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Old 05-10-2007, 05:25 PM    (permalink
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When you've been banned from the NFL for a year and your future as a freeman is in question because of an event at a strip club, you'd probably think going to another one before a meeting with the league commisioner is a bad idea.

Would you wear this to court if you were on trial for prostituting women?
Only if I had a bottle of baby powder in my pocket for slapping purposes.
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I'm sorry...it became a sin to go to the strip club the night before a meeting um...when?

Does no one see anything wrong with the media actually making something out of this?

Does no one think it's kind of pathetic that this guys is being ripped apart AGAIN because he went to the STRIP CLUB? Why? Cause he had an important meeting the next day? Do you know what he did at this club that makes this move so vile?

Anyway, have fun on your high horses. It must be fun to be able to judge someone with so little info.

Nothing even happened...but all of us know 'ol Pac Man...there was DEFINITELY something evil happening that night.
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it seems people are missing the point. the point is not that he should be in trouble for going to a strip club, but that he might as well have walked into goodell's office, slapped him and walked back out. it's complete disrespect and looks from the outside like all pacman's talk about "changing" is utter and compelte BS. if he wanted to have any chance of playing ball this year, that was a moronic decision no matter how you feel about strip clubs.
He should have tooted his own horn instead of going to the club.
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I'm sorry...it became a sin to go to the strip club the night before a meeting um...when?

Does no one see anything wrong with the media actually making something out of this?

Does no one think it's kind of pathetic that this guys is being ripped apart AGAIN because he went to the STRIP CLUB? Why? Cause he had an important meeting the next day? Do you know what he did at this club that makes this move so vile?

Anyway, have fun on your high horses. It must be fun to be able to judge someone with so little info.

Nothing even happened...but all of us know 'ol Pac Man...there was DEFINITELY something evil happening that night.
You're missing the point, and it's already been explained in this thread (see njx's post right above this).
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it seems people are missing the point. the point is not that he should be in trouble for going to a strip club, but that he might as well have walked into goodell's office, slapped him and walked back out. it's complete disrespect and looks from the outside like all pacman's talk about "changing" is utter and compelte BS. if he wanted to have any chance of playing ball this year, that was a moronic decision no matter how you feel about strip clubs.
I'm sorry...but this is for going to the strip club where NOTHING happened.

The only reason this is even a story is because the American media is absolutely pathetic, and fans are bored and dying for news.
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I'm sorry...it became a sin to go to the strip club the night before a meeting um...when?

Does no one see anything wrong with the media actually making something out of this?

Does no one think it's kind of pathetic that this guys is being ripped apart AGAIN because he went to the STRIP CLUB? Why? Cause he had an important meeting the next day? Do you know what he did at this club that makes this move so vile?

Anyway, have fun on your high horses. It must be fun to be able to judge someone with so little info.

Nothing even happened...but all of us know 'ol Pac Man...there was DEFINITELY something evil happening that night.
Read the post directly above yours
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I'm sorry...but this is for going to the strip club where NOTHING happened.

The only reason this is even a story is because the American media is absolutely pathetic, and fans are bored and dying for news.
Or it might be because:

-Pacman was in trouble for incidents that happened at a strip club
-Pacman was in New York to have a meeting about his future in the league because of the strip club incident
-Pacman is supposedly a changed man and is changing his habits to stay away from trouble
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Or it might be because:

-Pacman was in trouble for incidents that happened at a strip club
-Pacman was in New York to have a meeting about his future in the league because of the strip club incident
-Pacman is supposedly a changed man and is changing his habits to stay away from trouble
-That he was hardly involved in.
-Congratulations on restating your first argument, so I will again, that he was only peripherally involved in.
-Strip clubs /= trouble.

Horrible arguments Moses, and usually I like what you ahve to say. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what he did.
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-That he was hardly involved in.
-Congratulations on restating your first argument, so I will again, that he was only peripherally involved in.
-Strip clubs /= trouble.

Horrible arguments Moses, and usually I like what you ahve to say. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what he did.
Hardly involved in? That is laughable.

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Or it might be because:

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-Pacman was in New York to have a meeting about his future in the league because of the strip club incident
-Pacman is supposedly a changed man and is changing his habits to stay away from trouble
Ooook....

So the significance of THIS visit in which NOTHING happened is....?

I'd say he changed. He went to a strip club and nothing happened.

Except of course, the prick media and the idiots who love to read and judge would LOVE to turn this into something it isn't.
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Ooook....

So the significance of THIS visit in which NOTHING happened is....?

I'd say he changed. He went to a strip club and nothing happened.

Except of course, the prick media and the idiots who love to read and judge would LOVE to turn this into something it isn't.
It's the image it projects. How do you guys not understand that? If you're on trial for beating up a stripper and being involved in a shooting in a strip club, it reflects terribly on you to go to a strip club before your meeting with the person you're on trial with.
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-That he was hardly involved in.
-Congratulations on restating your first argument, so I will again, that he was only peripherally involved in.
-Strip clubs /= trouble.

Horrible arguments Moses, and usually I like what you ahve to say. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what he did.
Right, he did nothing wrong. We've established that. But the fact is that he is basically telling Roger Goodell where his loyalty lies. And it's not with his organization. If he really wants to play in the NFL, then he's gonna have to make some sacrifices. That's just how it is. Whether it's fair or not is another discussion. But there is definitely something wrong with what he did, from the perspective of the NFL. Not legally or morally or any other thing. It just reflects extremely poorly on himself, and indicates that he really just doesn't see the big picture of what's going on around him right now. He's basically taking the little amount of rope he has left, and trying his best to make a noose out of it.
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Right, he did nothing wrong. We've established that. But the fact is that he is basically telling Roger Goodell where his loyalty lies. And it's not with his organization. If he really wants to play in the NFL, then he's gonna have to make some sacrifices. That's just how it is. Whether it's fair or not is another discussion. But there is definitely something wrong with what he did, from the perspective of the NFL. Not legally or morally or any other thing. It just reflects extremely poorly on himself, and indicates that he really just doesn't see the big picture of what's going on around him right now. He's basically taking the little amount of rope he has left, and trying his best to make a noose out of it.
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Lol, imagine if he was late for the meeting cuz he was at the club.
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Moses your arguments may have some validity or may not but the sheer fact that this argument is on going is sickening. So he went to a strip club, is that the end of the world? I guess you also believe that since Joey Porter had an incident with Levi Jones at a casino that he should have to avoid casinos altogether? Players are human and have the right to visit these establishments and that should not have any merit on their employment. Obviously you dislike Pacman but in your rational the only place he should be other then with the team is in church so as not to get into trouble. Yes him going to a strip club the night before his meeting may have been a poor choice but the bottomline is he did not have any incidents as a result and therefore its really a none issue. This isn't a story and its pathetic that the media is making one out of it.
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Moses your arguments may have some validity or may not but the sheer fact that this argument is on going is sickening. So he went to a strip club, is that the end of the world? I guess you also believe that since Joey Porter had an incident with Levi Jones at a casino that he should have to avoid casinos altogether? Players are human and have the right to visit these establishments and that should not have any merit on their employment. Obviously you dislike Pacman but in your rational the only place he should be other then with the team is in church so as not to get into trouble. Yes him going to a strip club the night before his meeting may have been a poor choice but the bottomline is he did not have any incidents as a result and therefore its really a none issue. This isn't a story and its pathetic that the media is making one out of it.
Thank you.

It's amazing how judgemental people are though. You'd think Jones is the spawn of Satan the way people talk about him. One of the first posts in this thread was how he wouldn't live past 30.

It's disgusting.
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Well, if he continues at this pace with his loose associations with hoodlums and Tupac wannabe's somone will off Pacman. Becuase pacman's pal's offed one of someones boys. I got like 7 years, and so far he hasn't proven me wrong. One, strip club right before an important meeting, two, APPEALING a SUSPENSION he deserves. He has the right to appeal, but be a real man so you did wrong and deal wiht the consequences. The guy is a scumbag. once he cures cancer I'll give him respect.
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Moses your arguments may have some validity or may not but the sheer fact that this argument is on going is sickening. So he went to a strip club, is that the end of the world? I guess you also believe that since Joey Porter had an incident with Levi Jones at a casino that he should have to avoid casinos altogether? Players are human and have the right to visit these establishments and that should not have any merit on their employment. Obviously you dislike Pacman but in your rational the only place he should be other then with the team is in church so as not to get into trouble. Yes him going to a strip club the night before his meeting may have been a poor choice but the bottomline is he did not have any incidents as a result and therefore its really a none issue. This isn't a story and its pathetic that the media is making one out of it.
Ideally, yes. I would agree. But the NFL doesn't, and Pacman should know that.

Here's an analogy- Say you're on probation for a drug charge. Would you park your car out in front of a crack house to walk to the store, knowing that your P.O. lived right across the street? I mean, that isn't the best analogy but it gets the point across I think.

I mean, say you got caught cheating on your wife and she vowed to cut your balls off if it ever happened again. Would you leave your mistresses panties in the laundry basket? Regardless of whether you cheated or were just doing her a favor- it's a very dumb thing to do.

Everybody should always be aware of the image they portray. Especially to those they care about. Fact is, he disrespected Goodell and the NFL. I'm not saying I think he did anything wrong in my eyes, I'm just trying to point out how the NFL is likely viewing the whole thing. Which is all that really matters as far as Pacman is concerned. Bottom line is that if he really cares about his future with the NFL, it was in incredibly dumb thing to do.
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Ideally, yes. I would agree. But the NFL doesn't, and Pacman should know that.

Here's an analogy- Say you're on probation for a drug charge. Would you park your car out in front of a crack house to walk to the store, knowing that your P.O. lived right across the street? I mean, that isn't the best analogy but it gets the point across I think.

I mean, say you got caught cheating on your wife and she vowed to cut your balls off if it ever happened again. Would you leave your mistresses panties in the laundry basket? Regardless of whether you cheated or were just doing her a favor- it's a very dumb thing to do.

Everybody should always be aware of the image they portray. Especially to those they care about. Fact is, he disrespected Goodell and the NFL. I'm not saying I think he did anything wrong in my eyes, I'm just trying to point out how the NFL is likely viewing the whole thing. Which is all that really matters as far as Pacman is concerned. Bottom line is that if he really cares about his future with the NFL, it was in incredibly dumb thing to do.
How is it disrespect?

How many of us would have even known about it if it didn't appear in the newspaper? Who actually believes at the NFL gives a damn if he spent some time in a strip club completely event free as long as he wasn't late for the meeting?
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