New Orleans Saints Discussion - Page 67

12-07-2008, 01:20 AM

lol i got an infraction for it :)

a bit tooooo big.

SugarSean · 12-07-2008, 12:02 PM

I have to respectfully disagree with all of you. Watch the saints today and you will see that it is Brees that benefits from Thomas...not the other way around. When Bush gets the majority of the touches out of the backfield the saints offense is greatly held back. Thomas will have another great game if given the opportunity. Just watch the guy.

SugarSean · 12-07-2008, 02:46 PM

How can u deny the guy? He's a special talent. Is anybody actually watching the saints play this year??

Gay Ork Wang · 12-07-2008, 03:08 PM

god we need an official homer thread

SugarSean · 12-07-2008, 03:12 PM

Dude are u kiddin me? I'm a football fan. NOT a saints fan. NOT a Pierre Thomas homer. I have no affiliation with the guy whatsoever. I just like football and the guy can ball. The dude will be the truth when the saints finally decide to run the offense through him for good.

SugarSean · 12-07-2008, 03:13 PM

I was tryin to get opinions on him but its unnecessary now. Now i'm just peepin all yall to him. For the guys that say that he succeeds due to Brees, todays game was another example as to why that couldn't be more wrong.

Gay Ork Wang · 12-07-2008, 03:29 PM

yea cause Brees is so awful without Thomas. Wait...

SugarSean · 12-07-2008, 03:33 PM

Dude but is the TEAM better when they're not running the offense through Thomas? Who cares if Brees throws for 400+ yards 2 tds and a pick every game without him bein involved? Today Brees passed for 220 and they beat a team that smoked the saints last time they played. Why is that?? B/c they ran the offense throught Thomas.

Paranoidmoonduck · 12-07-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang

yea cause Brees is so awful without Thomas. Wait...

This what I don't get. Brees did almost all of his record-pace work before Thomas was getting significant carries.

Gay Ork Wang · 12-07-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SugarSean

Dude but is the TEAM better when they're not running the offense through Thomas? Who cares if Brees throws for 400+ yards 2 tds and a pick every game without him bein involved? Today Brees passed for 220 and they beat a team that smoked the saints last time they played. Why is that?? B/c they ran the offense throught Thomas.

obviously they are better. that doesnt mean brees benefits from him. he kinda plays like he always does. They benefit from each other, but Pierre tHomas benefits alot lot lot more. Its kinda like Addai/E.James and Manning. But to say Brees benefits from him more is wrong. Team was not ur point

SugarSean · 12-07-2008, 03:37 PM

Oh my God. Who the **** cares if he was on pace to break the passing yardage record? He was on pace for over 650 passing attempts. It wasn't efficient. Its a record that you do NOT want to break. The more balanced the saints attack is, the better they are as a team. Anybody with two eyes that has seen them play knows this.

Paranoidmoonduck · 12-07-2008, 03:40 PM

You didn't say that the Saints are better, you said Brees is better. And I don't see evidence for that.

SugarSean · 12-07-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by *** Ork Wang

obviously they are better. that doesnt mean brees benefits from him. he kinda plays like he always does. They benefit from each other, but Pierre tHomas benefits alot lot lot more. Its kinda like Addai/E.James and Manning. But to say Brees benefits from him more is wrong. Team was not ur point

Dude I never said that Brees isn't a good quarterback. He is more efficient and better when the offense is ran through Thomas. On top of this, the team is better. And Brees has nothing to do with Thomas' kick returns. Have u ever watched him play? Be honest. Yes, the guy has a good qb but his success has nothing to do with Brees being good. Brees has NO effect on his ability to read holes, break tackles and fight for extra yards. Reggie Bush 3.3. Deuce 3.6. Pierre Thomas 4.6. The numbers don't lie.

bearsfan_51 · 12-07-2008, 03:46 PM

This is such an obvious case of protesting too much. You say you dont' care but you are ******** bricks because nobody agrees with you.

SugarSean · 12-07-2008, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

This is such an obvious case of protesting too much. You say you dont' care but you are ******** bricks because nobody agrees with you.

I'm not ******** bricks. We're having a football debate dude. I'm passionate about the sport. My point is that I actually watch the guy play. Making comparisons to Edge or Addai is ridiculous. In the Colts offense EVERY running back thrives. In the saint offense ONE does. It has nothing to do with situation...it's about talent.

Paranoidmoonduck · 12-07-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SugarSean

In the Colts offense EVERY running back thrives. In the saint offense ONE does.

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Today
Pierre - 16 carries, 6.4 YPC
Bush - 10 carries, 8.0 YPC

SugarSean · 12-07-2008, 03:56 PM

Is this dude serious? When u have a run go for 40+ yards and you only have 10 carries ur yards per carry will be abnormally high. Please try to make the argument that Bush was the more productive runner today and I'll just leave it alone. It really won't even be worth my time to try to explain football to you.

Paranoidmoonduck · 12-07-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SugarSean

Is this dude serious? When u have a run go for 40+ yards and you only have 10 carries ur yards per carry will be abnormally high. Please try to make the argument that Bush was the more productive runner today and I'll just leave it alone. It really won't even be worth my time to try to explain football to you.

Boy, I'm not sure I could handle such an obviously informed football opinion. My brain might start leaking.

Listen. Everything is based on situation. Pierre is a good runner, but he and Bush were both very successful today, which would seem to indicate that more than one runner has success in that offense. In terms of total offensive yardage, Pierre had 3 more yards on four more touches. I'm not trying to denigrate Pierre, but you stance that he's the glue of that offense and that he's the only successful running back on that team is frankly delusional.

Gay Ork Wang · 12-07-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SugarSean

Dude I never said that Brees isn't a good quarterback. He is more efficient and better when the offense is ran through Thomas. On top of this, the team is better. And Brees has nothing to do with Thomas' kick returns. Have u ever watched him play? Be honest. Yes, the guy has a good qb but his success has nothing to do with Brees being good. Brees has NO effect on his ability to read holes, break tackles and fight for extra yards. Reggie Bush 3.3. Deuce 3.6. Pierre Thomas 4.6. The numbers don't lie.

yes. Pierre Thomas had 200 yards against the Bears, and i saw them play. He is a nice RB, kinda does what Deuce did 2 years ago. But nothing special at all.

******* Pierre sparks the rush offense. But he is NOTHING Special. Brees makes that team. There is no game Pierre Thomas won them

SugarSean · 12-07-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Paranoidmoonduck

Boy, I'm not sure I could handle such an obviously informed football opinion. My brain might start leaking.

Listen. Everything is based on situation. Pierre is a good runner, but he and Bush were both very successful today, which would seem to indicate that more than one runner has success in that offense. In terms of total offensive yardage, Pierre had 3 more yards on four more touches. I'm not trying to denigrate Pierre, but you stance that he's the glue of that offense and that he's the only successful running back on that team is frankly delusional.

I was about to just leave the situation alone but this is downright laughable. Are you making the basis of your whole argument off of ONE game? Can you really let ONE game lead you to believe that both are successful in the offense? Do u suffer from memory loss or do you not remember last weeks 3 carry O yard performance by Bush? I'm looking at season and career numbers, along with actual game film, to support my argument. What are you using as your argument to prove that he is NOT the only successful running back on the team?

Paranoidmoonduck · 12-07-2008, 04:16 PM

Why wouldn't a situation when they're running behind an offensive line that's performing the same, against the same defense, in the same part of the year mean a whole lot? We haven't had many chances to see the two perform alongside each other. Besides, this was easily Pierre's best game all season. If you're using past performances and ignoring this game as simply one occurence, what evidence are you using that he makes this offense go?

steelersfan43 · 12-07-2008, 04:17 PM

I love this guy, Ive liked him since he was a rook

Gay Ork Wang · 12-07-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SugarSean

I was about to just leave the situation alone but this is downright laughable. Are you making the basis of your whole argument off of ONE game? Can you really let ONE game lead you to believe that both are successful in the offense? Do u suffer from memory loss or do you not remember last weeks 3 carry O yard performance by Bush? I'm looking at season and career numbers, along with actual game film, to support my argument. What are you using as your argument to prove that he is NOT the only successful running back on the team?

Everyone knows Reggie Bush is not a great inside the tackles runners. And he still succeed this year. I dont get your laugh. How many games have you seen

Bruce Banner · 12-07-2008, 04:22 PM

Gay Ork Wang · 12-07-2008, 04:24 PM

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who was that directed at?

EDIT: nvm, i forgot what he wrote.