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Old 04-19-2010, 05:17 PM    (permalink
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Maybe its just me, but you never seem satisfied with ANY move the Eagles make.
Well, they're not good moves, so....

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Do you spend a lot of your time calling into the radio?
I'm working 70 hours per week right now. I don't exactly have time to do so, nor would I want to.

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He played in Detroit. Look at the guys he played behind. Lets at least give him a chance in the Eagles system before we write him off. He definitely did not fit Schwartz's cover 2 scheme.
Which is great, since, you know, 220-pound fast LBs aren't a perfect fit for the Cover 2 or anything.

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And to the people that say "ZOMGZ NOES SLB!!!1", SLB in this defense has changed. Its not what it was with JJ. SLB is not a guy who can cover well and playing the run is his best asset. We dont need a guy thats the size of a mack truck and runs like a gazelle if he cant cover.
You can't have a 220-pound SLB. Ever.

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Not to mention, we rotate our LBs a ridiculous amount. Ernie Sims > any 5th round LB we would have taken.
For this year, maybe.
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And to the people that say "ZOMGZ NOES SLB!!!1",
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SLB in this defense has changed.
Ugh okay what has it changed into?

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Its not what it was with JJ. SLB is not a guy who can cover well and playing the run is his best asset.
Yeah but thats what the Eagles want their SLB to do. Since SLB does covers the TE 90% of the time, and has to play the run good, in the Eagles defense. Or else Chris Gocong would have been benched a Loooonng time ago. Eagles got torched by the TE on a regular basis.

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We dont need a guy thats the size of a mack truck and runs like a gazelle if he cant cover.
But you can't have a undersized Lb in the SLB or else how do you expect him to play the run, blitz and shed blockers.

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Not to mention, we rotate our LBs a ridiculous amount. Ernie Sims > any 5th round LB we would have taken.

Do you really want a 5-11/6 foot Lb covering a 6-5 TE?
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Let's recap this offseason, shall we?

In:
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Marlin Jackson
Mike Bell
Darryl Tapp

Out:
Donovan McNabb
Sheldon Brown
Shawn Andrews
Brian Westbrook
Will Witherspoon

Can you say championship?!
Imagine if you heard in the 2007 season that in 3 years McNabb, Westbrook (was his best season), Shawn Andrews (made the pro bowl), Sheldon Brown, and Brian Westbrook were all cut or traded, and Brian Dawkins would be in Denver I think I would cry back then, but now I am only just sad to see McNabb gone, still want B-Dawk back, and disappointed in Shawn Andrews huge decline
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Ok, I missed out, what did we give up for Simms?
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Ok, I missed out, what did we give up for Simms?
a 5th round pick, low risk, high reward kind of a deal. Sims was pretty terrible for Detroit, he seemed to lose interest, motivation and all that stuff, hopefully in an agressive scheme like the Eagles he can revive his career and get back on track, because he was very good as a rookie.
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Ok, I missed out, what did we give up for Simms?
It was a 3 way trade. We traded a 5th rounder to Denver, who traded Tony Scheffler and a 7th rounder to Detroit, who traded us Sims.
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WE GOT ONE OF DETROIT'S BUSTS!!!!!!!!!

Party time! Eagles making big moves, bitches!
I dunno how you consider a perennial 100+ tackle LB a bust. For people saying he could play SLB that is absolutely ridiculous. He is a perfect fit at the weakside spot. He was banged up all last season with a shoulder injury and wasn't playing his best football, but now that he's healthy I think he can do quite well here.

Sims is extremely fast and is truly a sideline to sideline LB. I think he will be a pretty damn good WLB for us and am saying it right now, I expect he will start this season.

This move is the silver lining for what has otherwise been a terrible offseason.
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I dunno how you consider a perennial 100+ tackle LB a bust. For people saying he could play SLB that is absolutely ridiculous. He is a perfect fit at the weakside spot. He was banged up all last season with a shoulder injury and wasn't playing his best football, but now that he's healthy I think he can do quite well here.

Sims is extremely fast and is truly a sideline to sideline LB. I think he will be a pretty damn good WLB for us and am saying it right now, I expect he will start this season.

This move is the silver lining for what has otherwise been a terrible offseason.
I'm just going to jump in for Sniper and point out that Ernie Sims has been absolutely awful for the past two seasons. As in probably one of the worst starters at LB in the NFL. He has been THAT bad. He overruns plays, he can't rush the passer on blitzes and he is terrible in coverage, not to mention he always goes for the knockout and misses tackles. He really only brings potential and athleticism, could he improve? Yes, there is no where to go but up. But I think that it is no coincidence that his two terrible seasons coincide with Detroit's terrible seasons, I think he lost all motivation and maybe he could get that back while playing for a team that consistently competes.
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Ernie Sims' combine numbers:
Height: 5111
Weight: 231
40 Yrd Dash: 4.50
20 Yrd Dash: 2.64
10 Yrd Dash: 1.54 (thats .01 slower than DeSean Jackson)
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 25
Vertical Jump: 41
Broad Jump: 10'05"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.23 (.04 slower than DeSean Jackson)
3-Cone Drill: 7.32

Those are incredible workout numbers, INCREDIBLE.
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Ernie Sims' combine numbers:
Height: 5111
Weight: 231
40 Yrd Dash: 4.50
20 Yrd Dash: 2.64
10 Yrd Dash: 1.54 (thats .01 slower than DeSean Jackson)
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 25
Vertical Jump: 41
Broad Jump: 10'05"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.23 (.04 slower than DeSean Jackson)
3-Cone Drill: 7.32

Those are incredible workout numbers, INCREDIBLE.
A damn shame that he's just not good at football.
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I dunno how you consider a perennial 100+ tackle LB a bust.
High amount of tackles =/= a good player.
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A damn shame that he's just not good at football.
Well... he WAS good for the first two seasons and then he just sucked at life and was completely terrible for the past two seasons.
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He has had 2 bad seasons but meh worth the risk. If he doesn't pan out he doesn't not like we gave up alot to get him. He has the physical tools as of speed to be a playmaker just now can the Eagles use him and can he do what is asked. Really he is in a contract year and is only 25 wont be 26 till December.

He is undersized but has the speed to be a bit more smothering then most LB's in coverage He needs some more work a bit of a project still but really better chance him panning out then a 5th round pick.
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Do you really want a 5-11/6 foot Lb covering a 6-5 TE?
Hey! I said that earlier, lol, and with Witten, its much more than a 6" difference.
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I dunno how you consider a perennial 100+ tackle LB a bust. For people saying he could play SLB that is absolutely ridiculous. He is a perfect fit at the weakside spot. He was banged up all last season with a shoulder injury and wasn't playing his best football, but now that he's healthy I think he can do quite well here.

Sims is extremely fast and is truly a sideline to sideline LB. I think he will be a pretty damn good WLB for us and am saying it right now, I expect he will start this season.

This move is the silver lining for what has otherwise been a terrible offseason.
This offseason is mixed reviews for me... I liked getting Tapp. I'm uncertain about Jackson, I'm indifferent towards the Bell signing, don't like the McNabb trade, and am kind of indifferent about this trade, though I feel like it can only go more positive than anything.

Also, Sims is a WLB, and nothing else, gotta agree with you there.
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This Sims trade seems like the LB equivalent to when we traded for Lorenzo Booker. I just hope the results are better than that trade.
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I dunno how you consider a perennial 100+ tackle LB a bust.
I definately think this is a low risk move for you guys that can pan out in a big way, no denying. But if you have to wonder why the #9 overall pick a few years back is being called a bust now, I'd suggest not correlating real life with Madden ratings.


When is the last time you have ever heard of a top 10 pick getting traded for a 5th round pick a few years later, and the player not being considered a bust? Besides, how hard is it to rack up tackles playing for Detroit?
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Ernie Sims' combine numbers:
Height: 5111
Weight: 231
40 Yrd Dash: 4.50
20 Yrd Dash: 2.64
10 Yrd Dash: 1.54 (thats .01 slower than DeSean Jackson)
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 25
Vertical Jump: 41
Broad Jump: 10'05"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.23 (.04 slower than DeSean Jackson)
3-Cone Drill: 7.32

Those are incredible workout numbers, INCREDIBLE.
Almost all FSU DE, and Lbs put up monstrousness numbers for the combine, and are athletic freaks in general. Lawrence Timmons has come pretty crazy numbers as well. But the problem is they can't ever translate that to the field, or in the pros.

He did have a lot of tackles, but look at his solo tackles 71, 97, 81.
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Anyway, this is low risk - high reward just like the Marlin Jackson signing. If he doesn't pan out, we blew a 5th round pick. If he does pan out, we got ourselves a starting WLB.

There's nothing to hate about this move, guys.

I really like the way this FO has been doing things this offseason. It's almost as if the Eagles have been drafting people before the draft even begins!

5th round pick - Daryll Tapp from Seattle
5th round pick - Ernie Sims from Detroit
UDFA - Marlin Jackson from Indy
UDFA - Alex Hall from Cleveland

Hey, look, we just drafted 4 potential starters on defense! And we still have 10 draft picks left! Woohoo!
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Thats true low round picks aren't going to pan out much better. At least this way you have experienced ST players at worst.
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Oh yeah, forgot Mike Bell too.

Seriously, has any other team added so many "potential" starters this offseason as the Eagles?

I mean, damn, some teams would be thrilled just to have this kind of haul in the DRAFT:

RB Mike Bell (UDFA, 2006)
LB Ernie Simms (1st round pick, Detroit, 2006)
DE Daryl Tapp (2nd round pick, Seattle, 2006)
LB Alex Hall (7th round pick, Cleveland, 2008)
CB Marlin Jackson (1st round pick, Colts, 2005)

Look at that. All relatively young players with alot of upside. It's like a draft class, seriously. And then we still have all of those players who are going to come in from the draft proper. Wow.

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Potential wise its a great move, but lets be honest how many of them do you expect it turn it on now? If they aren't preforming already whats going to make them turn it on now?

Maybe 1 or 2 of those guys might, but its not like the Eagles signed any superstars.
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High amount of tackles =/= a good player.
exactly, Bo Ruud was the leader in tackles what like 2 years ago for most of the year. Was he by any chance a top LB? Not a chance. Tampa's run defense was less than up to par and Ruud benefited with inflated tackle numbers.

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Oh yeah, forgot Mike Bell too.

Seriously, has any other team added so many "potential" starters this offseason as the Eagles?

I mean, damn, some teams would be thrilled just to have this kind of haul in the DRAFT:

RB Mike Bell (UDFA, 2006)
LB Ernie Simms (1st round pick, Detroit, 2006)
DE Daryl Tapp (2nd round pick, Seattle, 2006)
LB Alex Hall (7th round pick, Cleveland, 2008)
CB Marlin Jackson (1st round pick, Colts, 2005)

Look at that. All relatively young players with alot of upside. It's like a draft class, seriously. And then we still have all of those players who are going to come in from the draft proper. Wow.
Just because they were picked high doesn't mean they will be great. It means what it means, they were highly regarded in the year they came out. Their value isn't correlated in the NFL.
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BaLLin: I know. That's why they are "potential" picks, not "definite starters".

Again, it's just like the draft. You take a chance on someone with potential in the draft, that is the exact same thing the Eagles are doing picking up the unwanted former high draft picks of other teams in hopes that they will flourish in their system.

I'll bet you money at least 1 of these guys pans out and becomes a solid starter for the Eagles next year (Tapp, Jackson, Sims, Bell, Hall).
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Im from Detroit, and saw more than enough of Simms. He is over agresive and misses many tackles. He has horrible angle skills and cant cover for the sake of jerrys kids. Most of his tackles come from behind and very rarely does he make a tackle head on. Mcd, has his hands full on trying to work him into a LB. That being said, I agree with Thump, its a low risk deal.
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