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This is true, Kyle Boller is smart and realizes he is an NFL player and he takes a cab or gets a limo.
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Kyle Boller doesn't have friends. Except for that piece of armcandy he bought.
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But he allowed a friend to drive drunk and got in the car with a drunk driver, he is an idiot!
Perhaps. But how do we really know how all that went down? How do you know that he "let" his brother in law drive drunk? How do you even know that his brother in law WAS drunk. And if McNair was drunk, then why would we expect him to be fully capable of policing his brother? Don't you think it's ridiculous to just assume that everything went down the way you imagine it in your head?
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Perhaps. But how do we really know how all that went down? How do you know that he "let" his brother in law drive drunk? How do you even know that his brother in law WAS drunk. And if McNair was drunk, then why would we expect him to be fully capable of policing his brother? Don't you think it's ridiculous to just assume that everything went down the way you imagine it in your head?

Well his brother got a DUI so he was drunk, its very easy to police friends who are tryin to drive drunk. No I dont think that is ridiculous at all.
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More like th ambassador of fumbling atleast 1 snap a game and tripping over his feet once a game also.
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Well his brother got a DUI so he was drunk, its very easy to police friends who are tryin to drive drunk. No I dont I think that is ridiculous at all.
It's erroneous to state as fact that just because he got a DUI, that he was actually above the legal limit. He refused the breathalyzer, so that's where the DUI charge comes in. Is it likely that he was actually above the legal limit? Yes, I think it's reasonable to assume that. But it is not fact. And no, it is not necessarily easy to police people who are attempting to drive drunk. There is no reason for us to assume that McNair was even aware of his brothers intoxication level. Also, it is unreasonable to expect a person who is drunk themselves, to police the actions of others who are in the same state of mind. Sounds to me as though McNair had been drinking himself. If it is illegal to drive drunk because the level of impairment negatively affects judgment and reaction time, then why would we expect a person who is drunk to be able to police others?
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There is no reason for us to assume that McNair was even aware of his brothers intoxication level.
i don't know about everyone else, but i've seen people do really good impressions of acting sober.


and title... nice change from favre and mcnair being homeboys. sorry. i might be the only one who thought your original post was rather funny
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and title... nice change from favre and mcnair being homeboys. sorry. i might be the only one who thought your original post was rather funny
Exactly. I've known plenty of people who are functioning alcoholics that do a great job of hiding it. That's just one of many reasons why McNair should not be punished for another man's actions.
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I can see where the law is coming from - if you knowingly allow someone who you know is intoxicated to drive your car, you should be punished. It is a little vague and open to debate, but I think it's one of those "prove you didn't know" rather than "prove that he did know" kind of laws, because if you were out together drinking, the law shouldn't have to prove you looked over, saw him drink, and then handed him the keys knowingly, that would be impossible.

I'm not sure it should be treated as a DUI though. Anyway I doubt he gets in much trouble, from the law or the NFL.
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I can see where the law is coming from - if you knowingly allow someone who you know is intoxicated to drive your car, you should be punished. It is a little vague and open to debate, but I think it's one of those "prove you didn't know" rather than "prove that he did know" kind of laws, because if you were out together drinking, the law shouldn't have to prove you looked over, saw him drink, and then handed him the keys knowingly, that would be impossible.

I'm not sure it should be treated as a DUI though. Anyway I doubt he gets in much trouble, from the law or the NFL.
So you subscribe to the whole guilty until proven innocent school of thought huh? The onus of proof should ALWAYS be on the prosecution. No matter the charge.
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As far as the law goes, I think it is more of a deterrent than anything. I guess the lawmakers there felt the whole 'friends don't let friends drive drunk' campaign wasn't effective enough. I'm guessing it is there just to hassle the guy that lets someone else drive drunk so that next time the individual is in a situation where they need a driver, they will be more likely to think about the consequences. I actually like it assuming that McNair dosn't get into much trouble, he should get community service at most.
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As far as the law goes, I think it is more of a deterrent than anything. I guess the lawmakers there felt the whole 'friends don't let friends drive drunk' campaign wasn't effective enough. I'm guessing it is there just to hassle the guy that lets someone else drive drunk so that next time the individual is in a situation where they need a driver, they will be more likely to think about the consequences. I actually like it assuming that McNair dosn't actually get into much trouble, he should get community service at most.
Yeah, I'm all for anything that will get drunk drivers off the road. Within reason. I think they're taking it too far with this though. I'd rather see them require automobile manufacturers to install a breathalizer-ignition device. That wouldn't be perfect, but at least we wouldn't be punishing innocent people.
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Yeah, I'm all for anything that will get drunk drivers off the road. Within reason. I think they're taking it too far with this though. I'd rather see them require automobile manufacturers to install a breathalizer-ignition device. That wouldn't be perfect, but at least we wouldn't be punishing innocent people.
I don't think that the brethalizer-ignition device would do anything because someone could just blow it for them (pun intended) and innocent people would get mad if it didn't work and they had to breath into some thing every time they get in a vehicle. It could be unsanitary for them if multiple people use a car and it could take a while (I don't know how long it takes for a breathalizer to process the air but I'm sure it takes longer than just putting a key in the ignition or now pushing a button.)
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I don't think that the brethalizer-ignition device would do anything because someone could just blow it for them (pun intended) and innocent people would get mad if it didn't work and they had to breath into some thing every time they get in a vehicle. It could be unsanitary for them if multiple people use a car and it could take a while (I don't know how long it takes for a breathalizer to process the air but I'm sure it takes longer than just putting a key in the ignition or now pushing a button.)
Yeah, I agree with a lot of that. Although there are ways around some of your concerns. I was just saying that I would be much more in favor of something as extreme as that, before I would advocate arresting an innocent man.
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It is a little vague and open to debate, but I think it's one of those "prove you didn't know" rather than "prove that he did know" kind of laws, because if you were out together drinking, the law shouldn't have to prove you looked over, saw him drink, and then handed him the keys knowingly, that would be impossible.
You assume that he handed him the keys after they the drinking, rather than before they went out in the first place. I know that when I get voted into being designated driver I like to use my mates good car over my heap of junk and he is normally cool with that. I get the keys at the start of the night, if I were to drink during the night, I would still have the keys, he wouldn't be giving them to me knowing I was drunk.

Personally, the whole law is stupid, imo. You cant punish a guy for someone else choosing to DUI, I mean McNair(I assume he was drunk) made the decision not to drink drive, I dont see how you can punish a guy for that just because he owns the car.

Lets assume that someone is driving their mum or dads car and they are drink driving, are the parents punishable because they let their kid drive their car even though the parents arent even there and didnt know that their kid was going to DUI in the car? How far does this law stretch? Should it still be used if a person is 3 times the limit lets a guy that is 2 times the limit drive instead. It is infact a responsible action, but still allowing a drunk driver to use your car.

Stupid law in short.
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Kinda suprising, I didn't think he was much of a drinker.
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i'm stoked to see you're still pulling for boller. i was basically alone in defending him while you were gone.
Well Im certainly not gonna turn on Kyle for some rent-a-titan in McNair.
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