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Old 01-31-2007, 07:40 AM    (permalink
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okoye will be long gone by then, and after jay moore's senior bowl he will be at least a day 1 pick
And again, that mock draft was from November
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someone else also said taking jay moore as a DE. hes def gonna be a OLB in the nfl. and he especially isnt a DE in the 3-4.
Jay moore is a bull rusher with some speed and hes 280 lbs thats the mold of a 34 de if he was a little bigger like 285 hes fine[/quote]
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I dont know about Aarron Ross. He leaves me skeptical. He messed up at workouts but did great while playing so the jury is still out for me. I think we should either get the best man to man guy in Chris Houston or the best zone coverage guy in Tanard Jackson. What do you guys think?
Personally I'm a Houston fan. Jackson would be okay, and I could see us picking Hughes as well. It's tough to say who we're going to pick now, as they're definitely pretty much going to be all high character guys. It'll be easier to tell after interviews and such.
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a couple of you guys said taking tank in 2a. i think hell be long gone by then, but it would be great if we got him there. but hes def not a mangini player, and its never gonna happen. someone else also said taking jay moore as a DE. hes def gonna be a OLB in the nfl. and he especially isnt a DE in the 3-4.

1-tyler/carriker
2a-aaron ross
2b-tony hunt
3-jason hill
tyler's range for where he could go is actually from maybe from the mid 20's (where the Jets are) to the mid 2nd round. Its not that far fetched to see him fall to us in the 2nd yet alone the first, sorry Rao. AS for Moore i saw him and actually thought he would fit in the 3-4. Whats the worst case scenario, he fails so we stand him up and move him back. Its a win-win.
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I will be trying to make this realistic, so I'm sorry to say the Jets will not get all of the top FAs this offseason.

Free Agent Signings:

1. Daniel Graham TE

Coming from a Patriot team that loves to use the TE, Mangini will sign one of his former players to help out at the TE position that needs a little help. Don't get me wrong, Chris Baker is alright, but he could definitely be improved.

2. Vince Manuwai LG

This will be the BIG free agent signing for the Jets this offseason. The Jets offensive line has holes at only two spots and that is LG and RT. The Jets will try to fill those holes and get one of the best free agents on the market. Pete Kendall is getting old and has been garbage. Now we gain a young Vince Manuwai to take his place and will soon be on our way to one of the top offensive lines in the NFL (Ferguson-Manuwai-Mangold-Moore-Black).

3. Jordan Black RT

The BIGGEST need on the Jets offense is RT. Anthony Clement and Adrian Jones have been pretty bad to say the least. With the signing of Black, we have officially completed our offensive line. Black comes from what used to be the best offensive line (Chiefs) in the NFL to the Jets new and improved o-line. He will be a starter right away.

4. Michael "the Burner" Turner RB

At this point, the Jets do not know what they will get out of Leon Washington and Cedric Houston. This may change as the season goes on, but for right now, running back is conisidered a need. Turner, at 237 pounds, has great speed and is a very valuable player. It is not known that he will be able to carry the entire load at running back, but that is where Leon, Cedric, and Barlow come in. The Jets will more than likely use a 3 running back system with Turner getting the bulk of the carries (Turner 15-20 Carries, Leon 5-10 Carries, Cedric 2-7).

Other Possibilities:
-Max Starks RT
-Adalius Thomas OLB
-Eric Steinbach OG
-Derrick Dockery OG
-Asante Samuel CB

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Round 1- LaMarr Woodley DE/OLB, Michigan

As a result of the Jets failing to sign a pass rusher, the Jets decide to fulfill that need through the draft. Victor Hobson has been a disappointment at this point in his career. The former 2nd Round pick will now ride the bench and help the team as much as he can. Woodley will immediately put a SOLB to help out the Jets AWFUL pass rushing. Hopefully, with this pick, the Jets can complete their LB group and stop worrying their lack of pass rush. Many may question Woodley's ability to play the 3-4 but I feel that Woodley definitely has the tools to be one of the league's elite.

Round 2a (from the Redskins)- Amobi Okoye NT, Louisville

Now that the Jets improved the pass rush, they need to improve their run stopping ability. The most important part of the 3-4 defense is the NT and the Jets have virtually no one. Robertson has looked impressive at times, but other times has looked pitiful. Okoye is one of the few players in this draft who could possibly play 3-4 NT. Another plus is that he is only 19 years old! Okoye had the chance to go to Harvard so he has the smarts that the Jets look for. It may take a few years to get to where the Jets want him to be, but when he is ready, he will be among the elite.

Round 2b- Daymeion Hughes CB, California

The Jets pass defense is alright but nothing special. If Justin Miller is going to keep returning kicks, he can not start. Andre Dyson is a journey man so who knows how long he will be here. David Barrett is getting up there in age and isn't the best man to man corner. Drew Coleman has been a nice surprise for a 6th round pick and has been a starter throughout this year. The Jets need a CB that could possibly play #1 or play as the #2 corner until Dyson is gone.

Round 3- Steve Smith WR, USC

Jerricho Cotchery has emerged as the future for the Jets at WR but with Coles about to enter his 30s, the Jets need to look for a future #2. Both Clemens and Pennington don't have the greatest arms so they need possession receivers. Though the Jets have Justin McCareins and Brad Smith, Brad Smith will continue to do what he has done and possibly move up to an Antwaan Randle El role as the #3 WR and come in for trick plays. McCareins has been a big disappointment so he will be traded or cut which will leave the #3 WR spot for Steve Smith. Brad Smith isn't ready for #3 yet so in 2-3 years, look for both Smiths to move up the depth chart.

*Round 4 (Lost to 49ers for Kevan Barlow)*

Round 5- Jay Moore DE

Shaun Ellis and Kimo von Oelhoffen are getting up there in age (especially Kimo). Ellis has another 3-4 good years left and Kimo has maybe one. The Jets will need a 3-4 DE to replace them when their time is done so this is a pick that builds for the future.

Round 6a- BPA

Round 6b- BPA

Round 7- BPA

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If that was our offseason, would you guys still be happy?
That is an awful, unrealistic draft and off season plan. But on the bright side you show a tremendous ability to cut and paste.
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It was in November.
The guys still a little pissed after our last conflict.


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BTW, if that really did happen, and we got all of those players, Johnny4, you would call that an awful offseason? I know it is unrealistic TODAY, but if it somehow did happen, you would call it awful? Whatever floats your boat man.
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BTW, if that really did happen, and we got all of those players, Johnny4, you would call that an awful offseason? I know it is unrealistic TODAY, but if it somehow did happen, you would call it awful? Whatever floats your boat man.
Sure. I'll go point by point if you want.
Graham- Toast. He was a Pats team captain and they think has has nothing left.
V.W.-Good player. But why replace Kendall, he is older, but was still your best OL.
Black- Would be an improvement at RT.
Turner-asking price is a big contract and first rounder-No thanks. For our 2nd #2 we'll talk.
Woodley- His stock dropped like a rock at the senior Bowl
Okoye-Will be picked by #15 write it down.
Hughes- His stock is on the rise-projected first round on many boards.
Smith-will be there. but I like this round to address the OL
Jay Moore- Got whipped in drills at the Senior Bowl-I watched it with my own 2 eyes.
So yes. There are some good things, but it is so far fetched at this point it is incredible. Plus even with our cap room(22 mill?) we still couldn't afford all those contracts. I didn't know it was originally posted in Nov.
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Jay Moore- Got whipped in drills at the Senior Bowl-I watched it with my own 2 eyes.
Jay moore played really well at the Senior Bowl. They said he improved his stock from a late day 1- mid day 2 to a 2nd or 3rd rounder. He played well in the game similar to Tony Hunt (another guy the Jets like) don't be surprised if the Jets take Moore in the 3rd and or Hunt in the 2nd(B) or 3rd.
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Jay Moore- Got whipped in drills at the Senior Bowl-I watched it with my own 2 eyes.
Jay moore played really well at the Senior Bowl. They said he improved his stock from a late day 1- mid day 2 to a 2nd or 3rd rounder. He played well in the game similar to Tony Hunt (another guy the Jets like) don't be surprised if the Jets take Moore in the 3rd and or Hunt in the 2nd(B) or 3rd.
I loved Tony Hunt, but wasn't impressed at all by Moore. He looked stiff and got whipped in the drills I watched. I know he played well and showed consistency and Scott liked him, but not enough to put him on his stock up list.He played well in the game(3 sacks) but didn't strike me as a starter. I'm a little jaded, because we need a special player at that position and would like to get Carriker.
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It was in November.
The guys still a little pissed after our last conflict.


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How would you guys feel if we went Daymeion Hughes and Ben Grubbs with our first 2 picks, in either order? Just hypothetically.
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How would you guys feel if we went Daymeion Hughes and Ben Grubbs with our first 2 picks, in either order? Just hypothetically.
I like Grubbs, but i don't love Hughes. I like that he'll prolly fall cause of his speed and that wont hurt him so much for us.
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How would you guys feel if we went Daymeion Hughes and Ben Grubbs with our first 2 picks, in either order? Just hypothetically.
I like Grubbs, but i don't love Hughes. I like that he'll prolly fall cause of his speed and that wont hurt him so much for us.
If Hughes runs poorly I'd like him with our second second or our third but if he runs well I wouldn't mind him earlier. Seems like a good fit for our defense and our team overall.
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As I see draft day aproach, more and more people that we are looking at are getting within reach while the guys we need are dropping. My draft would kind of be like...

1. Houston/Revis/Hall
2a. Tyler
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I know you guys dont like Francis but Mangini could pull a Belicheck and he definetly has the size of a 3-4 DE at 6'3 290 lbs.
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How would you guys feel if we went Daymeion Hughes and Ben Grubbs with our first 2 picks, in either order? Just hypothetically.
im not high on hughes at all. i think there are better CBs that we can get even later in the draft. i like grubbs, but i think that OG is the least important position on the OL, and we can draft other more needed positions. i do think grubbs is good though
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As I see draft day aproach, more and more people that we are looking at are getting within reach while the guys we need are dropping. My draft would kind of be like...

1. Houston/Revis/Hall
2a. Tyler
2b. Leonard
3. Alama-Francis/Moore

I know you guys dont like Francis but Mangini could pull a Belicheck and he definetly has the size of a 3-4 DE at 6'3 290 lbs.
i like all 3 of those CBs a lot, but we could just wait until round 2 to take one. i LOVE tyler as a 3-4 NT, but hes not a mangini guy and it will never happen. i LOVE leonard too, but id rather see hunt or bush there. and francis and moore im not sure about. francis has ideal size but no one knows enough about his play, and i dont think moore is a 3-4 guy
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Jason Hill is rising on people's boards, if we really want to snag him we'd probably have to take him with 2b. That might be a reach but from what I've heard from you he seems like a great prospect and I wouldn't mind taking him at 2b if Hunt or Irons weren't there.
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Just a question, what is Eric Barton's trade value and what FA do you guys think we will look into? And NOT the high price guys.
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Jason Hill is rising on people's boards, if we really want to snag him we'd probably have to take him with 2b. That might be a reach but from what I've heard from you he seems like a great prospect and I wouldn't mind taking him at 2b if Hunt or Irons weren't there.
I would. I think he's good but not worthy of a second rounder. Higgins or Stuckey in 3rd/4th>>>Hill in the 2nd IMO.
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I think we might be able to move him, depending on his contract- probably for a 2nd day pick- I would like to get rid of him to make way for a better MLB compliment to Vilma (Chatham, Kassell, Schlegel????)
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How would you guys feel if we went Daymeion Hughes and Ben Grubbs with our first 2 picks, in either order? Just hypothetically.
im not high on hughes at all. i think there are better CBs that we can get even later in the draft. i like grubbs, but i think that OG is the least important position on the OL, and we can draft other more needed positions. i do think grubbs is good though
Any particular reason you don't like Hughes? Zone guy, decent fit for our system, we'll see how he runs. More I think about it, we might pick up Manuel Ramirez at some point, he seems like he'd be a good fit for the team.
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How would you guys feel if we went Daymeion Hughes and Ben Grubbs with our first 2 picks, in either order? Just hypothetically.
im not high on hughes at all. i think there are better CBs that we can get even later in the draft. i like grubbs, but i think that OG is the least important position on the OL, and we can draft other more needed positions. i do think grubbs is good though
Any particular reason you don't like Hughes? Zone guy, decent fit for our system, we'll see how he runs. More I think about it, we might pick up Manuel Ramirez at some point, he seems like he'd be a good fit for the team.
I liked Ramirez. He was a pitbull in practice but something tells me he will have some character issues. I hope not, though. He would be a beast in B. Moore's spot.
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