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Talk about the AFC North here.

Quick Prediction:

1) Bengals (11-5)
2) Ravens (10-6)
3) Browns (7-9)
4) Steelers (7-9)
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1. Ravens 12-4
2. Bengals 10-6
3. Browns 9-7
4. Steelers 7-9
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AFC North Preview

Passing Game-
1. Cincinnati Bengals- The Cincinnati Bengals have one of the top 3 quarterbacks in the league in Carson Palmer. They also have one of the top receivers in Chad Johnson, and a great possession guy in TJ Houshmanzadeh. Even with Chris Henry out, the Bengals have the top passing game in the AFC North.
2. Cleveland Browns- This may shock some people, but the Browns have the 2nd best passing game in the AFC North. Charlie Frye is disappointing, but he has all the weapons to be successful. Braylon Edwards, Joe Jurevicious, and Kellen Winslow are a great group for Charlie to throw to. Brady Quinn is also waiting in the wings to be his successor.
3. Pittsburgh Steelers- The Steelers are looking to rebound from a disappointing season last year. They have a decent passing game. Ben Roethlisberger is a good quarterback, but he lacks weapons. Hines Ward is consistent, but the rest of the receiving corps has to pick up some of the slack. If Santonio Holmes develops into a more legitimate deep threat, this team’s passing game will be a force. If not, then it will be there downfall.
4. Baltimore Ravens- If the Ravens have a weakness, it’s in there passing attack. Steve McNair is the perfect type of quarterback for the Ravens. He won’t make many mistakes, but he won’t light up any score boards either. He doesn’t have any top receivers either; his best target is TE Todd Heap. The Ravens are a run first team, and their passing game reflects that/

Rushing Attack
1. Baltimore Ravens- The Ravens picked up stud running back Willis McGahee from the bills, and revamped their offensive line with the draft. Barring a major injury, there is no way this team does not have the best running game in the AFC North, they may have one of the best in all of football.
2. Cincinnati Bengals- The depth of Cincinnati’s running attack sets them apart from the lower half of the division. Rudi Johnson is a workhorse, but they also have change of pace backs like Chris Perry, Kenny Watson, and rookie Kenny Irons.
3. Pittsburgh Steelers- Willie Parker had a great season last year, and is a stud NFL running back. But there is no depth behind him. Najeh Davenport isn’t explosive enough to be the Jerome Bettis-type pile mover that they missed last season. They are playing behind a solid but aging offensive line. But if Parker is injured, this team is in deep trouble.
4. Cleveland Browns- Reuben Droughns wasn’t very successful last year, so they brought in Jamaal Lewis. Trouble is, Jamaal wasn’t successful last year either. I doubt he will rebound from his recent struggles with the Browns behind a offensive line that is in shambles.

Overall Offense
1. Cincinnati Bengals- The Bengals have one of the top offenses in the NFL.
2. Baltimore Ravens- Baltimore may lack in the passing department, but their revamped rushing attack should pick up on the slack.
3. Pittsburgh Steelers- The Steelers aren’t hurting in too many areas, but nobody on offense really scares you other than Willie Parker.
4. Cleveland Browns- The Browns have one of the worst rushing attacks and offensive lines in the country.

Front Seven
1. Baltimore Ravens- The Ravens have arguably one of the best front sevens is the country. Ray Lewis is aging but is still a top NFL MLB. Terrell Suggs is a young stud OLB. Bart Scott, Haloti Ngata, and Trevor Pryce also are above average. The loss of Adaluis Thomas undoubtedly huirst, but the Ravens still have enough talent to make up for it.
2. Pittsburgh Steelers- Pittsburgh’s being ranked this high has less to do with their own goodness and more to do with the division’s weakness. Their 34 defense was great, but it lost its star pass rusher in Joey Porter. Farrior and Larry Foote are still solid, but the Steelers front seven isn’t looking as scary as it usually has this time of year.
3. Cincinnati Bengals- The Bengals front seven improved last season, and things are slowly looking up. LB Ahmad Brooks looks to be solid, Domata Peko is only getting better, and they have one of the best pairs of DE’s in the country with Justin Smith and Robert Geathers. Their lack of stud linebakers hurts though.
4. Cleveland Browns- Kameiron Wimbley, Andra Davis, and Willie McGinest should be solid, but no one else on the front seven really will scare anybody. Cleveland did little to improve its pass rush in the draft, and it will still be one of the team’s Achilles Heels.

Secondary
1. Baltimore Ravens- McAlister, Rolle, Reed, and Landry might just be the best secondary in the nation. Reed is a playmaking ballhawk, and Mcalister is a top 3 CB in the country. The other two guys aren’t two shabby either, and they have another rising star in the secondary in fifth round steal Dawan Landry.
2. Cincinnati Bengals- Jonathon Joseph can stick on receivers like glue, even if he plays patty cake with balls in the air. Deltha Oneal is solid, but Leon Hall should have the starting job by the end of the season. Madieu Williams is one of the most underated players in the game. Dexter Jackson is a question mark, and I excpect Marvin White to take over his job by mid season
3. Pittsburgh Steelers- Ike Taylor was disappointing, but if returns to his 2005 form, this teams secondary will be a force. I don’t see that happening though. The only thing that prevents this team from being last is Troy Polamalu, who, when healthy is a top 5 safety in this league.
4. Cleveland Browns- The Browns have one of the games best kept secrets in safety Sean Jones, who racked up over 100 tackles. But the oft injured Leigh Bodden leaves this team hanging up to dry. He is like Mark Prior, he has the potential to be great but he can’t seem to stay healthy. This team could have a great secondary, and Eric Wright is promising, but tooo many things have to happen for them to be solid.

Overall Defense-
1. Baltimore Ravens- Organized Chaos is easily they best defense in the division.
2. Cincinnati Bengals- The Bengals have promising stars at every position, but the question remains if they can play up to their potential.
3. Pittsburgh Steelers- The Steeler’s defense pales in comparison to the Super Bowl team’s of 2005.
4. Cleveland Browns- No way this team’s defensive questions all get positive answers.

Final Predictions
1 Cincinnati Bengals- 11-5
2. Baltimore Ravens- 11-5
3. Cleveland Brown-6-10
4. Pittsburgh Steelers- 6-10
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I'll say...

1. Bengals 12-4
2. Ravens 10-6
3. Steelers 8-8
4. Browns 6-10

1690: I agree with most of your list, although I think the Bengals should be first in rushing, Steelers second and Ravens third. The Bengals get it due to depth over the Steelers who have at this moment who appears to be the best RB in the division.

Also given how much our defense is relying on potential and 'maybes' the Steelers are an easy second in defense.

I'll probably write up a big one later.

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Hmmm....
1-Baltimore (11-5)
2-Cincinnati (10-6)
3-Pittsburgh (9-7)
4-Cleveland (7-9)

Baltimore has the best defense in the league. Cincy probably has one of the 2 or 3 best offenses in the league.

Cleveland finally has a decent offensive line with depth and everything, but their running game will only be average with a young rookie starting at QB in all likelyhood.

Pittsburgh has talent on both sides of the ball, but not as much as they did last year. I expect the pass rush to be bad in Pittsburgh but the run defense to be outstanding, while the offense should be better than last year with Parker going to the pro bowl again while Santonio Holmes breaks out and helps Roethlisberger rebound.
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As for how each team's units should rank:

Passing Offense:
1-Cincinnati
2-PIttsburgh
3-Cleveland (I think Quinn is ready to start as a rookie and let Edwards/WInslow make plays)
4-Baltimore

Rushing Offense:
1-Pittsburgh
2-Cincinnati
3-Baltimore
4-Cleveland

Overall Offense:
1-Cincinnati
2-Pittsburgh
3-Baltimore
4-Cleveland

Passing Defense:
1-Baltimore
2-Cleveland (yes their pass defense is actually pretty decent, Mel Tucker great DBs coach)
3-Pittsburgh
4-Cincinnati

Rush Defense:
1-Pittsburgh
2-Baltimore
3-Cincinnati (lousy against run)
4-Cleveland (very lousy against run)

Overall Defense:
1-Baltimore
2-Pittsburgh
3-CLeveland (very underrated unit, Crennel actually gets them to overachieve)
4-Cincinnati
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i say...

Bengals 10 - 6
Steelers 10 - 6
Ravens 9 - 7
Browns 4 - 12

The teams will do well outside of their conference, especially playing the NFL's JV team... I mean the NFC west. But inside the conference the teams will beat each other up.

Other Predictions:

McNair misses 4 - 6 weeks with injury (thus the Ravens struggles).
Bengals again have great offense, but their lack of defense hurts them again.
Brady Quinn is the starter after the browns are out of playoff contention, and playing with nothing to lose the Brown's actually start to look decent enough for Romeo to keep his job for one more year.
Ben doesn't get into a motorcycle accident, however,
A guy who pretended to be Ben, Did and gave the city of Pittsburgh another heart attack.
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Bengals 10 - 6
Steelers 10 - 6
Ravens 9 - 7
Browns 4 - 12
God I hope your right on that part.
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McNair misses 4 - 6 weeks with injury (thus the Ravens struggles).
some would say the ravens are better off with kyle boller
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I'll chime in on this later. I wish we had more fans from this division on here. Id love to hear more thoughts on it.
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haha Bollermania is alive and well, I can actually see that arguement (at least I don't feel they lose much with Boller out there).

Whoever said the Bengals run D is horrible... It isn't. We were top half of the league in run D last year, our biggest problem was that Tory James was out there 'covering' WR's and it seemed like we had new guys starting at LB every week.

I have a VERY hard time believing the Ravens top the Bengals in the division. This is not saying the Ravens are not the same talent as the Bengals, that's not the case. It's just that our two additional games are @TEN and KC while theirs are @SD and IND, that's a big difference there and the Bengals really couldn't have had much more go against them this year than they did last year while the Ravens had most everything go their way, especially in terms of health.

Either way I expect Cincinnati and Baltimore in the playoffs, I'm not sure what to expect out of Pittsburgh though.

It'll never happen, but it would be AMAZING if Odell Thurman was allowed to contribute next year. I'm hoping about midseason he earns his spot back or moves to WLB since Ahmad is in the middle.
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I'll do a big writeup when I have time, but the Ravens are the class of the division. Arguably the best defense and special teams in the NFL is backed up by a solid veteran QB in Steve McNair, an elite TE Todd Heap, a pro bowler in the making Mark Clayton as well as a former pro bowler Derrick Mason and rising star Demetrius Williams, and their line has potential for greatness and at the very least solid.
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This is copied from my thread that got locked that I made when this one was made I guess.

Well since there is an NFC East and someone wanted an AFC North one I figured I might as well do it.

Run Game - This is the trickiest thing in the AFC North to rank just because of all of the uncertainties. Is Chris Perry going to be healthy? Will the Browns o-line hold up, can Jamal Lewis return to his own form? Will McGahee emerge as a top 5 back in Baltimore, will Fast Willie Parker run wild this year?

1. Pittsburgh Steelers - Like I said this is a tough thing to rank, but Pittsburgh is known for running the ball and Willie Parker is a homerun hitter. He may not be the biggest of guys, but he has a decent offense around him, I was tempted to put the Bengals in the slot but I don't know if Chris Perry will be there to back up Rudi Johnson.

2. Cincinnati Bengals - Rudi Johnson is on a team that has a top 5 passing attack in the league, even though they lost Chris Henry for half a year, the pass will open up the run game, and the run will open up the pass. If Chris Perry does manage to come back and play to the level I think he can, this team will have a great run game.

3. Baltimore Ravens - Adding a rookie left guard (Who I respect and like) to replace Mulitalo was a good move, but Ogden is getting older and doesn't play at the level he used to. I really think McGahee is a good back, but the line isn't good enough in my mind to put them above the Bengals.

4. Cleveland Browns - Just not enough to rank them ahead of anyone, their o-line should be a ton better this year, but no one knows if Jamal Lewis will be back to what he used to be.

Passing Game

1. Cincinnati Bengals - There is no explanation needed here, they have one of the best passing games in the league with CJ and TJ and with Palmer throwing them the ball. When Chris Henry gets back look out NFL.

2. Pittsburgh Steelers - I Don't believe that the passing game for the Steelers is too great, but they have Ward, Holmes, and Miller with Roethlisberger throwing the ball. If Ben can stay healthy all year I think they will have a consistant year throwing the ball.

3. Cleveland Browns - This could be #2 but the question marks are too large to put them ahead of Pittsburgh. Winslow and Edwards are both coming into their own, the problem is no one knows who is going to be throwing them the ball. Frye or Quinn, it could be good, or it could be really bad.

4. Baltimore Ravens - I don't have any more faith in Steve McNair, and the only target I really trust is Todd Heap, so this is why they are ranked last.

Run Defense

1. Baltimore Ravens - They have tremendous speed and size in their front seven, not to mention DB's who are willing to come up and help stop the run.

2. Pittsburgh Steelers - Even though they lost a great player in Porter they got 2 rookies that I believe can have an impact from the first game, I rank them ahead of the Browns/Bengals poor defense.

3. Cincinatti Bengals - Pollack and Thurman probably wont play this year ( I haven't heard otherwise ) so I believe their front 7 is in trouble.

4. Cleveland Browns - Good linebackers, very questionable D-Line.

Pass Defense

1. Baltimore Ravens - Ed Reed, Chris McCalister, Landry, Samari Rolle... The only weak link is Rolle here, I give the Ravens my #1 spot.

2. Cleveland Browns - Big surprise maybe? Leigh Bodden is my boy and a shut down corner in my mind, Eric Wright should start day one, he may get abused early in the season, but I think he turns out to be a good player THIS year. Sean Jones is a stud and could have made the pro-bowl last year. Brodney Pool is the biggest question mark and he has been deemed the best athelte on our team, so I hope he lives up to the hype.

3. Pittsburgh Steelers - Not great but not bad.

4. Cincinnati Bengals - The big question here is whether or not Leon Hall can contribute from game 1.

Special Teams

1. Cleveland Browns
2. Baltimore Ravens
3. Pittsburgh Steelers
4. Cincinnati Bengals

Place in the division

1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Steelers
4. Browns

I don't like posting records this far away from the season, but thats how I see the division panning out.

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1) Cincy
2) Baltimore
3) Pittsburgh
4) Cleveland
This division will have the best combined record out of division
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I don't know why the Ravens are worse than the Browns in the passing game. Te's Winslow isn't that much better than Heap and Heap is more consistent and gets more TD's. Mark Clayton who had 1,000 yards last year is Derrick Mason in the making and they have Derrick Mason too as well as young gun Demetrius Williams and hopefully Yamon Figurs could do something. Lastly I'd take McNair or even Boller for that fact over Frye and day as well as over Quinn, I expect Quinn to have high INT numbers and inconsistency problems as all rookie QB's do, plus I didn't have Quinn as that super prospect.
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I'll do a big writeup when I have time, but the Ravens are the class of the division. Arguably the best defense and special teams in the NFL is backed up by a solid veteran QB in Steve McNair, an elite TE Todd Heap, a pro bowler in the making Mark Clayton as well as a former pro bowler Derrick Mason and rising star Demetrius Williams, and their line has potential for greatness and at the very least solid.
what about their line is so great??, i see a lot of young guys who were good in college, but havnt done much yet in the pros

ogden is the best one on the line, and he almost didnt comeback this year... he's old

adam terry will moat likely have to step in as you all lost pasos, and he is relatively new in starting on the line

who will the guards be?
grubbs.. a rookie

brown who again is youing and unproven or
vincent who is solid, but nothing to write home about

then you got chester at center, again is young and unproven

im not going to say your line is bad by anymeans, and yes it can eventually be a good line, but you have really a new line, how can that not be a question mark for you all?
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Hmmm....
1-Baltimore (11-5)
2-Cincinnati (10-6)
3-Pittsburgh (9-7)
4-Cleveland (7-9)
It's almost inconcievable for a division to be five games over .500 collectively with the way the schedule is set up. I highlly doubt all four teams' records will be that good.

In fact, since the new schedule came out in 2002 it hasn't happened yet. 4 games above .500 happens once every year or every other year, but with the strength of the AFC I don't see it this year. In fact last year the highest any division was above .500 was 2 games.
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Just to address a few things regarding the steelers:
From what I see here, I can gather that people have identified a few similar weakness with the team, namely the pass rush, the pass defense, offensive weapons and RB depth.

1. The pass rush
I honestly believe the pass rush will be much improved this year even with the loss of Porter. Porter and Haggans were sluggish last year and it was obvious that their age was starting to catch up to them. The coaches have made a commitment to improving this as evident in our first two selections. Expect Timmons and Woodley to see lots of action in pass rushing situations with Woodley coming off the end either with his hand or off the ground and Timmons lined up in a wider variety of positions. Rookie linebackers have been shown to be able to make an immediate impact as pass rushers and I believe that the new youth at the position will be like a shock for our pass rush and greatly increase our ability to get after the quarterback which in turn will help our...

2. Pass defense
True, Taylor had a sub-par year last year but the guy had a solid year in 2005 and has all the physical tools he needs to be a solid cover corner. Mike Tomlin has a history of improving young CBs (including Ronde Barber) and I think that under his tutelage, Taylor could do good things. Opposite him, look for Bryant McFadden to take over for an aging Deshea Townsend and bring with him a swagger in to the position. McFadden has shown very promising ability and like Taylor I believe he will improve under Tomlin. The real wild card in this secondary is whether Anthony Smith will take over for Ryan Clark right away at FS. Clark was solid last year but unspectacular while Anthony Smith has quickly emerged as a fan favorite and has shown the ability to both be a ballhawk and level receivers over the middle. However, he did make some mistakes in coverage last year but that is to be expected from a rookie. Plus he did a high-steppin boombox.

3. Offensive weapons
The two most intriguing stories for the Steelers' passing game this year could be the development of Santonio Holmes and the new roles of the TEs. Santonio had a very solid rookie season amassing over 800 yards even though he did not see siginificant PT much of the beginnning of the season. This year I look for him to have a break out season and emerge as a very solid compliment to Hines on his way to becoming a legitimate number one in the coming years. Heath Miller has shown that he can be a very solid receiving TE but under Cowher the TE has not seen many opportunities since Eric Green. The new o-coordinator Bruce Arians has made a commitment to running more multiple TE sets which will allow Heath to do many different things including splitting out wide. While some may see this as just talk, I believe Arians cemented his commitment to this new scheme with the selection of Matt Spaeth in the third round. Spaeth is a solid receiver and lined up with Miller he will give the Steelers two big 6-5 and 6-7 TEs with reliable hands that could do wonders in the red zone.

4. RB depth
Its common knowledge that the Steelers don't have much behind Willie but the team didn't feel like there was a RB worth taking when they selected in the draft. Instead, they signed a couple UDFA RBs including Gary Russell, who if motivated, could prove to be a steal in a couple years. Apparently he's already down to 217, which is a promising sign being that he was 230 at the combine. In the short term, its been widely reported that the Steelers are close to signing Kevan Barlow to a one year deal. He could be a solid back-up to Willie this year. With Parker, Barlow, and Davenport, the Steelers could have some solid depth for this year and the team could look to add another young back in next year's depth.

So those are my opinions on some of the weaknesses that people have addressed.
However, my main concern with the team this year is the line's ability to protect Ben in the pocket, something that they did a very poor job of last year. Hartings retired, and while he was solid for many years, he played too long on those old knees and could not handle big NTs. I think that Mahan, while unspectacular, will be an upgrade over Hartings in pass blocking and if a big mauler like Chris Kemoeatu or Willie Colon takes over for Kendall Simmons, they could do a much better job helping the center deal with big interior lineman than Simmons did last year. On the outsides, Max Starks was a typical Russ Grimm o-lineman, huge and sluggish, and Marvel Smith is better suited at RT. Willie Colon, although I feel he would make a better G, could possibly take over for Starks at RT and would show a nasty demenor that Starks lacks. I think the biggest upgrade the team made to their pass protection this year was the commitment to multiple TE sets. With extra TEs on the field it could cause opposing teams LBs to have to drop back into coverage instead off all out blitzing like they did much of last year.

So these are just a few of my thoughts on the Steelers this year, take them as you will.
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what about their line is so great??, i see a lot of young guys who were good in college, but havnt done much yet in the pros

ogden is the best one on the line, and he almost didnt comeback this year... he's old

adam terry will moat likely have to step in as you all lost pasos, and he is relatively new in starting on the line

who will the guards be?
grubbs.. a rookie

brown who again is youing and unproven or
vincent who is solid, but nothing to write home about

then you got chester at center, again is young and unproven

im not going to say your line is bad by anymeans, and yes it can eventually be a good line, but you have really a new line, how can that not be a question mark for you all?
Brown and Chester both got a considerable amount of playing time last year. Alot of people are saying we downgraded with the loss of Edwin Mulitalo last year but he didnt even play most of the year.
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I really think Pittsburgh gonna win this Division. Cinncy and Baltimore 9-10 win area and Browns 4-6 wins.
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LT- Ogden is coming off of a pro bowl year, I definetly think he will do well but maybe not pro bowl quality
LG- Jason Brown had a lot of improvment and gain expierence, I think he can play around Mulatalos level at LG
C- Ask ERU, Chester will probably be a improvment over Flynn
RG- Vincent isnt that great, Vincent used on a lot of pulls so I think Grubbs will accell at RG
RT-This is tough and up in the air because Terry is a converted LT.
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I don't feel like going into specifics in terms of records but Cinci and Baltimore should duke it out for 1st place and then Cleveland and Pittsburgh should be going for 3rd. On paper, that's how it all looks. Everyone except Cleveland has a pretty good running game. Cleveland has a pretty solid line, but Jamal is just trash. Big Ben will determine much of the Steeler's success. If he can be the efficient play he used to be, they are almost a lock for a record over .500. Injuries will happen and screw some team unfortunately. I like Cinci's offense, but I still don't like their D, they give up too many points and arent the same as they were in 05 in terms of turnovers. They will be able to replace Steinbach and Irons should be a big play threat. The loss of Henry will hurt for those first 8 games. They need a TE to step it up or Perry to come back to provide that missing production. Their Dline is still not great at run stopping, although they have significantly improved, and Peko was great. They lost some proven vets on D and will have trouble replacing their leadership. Raven's O is questionable, but Grubbs will solidify that left side and Ogden, despite not being as great as he used to, is still one of the better lineman in the league. Brown who started 12 games last year will start at the other guard and vet Mike Flynn will most likely start out as the C. Only question mark is how well Terry makes the transition from LT to RT. Other than that, they have good weapons and a servicable backup Qb in case McNair gets hurt. And their D should be good again. Steelers have to pass protect better and the C position is up in the air. They added good youth to the D thru the draft. Kevin Barlow will be a good addition to the backfield. Their corners have to step it up. Their D is still 3-4 but did not play as well last season against the pass in general and were lacking in big plays. Very inconsistant. Browns have good depth on the DL, but not a bigtime playmaker. Wimbley will become a great player and they have other good LBs. Their secondary is good. Sean Jones is very underrated and Brodney Poole is solid. If Baxter and Bodden return well from injuries and don't get hurt again, they'll have a solid pass defense. And Winslow and Edwards aren’t making the big plays they need, plus they have too much youth at QB.
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