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Old 03-03-2008, 05:05 PM    (permalink
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We may not have a premiere pass rusher because we will have multiple pass rushers and I love the woody signing he is very good and now we have solidified both sides of our offensive line
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If we don't get rid of Robertson, we've had a considerably poor off-season. The only potential steal so far is the Jenkins thing, and everything else hasn't been that great. It turned from a solid off-season to a poor one very quickly. We'll have to get lucky in the draft to redeem ourselves.

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We may not have a premiere pass rusher because we will have multiple pass rushers and I love the woody signing he is very good and now we have solidified both sides of our offensive line

the problem is that none of them at OLB are any good.
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the problem is that none of them at OLB are any good.
IMO I would have preferred to not sign Pace and draft Gholston. Only thing is, if Gholston got drafted ahead of us we would be in deep doo-doo. Hopefully Gholston is still on their radar..
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IMO I would have preferred to not sign Pace and draft Gholston. Only thing is, if Gholston got drafted ahead of us we would be in deep doo-doo. Hopefully Gholston is still on their radar..

Except with the signing of Woody (which I'm also not happy sbout), the Jets could have waited until the second round if Gholston wasn't there.
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IMO I would have preferred to not sign Pace and draft Gholston. Only thing is, if Gholston got drafted ahead of us we would be in deep doo-doo. Hopefully Gholston is still on their radar..
Hopefully signing Pace doesn't eliminate the possibility of drafting Gholston. Pace and Gholston on the edges with Thomas as a weakside OLB sub is not bad at all.
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I don't know. I've read some stuff on Pace and he might not be bad. He certainly was overpaid, but he might be a solid addition. Sounds to be more of a coverage/run stuffer guy than a pure pass rusher, however, so we might still have to address that. I also heard Pace can play the inside because of his abilities, so he might be more in the Adalius Thomas mold than anything else. We'll see about that one. I'm far less skeptical of that signing than say, Woody. But with the familiarity with Mangini, maybe Woody will play solidly over there.

At the very least, this gives us options in the draft considering they screwed themselves over by winning that last game. Should be very interesting to see what we can do in the draft and if we can give up D-Rob at all.
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according to FoxSports the D-ROb deal is off


Despite numerous indications that a deal would go down, the Cincinnati Bengals once again have failed to trade for a new defensive tackle.

FOXSports.com has learned that Dewayne Robertson of the New York Jets, who met with Bengals officials at team headquarters on Monday, will not be traded to Cincinnati.

Robertson has two years remaining on the rookie deal he signed as the No. 4 pick of the 2003 draft. He is set to earn $1.5 million in base salary this season.

Robertson, who spoke Sunday night to Bengals coach Marvin Lewis, has been a poor fit in the 3-4 defensive scheme New York installed when Eric Mangini became head coach in 2006. Robertson, 26, would likely be better suited to play in a 4-3 system as a penetrating-style defensive tackle.

The Bengals thought they had an agreement Friday with Detroit to acquire defensive tackle Shaun Rogers. But a contractual issue nullified the deal, leading to the Lions instead agreeing to send Rogers to Cleveland for a third-round draft pick and cornerback Leigh Bodden.

Robertson became expendable in New York when the Jets acquired defensive tackle Kris Jenkins in a Friday trade with Carolina. A source said the new Jets contract Jenkins signed includes $9.5 million in guaranteed money and a $4.5 million roster bonus due in March. The total value of the five-year contract is $30.25 million with $18 million coming in the first three seasons, the source said.

Media reports have stated Jenkins was set to earn $20 million in guaranteed money from the Jets.
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D-Rob wants a new contract with Cinci, right? Is that what help up the trade?
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D-Rob wants a new contract with Cinci, right? Is that what help up the trade?
WTF?!?!?!?!? are we ever going to get rid of this guy? and i agree, i don't know much about pace, but we are going to have to live or die with him now even though he is WAY over paid...woody? idk either...like another person said before, 1 step forward, 2 steps back...can the jets get rid of drob now, with other teams seeing that he prob is not willing to renegotiate his contract?
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Are we still targeting Gholston, because Pace isn't a pure pass rusher. He can play OLB or ILB which gives us a great all around player, but we need someone who's job is to get to the QB. Have we expressed interest in resigning Hobson?
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Don't know how you guys feel about this but I have an idea for the Jets to help solidify their secondary. Philly is shopping Lito and they have a need for a #! receiver and Coles has made his displeasures clear about not getting an extension. So how about Lito Sheppard and a 5th rounder to the NYJ for Lavaerneus Coles, 2nd Rounder and 6th Rounder?
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Not only is Lito not that great, but that'd definitely kill our receiving corp. As overrated as I think Coles is (by some), we really don't have a lot of other options at receiver. To give up our 2nd that we desperately need as well as Coles just for an average corner would kind of be ridiculous.
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Don't know how you guys feel about this but I have an idea for the Jets to help solidify their secondary. Philly is shopping Lito and they have a need for a #! receiver and Coles has made his displeasures clear about not getting an extension. So how about Lito Sheppard and a 5th rounder to the NYJ for Lavaerneus Coles, 2nd Rounder and 6th Rounder?
But with this, the Jets are left with one of the worst receiver corps in the NFL and without a day one pick outside of the first round, no way to improve. Clemens would become this year's version of 2007 Vince Young.

He can hand it off, but if heaven forbid he has to drop back to pass, he'll be sitting back for 5-10 seconds before deciding to run or get sacked because there is nobody to throw the ball to.

And just imagine what would happen if Jerricho Cotchery got injured.

Your starting receivers...... Brad Smith and Wallace Wright. You'll find better duos in the arena league. That may be an exagguration, but not a very big one.
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Hopefully Chansi Stuckey develops nicely so then he could eventually take over for Coles. Right now its looking like the Jets need to take a receiver in the first 3 rounds..
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Jets officially cut Clement, and signed CB Andre Woolfolk formerly of Tennesee
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I really don't see why everyone thinks this offseason was a failure. We cut the fat and got quality players. We will finally be able to run the football again next season, which will take a lot of pressure off Clemens. I think we still draft Gholston if there, and then we have depth at LB and can get pressure on the QB much easier. I know we've spent a damn lot on free agents, but we had money to spend, and we got rid of players with big contracts. If we can get rid of Robertson, we clear up so much cap space. Thanks to free agency, we now don't have any GIANT needs. We still need another WR, CB, LB, FB, S. Before we needed all that (LB A LOT) and NT, OG, OT. All of which were glaring needs. I am happy the Jets are finally realizing, if we ever want to win a Superbowl, we need to make moves and soon.
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Really, Robertson was the biggest and arguably the only concern as far as getting rid of players goes, and we've yet to do that. I hardly think you can say it's a failure, but you can't call it a success either. It'll definitely depend on whether we can get rid of Robertson and how our draft shakes out.
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If the Titans cut him, a CB which is one of their needs unless I am mistaken, what does that say about him? I'll reserve judgement though until I can find some things besides stats.
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I really don't see why everyone thinks this offseason was a failure. We cut the fat and got quality players. We will finally be able to run the football again next season, which will take a lot of pressure off Clemens.

Because the way I see it, the Jets cut the fat (McCareins, Clarke & Clement) and added more (Pace & Woody). Despite the trading of Vilma, my favorite player on the Jets, I was relatively happy with what the Jets did in free agency. Until that.
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Are we still targeting Gholston, because Pace isn't a pure pass rusher. He can play OLB or ILB which gives us a great all around player, but we need someone who's job is to get to the QB. Have we expressed interest in resigning Hobson?
Seeing Gholston in a Pats uniform makes me cringe. I hope we're still targeting him.

I wouldn't mind to see us resign Hobson and move him inside.
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Hey guys, I don't know if you remember me, and a highly doubt you do but, last year, about this time, i was very active on this site. Around May or so i stopped posting and forgot my password so I didn't even bother. I have still been reading all the forums and stuff and have still checked this site more than daily but never got back into the forum. Because the Jets have been so active this offseason (only 5 days in may I add), i felt the need to get back into this. I don't know how dedicated I will be to this forum but I will try to be...And trust me I know that 51 is in my account and Vilma is gone but I don't know how to change my username so I'll just leave it as a tribute to J-Vilm.

So I thought I would just weigh in on my opinions on our moves so far.

I am more than happy about the players we've cut even if we didn't replace them (like we have in some of the spots)...McCareins has been a major bust other than his first year when he was known at the stadium as "Spiderman." After watching the Ravens game earlier this year, I can't fathom how that was possible but I think everyone can agree that that was a good riddance...Dyson I thought was decent and had injuries not slown him down and had he stayed out of Mangini's doghouse he could've been a more than adequate starter for us opposite Revis, but it's in the past so here's to hoping we can replace him either by free agency or the draft, and as of now it is looking like it is going to the latter...Clarke and Clement were nothing more than stopgaps and had to be cut, especially with the signings of Faneca and Woody which I will address later.

And now to address the hotly debate Vilma trade...I don't care how much you love the guy (even I do, just see my username), you have to agree that he had to be traded this offseason. And yes I agree with the haters of this trade that Vilma really should have guaranteed second-round value (probably 1st if it werent for the injury), but he doesn't. Obviously if that is the value we got, that is the value he would be had for. The injury was obviously a concern and also he hasn't produced in the past two years. We had no leverage, so we got as much as we could. I know people say he would have been great playing next to Harris with a space-eating NT but we have no way to prove that. And even if we held on to him for a year to find out, there is no way he would resign. Even if he had success, he would definitely leave during Free Agency next offseason. His size and style of play as a sideline-to-sideline speedster are much better suited for the 3-4. So why get nothing for him when we can get something? And I know many people say we didn't get much, but you really have to disagree with that. In the 2008 draft we get a mid-4th round pick. And at first you think, oh its just a 4th, but then look at the players we have gotten recently in the 4th round. Do Kerry Rhodes and Leon Washington mean anything to any Jet fan? Exactly my point. And yes I agree that a 4th straight up for Vilma would be a little much, but we got more than that. If Vilma meets certain standards and resigns we can upgrade our 2009 4th-rounder to a 3rd or 2nd. So essentially we would be getting a 2nd or 3rd for Vilma (as we get a 4th but also give one up), which is far better than nothing, especially because of Tannenbaum's and Mangini's apparent ability to draft. And if we don't get this 2009 pick, then that means Vilma was probably not as great as he was pre-injury. Either way, we got something for him, and if we held on to him we would have gotten nothing. So we have to move on from our love of J-Vilm and look to the future.

Now to the Jenkins trade. I love the move. Yes we gave up a 3rd and 5th round pick, but we needed a NT. An NT is probably the most important position in the 3-4, and hopefully Jenkins can fill the void at the position we have had since we switched to the 3-4. If Jenkins can play NT, which I think he fully has the ability to, this would be a huge steal. A 3rd and a 5th round pick is definitely a good deal for a stud NT. Just look at the success of the Pats 3-4 defense. This success is largely generated from the NT's (Wilfork for the Pats) ability to eat up enough space to free up the DE's and more importantly the LB's. Mangini knew he had to bring in an NT, so he did.

Now to the Free Agent signings...I was ecstatic over the Faneca signing. Ever since the season ended, he was my top choice for the team. He is an elite LG, making 7 Pro Bowls in 10 years. Granted he is a little on the old side and we did throw a lot of cash his way, nowadays you have to give up this kind of money to get someone as good as he is. The addition of Faneca not only gives us a proven vet on our young improving line, but it will definitely help in the development of D'Brick and Mangold. They hae alwyas been missing the player in between them, and the fact that it is a proven vet just makes it all better. This move should have really solidified the left side of our line. Now our QB, whoever that may be will have his blind side protected by 3 who should all be elite at their respective positions soon. Also our RB (whether it's TJ, Leon, or McFadden) should have a left side to run behind...Now to the Woody signing. I really wasn't a big fan of him as a player, but RT was definitely a need we had. I thought we were going to draft one in Round 2 with the great depth in this draft. However, this move gives us another veteran to shore up our line. And with this flexiblity, we can still draft a RT to develop behind Woody. I know he doesn't have much experience at RT, but Mangini has experience with him from his days in NE (where Woody was a Pro Bowl C). Hopefully, Woody will be able to be the RT we so desperately need, which judging by his success in the role at the end of last season, he very well could be...Now to Calvin Pace. Although I am not a huge fan of the player we used to fill the need we had as a pass-rushing OLB, I still like the move. Yes, I would rather have Gholston in this role, it is looking more and more like he won't be left at our pick, and I think Tangini realized this. Also, if we were in a bidding war with Bill Parcells (coached the real LT and Demarcus Ware as I'm sure everyone knows) over a 3-4 OLB, he has to be a pretty good player. I do think we overspent a little, but you have to give some to get some. Also, apparently, he has the flexibility to move inside to ILB so if Gholston is left, we may still take him, which i would love to do...As for Woofolk, I don't think he is much, but we definitely needed at least some veteran CB, but i hope we can get Poteat back, because i think he is a solid player, especially in a nickel role (which means we need a #2 CB, probably in the draft). Also, I think this may lead to the release of David Barrett.

Now if only we can get rid of Robertson to clear up some cap space, i would call this a pretty damn succesful offseason.

Well, I hope you enjoy my monologue, and I hope I can stay an active member of the forum.
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I just read on RealGM, so i dont konw how reliable it is, that if he is there at #4, the Raiders will take Run DMC.

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As soon as the Raiders' staff got word of Darren McFadden’s blazing 40 time at the Combine, they all resigned themselves that he is the pick no matter what they need or who else is available, according to RealGM's Jeff Risdon.
I can't say I'm surprised becuase it's Al Davis and McFadden is so athletically gifted. If this is true, I guess that puts an end to the McFadden talks, which might not be such a bad thing. If he were left at our pick, it would be very hard not to take him, but i dont know if that would be the best pick. If we were to somehow end up with him, i wouldnt be dissapointed but i dont know that it would be such a great pick for us. with the line weve built, TJ and Leon should thrive. Hopefully, we can just have someone who isnt afraid to get into the end zone.


Now if Gholston, Long, and McFadden are all gone...where do we turn? I think CB is the most glaring need. WR and DE depth (and of course you cant have to many LBs in the 3-4, just look at the pats) are also spots of need but I don't think 6th pick need. and although there are no CBs worthy of 6th pick, i am warming up to the idea of taking mckelvin, DRC, or mike jenkins (in no specific order...i think DRC is my favorite of the 3 but i dont wanna get caught up in the hype and just fall in love with him even though i didnt know much about pre-2008)....IF WE STAY AT 6
it looks like we wont be trading down with dallas because they want McFadden but its lokoing like hell be gone by our pick too. if gholston long and mcfadden are all gone, and it seems almost definite that long wont fall past 5, it looks like either dorsey or ryan will be left at our pick (or both). then hopefully we can trade down a little to a team wanting one of the 2, so that we cant draft one of the top CBs at better value. if matt ryan drops to us, i could see baltimore and carolina trying to jump up to our pick. itll be interesting to see what happens
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Welcome back man. Nice to have another Jets fan who actively participates in our discussion.
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Ok, so I was reading some article from the NY Daily News I believe, via www.prosportsdaily.com and Tanny was talking about how the Jets had already bought the suite (Faneca, Jenkins etc. meaning addressing the big needs with big players) and now just needed to buy some neck ties (meaning role players for depth and backups etc. and one of the people listed as a potential "neck tie" was RB Jesse Chatman of the Dolphins....this leads me to believe that our FO realizes our running game is very solid at the moment and perhaps even if available, the luxury of McFadden is not worth it and we'd either straight up pass on him or trade out. This is just what I inferred based on a story, but I'm very pleased with that. I don't think we need to look for an RB in the first two rounds of the draft, and despite the big moves we've made already, we still have some positions that can be upgraded and I don't think we're in any position to make luxury picks really...
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