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Old 05-10-2007, 06:31 PM    (permalink
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How is it disrespect?

How many of us would have even known about it if it didn't appear in the newspaper? Who actually believes at the NFL gives a damn if he spent some time in a strip club completely event free as long as he wasn't late for the meeting?
Honestly, it's just common sense. Use your head. Read those analogies.

Look, I've been one of Pacman's biggest defenders around here when people talk about lynching him and all that. I personally have no problem with him exercising his natural rights as a human being.
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Ideally, yes. I would agree. But the NFL doesn't, and Pacman should know that.

Here's an analogy- Say you're on probation for a drug charge. Would you park your car out in front of a crack house to walk to the store, knowing that your P.O. lived right across the street? I mean, that isn't the best analogy but it gets the point across I think.

I mean, say you got caught cheating on your wife and she vowed to cut your balls off if it ever happened again. Would you leave your mistresses panties in the laundry basket? Regardless of whether you cheated or were just doing her a favor- it's a very dumb thing to do.

Everybody should always be aware of the image they portray. Especially to those they care about. Fact is, he disrespected Goodell and the NFL. I'm not saying I think he did anything wrong in my eyes, I'm just trying to point out how the NFL is likely viewing the whole thing. Which is all that really matters as far as Pacman is concerned. Bottom line is that if he really cares about his future with the NFL, it was in incredibly dumb thing to do.
While I stipulate that his decision to go the night before the meeting was a poor one, I must once again bring back my Joey Porter situation again. I mean he had the incident at a casino, so does that mean he must stay away from them so as to not draw the inferno of Goodell? Roger is in unchartered territory with these suspensions and he seems to be striking while the iron is hot. But one must note that the Players Association is backing Jones' appeal and if you read the substance of the appeal it does have merit. Goodell is making Jones the whipping boy of his conduct policy and I feel that will come back to haunt him. Face it the NFL has had its share of hooligans long before Pacman and will continue to have them long after he's gone. Lawrence Taylor and Michael Irvin, Hall of Famers by the way, were cocaine abusers and yet never received the type of suspension Jones got, is this the message you want to send one of that being around bad situations is worse then actual crimes? Pacman has not been formally charged in his instances and yet he's suspended but the defensive linemen, whose name eludes me at this time, was actually convicted of 2 DUI's and yet only merits a 4 game suspension? Something tells me that Jones will be suiting up for the Titans in this upcoming season at some point.
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Honestly, it's just common sense. Use your head. Read those analogies.
It's not common sense at all in my eyes. It's a complete overreaction. Who has the right to know where he was the night before if nothing significant happen?

Those analogies were also poor, though I get your point. I just don't agree with your point.

This shouldn't be an issue, but the media loves to tell us what to think and its happening again.
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While I stipulate that his decision to go the night before the meeting was a poor one, I must once again bring back my Joey Porter situation again. I mean he had the incident at a casino, so does that mean he must stay away from them so as to not draw the inferno of Goodell? Roger is in unchartered territory with these suspensions and he seems to be striking while the iron is hot. But one must note that the Players Association is backing Jones' appeal and if you read the substance of the appeal it does have merit. Goodell is making Jones the whipping boy of his conduct policy and I feel that will come back to haunt him. Face it the NFL has had its share of hooligans long before Pacman and will continue to have them long after he's gone. Lawrence Taylor and Michael Irvin, Hall of Famers by the way, were cocaine abusers and yet never received the type of suspension Jones got, is this the message you want to send one of that being around bad situations is worse then actual crimes? Pacman has not been formally charged in his instances and yet he's suspended but the defensive linemen, whose name eludes me at this time, was actually convicted of 2 DUI's and yet only merits a 4 game suspension? Something tells me that Jones will be suiting up for the Titans in this upcoming season at some point.
Yeah, I'm not picking sides here. Not saying I'm an advocate of the NFL's rules of conduct. I'm just pointing out the reality of the situation, and how incredibly dumb it was of Pacman to hit up a strip club the night before his meeting with Goodell. I mean, that's just common sense. It really demonstrates a lack of awareness on his part.
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It's not common sense at all in my eyes. It's a complete overreaction. Who has the right to know where he was the night before if nothing significant happen?

Those analogies were also poor, though I get your point. I just don't agree with your point.

This shouldn't be an issue, but the media loves to tell us what to think and its happening again.
As far as the NFL is concerned, it is a huge issue. The media covers the NFL, and this is a message board based on the subject of the NFL.
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Yeah, I'm not picking sides here. Not saying I'm an advocate of the NFL's rules of conduct. I'm just pointing out the reality of the situation, and how incredibly dumb it was of Pacman to hit up a strip club the night before his meeting with Goodell. I mean, that's just common sense. It really demonstrates a lack of awareness on his part.
That's why I have repeatedly stipulated that it was a poor decision on his part in my posts.
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Was it wrong for him to do it? No.

Was it stupid? Yes.

Thats really all there is to say about this.
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That's why I have repeatedly stipulated that it was a poor decision on his part in my posts.
So we're in agreement then.
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Was it wrong for him to do it? No.

Was it stupid? Yes.

Thats really all there is to say about this.
That's pretty much what it boils down to.
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jeus christ how is this that hard. SenorGato, you have consistently mis-represented the arguments of EVERYONE you're arguing against by arguing complete non-points. who flaming cares if strip clubs are ok or not. not one person, since you posted, has argued that going to a strip club is bad. not. bloody. one. we HAVE argued that going the night before a meeting with the commissioner about your future in the league due in part to an incident at a strip club is irrefutably moronic.

so now you're going to post something stupid about how you already explained how going to strip clubs is ok, which will yet agin have nothing to do with any part of this argument. then you'll say something about how we're judging him and we're on "high horses". do you have any bloody clue what you're actually talking about, or did you decide this would be your social issue of the day, no matter how stupid or beside the point your "arguments" are?
Pwning at its finest! :D And the fact that he used the word bloody in doing it makes it so much sweeter! :)
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jeus christ how is this that hard. SenorGato, you have consistently mis-represented the arguments of EVERYONE you're arguing against by arguing complete non-points. who flaming cares if strip clubs are ok or not. not one person, since you posted, has argued that going to a strip club is bad. not. bloody. one. we HAVE argued that going the night before a meeting with the commissioner about your future in the league due in part to an incident at a strip club is irrefutably moronic.

so now you're going to post something stupid about how you already explained how going to strip clubs is ok, which will yet agin have nothing to do with any part of this argument. then you'll say something about how we're judging him and we're on "high horses". do you have any bloody clue what you're actually talking about, or did you decide this would be your social issue of the day, no matter how stupid or beside the point your "arguments" are?
Dude, what I'm saying is that it's not an issue.

Thats not so complicated is it?

It barely even registers as a stupid action in my mind.
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Dude, what I'm saying is that it's not an issue.

Thats not so complicated is it?

It barely even registers as a stupid action in my mind.
Quoted for truth. Damn 10 letter thing.
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As long as he didn't do anything illegal, there should be no problem. The man likes naked women dancing, who doesn't? It really wasn't a good decision to go there right before his meeting, but should it matter what he does during his own time, as long as it is legal?
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When you've been banned from the NFL for a year and your future as a freeman is in question because of an event at a strip club, you'd probably think going to another one before a meeting with the league commisioner is a bad idea.

Would you wear this to court if you were on trial for prostituting women?

If I had an outfit like that I'd wear it everywhere I went.
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so, by extension, none of you would have a problem with mike vick attending a dog fight right before going to court (assuming it gets that far)? because it wouldn't be stupid to go, i mean, it's not illegal as long as he doesn't directly participate. i'm sure that would go down real well with his employers. just like i'm sure goodell is STOKED about the media attention pacman has once again brought the NFL. he's really making a GREAT case for his continued employment with his company. can't wait till i don't have to compete with any of you for jobs.
As long as it isn't at his house and it is in a state where it is legal to watch, no I have no problem with it. Is it stupid? Of course, just like Pacman; but is it newsworthy? Hell no it isn't.
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As long as it isn't at his house and it is in a state where it is legal to watch, no I have no problem with it. Is it stupid? Of course, just like Pacman; but is it newsworthy? Hell no it isn't.
I would argue that most of what we are fed through the media is not newsworthy. However, we as a society determine what is. It's newsworthy because it sparks conversation and debate across the country such as what we have here in this thread. It's newsworthy because if ESPN didn't report it, then they would lose viewers to those that did.
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It would be like Ricky Williams meeting with Goodell for re-instatement, and before that blazing up and showing up with eyes glazed and smelling like weed.
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It would be like Ricky Williams meeting with Goodell for re-instatement, and before that blazing up and showing up with eyes glazed and smelling like weed.
Yeah, even something as innocent as showing up in a Bob Marley T-shirt would be a dumb move on his part. Not because there is anything wrong with it at all, but because of the negative impression it would likely leave on the most important man in his profession.
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Yeah, even something as innocent as showing up in a Bob Marley T-shirt would be a dumb move on his part. Not because there is anything wrong with it at all, but because of the negative impression it would likely leave on the most important man in his profession.
The person who said it would be equivalent to Williams showing up stoned is an absolute ******* moron. That is illegal and against the rules to the NFL. There is absolutely no comparison.

Your analogy on the other hand is dead on. Both of them are completely innocent, and it is ridiculous that this conversation is even happening. He did nothing wrong, going to a strip club does not hurt the NFL's image. Listening to Bob Marley does not hurt the NFL's image. Nothing was done wrong, and the fact that anyone actually gives a damn that he went to a strip club is pathetic.
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While I stipulate that his decision to go the night before the meeting was a poor one, I must once again bring back my Joey Porter situation again. I mean he had the incident at a casino, so does that mean he must stay away from them so as to not draw the inferno of Goodell? Roger is in unchartered territory with these suspensions and he seems to be striking while the iron is hot. But one must note that the Players Association is backing Jones' appeal and if you read the substance of the appeal it does have merit. Goodell is making Jones the whipping boy of his conduct policy and I feel that will come back to haunt him. Face it the NFL has had its share of hooligans long before Pacman and will continue to have them long after he's gone. Lawrence Taylor and Michael Irvin, Hall of Famers by the way, were cocaine abusers and yet never received the type of suspension Jones got, is this the message you want to send one of that being around bad situations is worse then actual crimes? Pacman has not been formally charged in his instances and yet he's suspended but the defensive linemen, whose name eludes me at this time, was actually convicted of 2 DUI's and yet only merits a 4 game suspension? Something tells me that Jones will be suiting up for the Titans in this upcoming season at some point.
Thank you. I can't stand Goodell already. I'm distrustful by default, simply because of the way he's been trying to flex his muscles with the entire league.

And Moses, I really don't know what that ad for Pacman's birthday had to do with anything.
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The person who said it would be equivalent to Williams showing up stoned is an absolute ******* moron. That is illegal and against the rules to the NFL. There is absolutely no comparison.

Your analogy on the other hand is dead on. Both of them are completely innocent, and it is ridiculous that this conversation is even happening. He did nothing wrong, going to a strip club does not hurt the NFL's image. Listening to Bob Marley does not hurt the NFL's image. Nothing was done wrong, and the fact that anyone actually gives a damn that he went to a strip club is pathetic.
You've got to admit that it's understandable that Goodell and the NFL would have a problem with this. In turn, fans of Pacman and the Titans might have a problem with it because they want to see him succeed, and they recognize the ramifications of this. I agree that anybody who has a problem with the man exercising his rights is pathetic. But we've got to keep things in perspective here. That really isn't the issue. It's a a conflict between an employer and employee. The reason it's blown up to such a large scale is because it's the NFL. It's just sad that all these people on the outside looking in can immediately ascertain the ramifications of Jones' innocent venture, while he himself couldn't. It would appear that he either doesn't care, or that he just doesn't get it. Like I said earlier, I'm not necessarily an advocate of the NFL's player-conduct policies. So don't get me wrong. I'm just pointing out how easy it is to recognize when a burner is hot, and that it's not safe to touch it when it is. It's just the way it is. Jones should know that by now. Goodell does not appear to be the type of guy that begs to be played with. Which is why it seems so incredibly idiotic that Pacman would. Especially considering what's at stake.
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And Moses, I really don't know what that ad for Pacman's birthday had to do with anything.
In reference to the fact that Pacman is balling?



Plus, there is so much about that advertisement that makes me laugh.
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you must of forgot but every move Pacman makes is now illegal.
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