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This sucks Justin just got the franchise tag. Hopefully this is a part of a sign and trade to the rams or something. Im tired of watching him get no pressure. I dont know why you guys hate Hall so much. I wouldnt be surprised if he ran faster than Revis, Ross, and McCauley. He's got speed and was pretty dominate this season. You guys need to watch him play more than the Rose Bowl. And he only got burned like 2 times this whole year. I would take Hall over any corner in this draft. He is the only CB I see that would be worth taking at 18. Nelson or Landry at 18 would be nice and I actually believe one of them will be there. But I would much rather see a D-Linemen there. Like I said I dont like Charles Johnson bc he is short and slow. Name one good DE that is under 6'3" and runs a 4.7+ 40 yard dash. Im not fond of Woodley either. The only good short DE's in the league are Freeney and Mathis and both run like 4.5 40's. Elvis Dumervil had a decent season last year and meets the requirement but he was a rookie and is a third down DE only. Also he completely dominated the college ranks racking up like 20 sacks his senior year. Johnson had a first round prospect opposite him and had a decent year. I wouldnt want to waste a first rounder on a third down DE.
what are you talking about? Smith being tagged is GOOD. What games were you watching? He was among leaders in QB pressures. He is finally starting to be as good as he should be with some assistance on the line. Smith is very talented. Who would we trade Smith for on the Rams that would be worth losing our best DL for?

Just out of curiosity, who do you think we should draft?
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Geathers is by far the best DE on the team. I would hope we could get like a 3rd rounder for him. My perfect draft (realistically) would have us drafting Adam Carriker at 18. Like stated a few posts up he has the versatility to play both end and tackle. Our secondary is not that bad. As of now we have JJ and Deltha at the starting corners w/ Keiwan as the nickel. I would much rather have Keiwan starting and Deltha as the nickel and our secondary is fine. As long as we can produce pressure w/ just 5 guys our pass defense should be fine. Too many times there were 6-7 guys blitzing, at that ineffectively, and making our pass defense look horrible. To be honest I think the biggest issues is the coordinators on both sides of the ball. I would love it if both were fired. Then maybe the team would be utilized better. The offense being inconsistent stemmed directly from the bad play calling and the defense was always out of place.
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This sucks Justin just got the franchise tag. Hopefully this is a part of a sign and trade to the rams or something. Im tired of watching him get no pressure. I dont know why you guys hate Hall so much. I wouldnt be surprised if he ran faster than Revis, Ross, and McCauley. He's got speed and was pretty dominate this season. You guys need to watch him play more than the Rose Bowl. And he only got burned like 2 times this whole year. I would take Hall over any corner in this draft. He is the only CB I see that would be worth taking at 18. Nelson or Landry at 18 would be nice and I actually believe one of them will be there. But I would much rather see a D-Linemen there. Like I said I dont like Charles Johnson bc he is short and slow. Name one good DE that is under 6'3" and runs a 4.7+ 40 yard dash. Im not fond of Woodley either. The only good short DE's in the league are Freeney and Mathis and both run like 4.5 40's. Elvis Dumervil had a decent season last year and meets the requirement but he was a rookie and is a third down DE only. Also he completely dominated the college ranks racking up like 20 sacks his senior year. Johnson had a first round prospect opposite him and had a decent year. I wouldnt want to waste a first rounder on a third down DE.
Hall was a product of playing slow big ten schools and having one of if not the best front seven in front of him. Hall will run a 4.48 I bet. Revis a 4.40 and McCauley a 4.375 bet on it.
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