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Old 05-18-2007, 04:17 AM    (permalink
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He's still overrated by most and not a top 5 safety. He hasn't proven that he's in that upper echelon yet.
What does he have to do? He was All-Pro and an AFC starting Pro-Bowl FS in his one healthy season thus far, and in the season which he didn't see the field much during the regular season, he sparked a title run.

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Even a guy like Sean Taylor has made more big plays than Sanders.
Maybe if you're judging by numbers. Show me Sean Taylor's 3rd and 4 play where he sniffs out a curl route, bats the pass away, and gets the ball back for his team when they most desperately needed a possession. The numbers don't tell the whole story in Bob's case.
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Old 05-18-2007, 08:12 AM    (permalink
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What does he have to do? He was All-Pro and an AFC starting Pro-Bowl FS in his one healthy season thus far, and in the season which he didn't see the field much during the regular season, he sparked a title run.
You answered your own question, he has to stay healthy! I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you have to use the phrase "when healthy" in an argument for a player then your argument is null and void.
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What does he have to do? He was All-Pro and an AFC starting Pro-Bowl FS in his one healthy season thus far, and in the season which he didn't see the field much during the regular season, he sparked a title run.



Maybe if you're judging by numbers. Show me Sean Taylor's 3rd and 4 play where he sniffs out a curl route, bats the pass away, and gets the ball back for his team when they most desperately needed a possession. The numbers don't tell the whole story in Bob's case.
Sanders has had a few good games. That doesn't put him up there with the likes of Reed, Dawkins, etc. The numbers never tell the whole story, but they tell part of it. How can a guy 152 tackles, no sacks, 2 interceptions, and 4 passes defended in 3 years be considered a top safety?

As for Sean Taylor, here are some of his 2005 highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA3OzdmyVOk

Taylor had more big plays in that one season than Sanders has had his entire career.
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Bob Sanders definitely has more of an impact on his defense than Sean Taylor, but that doesn't mean he's the better safety. Indy's run D is still awful (how did they pass on Branch at 32?) and Sanders is a killer in the box. I really like both players, don't get me wrong, but ST is still developing, and in a few years all those tools will combo with legit experience and he'll be the elite at the position. If he doesn't go nuts, or go to jail.
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Old 05-18-2007, 06:17 PM    (permalink
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You answered your own question, he has to stay healthy! I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you have to use the phrase "when healthy" in an argument for a player then your argument is null and void.
THREE seasons, one of which he wasn't expected to play. Give him more than two seasons to show whether or not he can stay healthy.

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Sanders has had a few good games. That doesn't put him up there with the likes of Reed, Dawkins, etc. The numbers never tell the whole story, but they tell part of it. How can a guy 152 tackles, no sacks, 2 interceptions, and 4 passes defended in 3 years be considered a top safety?
Because in his first year he wasn't even expected to play, in his second year he was one of the top 2 safeties in the league (granted, Ed Reed was hurt, but it's still pretty hard to argue when he made the All-Pro team and helped make the Colts' defense into one of the top units in the league), and in his third year, he got hurt, held back for the postseason by the team, and sparked a championship run upon returning to the team.

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Bob Sanders definitely has more of an impact on his defense than Sean Taylor, but that doesn't mean he's the better safety.
Why? Because Taylor has more "potential"? He's been in the league for a while now, so he should be putting all this "potential" to use.

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Indy's run D is still awful (how did they pass on Branch at 32?) and Sanders is a killer in the box.
It wasn't awful in the playoffs, in large part because of Sanders, but how can you say the Colts' run defense is still awful when you have no idea what impact the new players will have? Passing on Branch at 32 happened because he doesn't fit the scheme AT ALL (rarely will you find a DT over 300 pounds in a Tampa 2 scheme), plus there were questions about his work ethic.

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I really like both players, don't get me wrong, but ST is still developing, and in a few years all those tools will combo with legit experience and he'll be the elite at the position. If he doesn't go nuts, or go to jail.
So if Taylor is still developing, wouldn't that mean Bob is still developing too? Or have you arbitrarily decided that one has reached his peak while the other hasn't based on your own opinion? They've both played 3 years in the league, so it's not like Bob has the advantage of more experience. If anything, Taylor has the advantage in that department.
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