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Old 03-06-2012, 11:46 PM    (permalink
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I hope we go G as well. I'm just fine with either Decastro or Glenn. I'm a big fan of both. I love me some Ingram as well, obviously. Wouldnt mind that, either. Though that's probably not in the cards...managment really does like Spencer. I know a lot of you are down on Barron...but honestly, he's a damn good safety prospect. We may be in a decent spot to trade back a bit and still land one of these guys as well.
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I wouldn't mind snagging Carr, Decastro and then Bruce Irvin in the second.
This, yeah definetely this. Unless Brockers blows up his pro day, which if he does, he probably would be gone anyway. But let Irvin learn for a year to replace spencer, and get a 3rd round corner like casey hayward or josh robinson to replace jenkins next year.
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Great post about Finnegan, what I have been saying all along:

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowbo...th-the-cowboys

It would be a terrible signing. Same thing goes for picking Janoris Jenkins at 14, but at least he isn't 28 years old. On the bright side, I don't think the organization is leaning in that direction.
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Wes Bunting has a new mock out. Has us taking Brockers (sorry CD)

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14. Dallas Cowboys: LSU DT Michael Brockers
Brockers is as talented as any defensive lineman in the draft and is capable of maturing into a real game changer up front. He’s got the ability to play all over the Cowboys defensive line early and offers them a lot of versatility in their 34 front.
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14. Dallas Cowboys: LSU DT Michael Brockers
Brockers is as talented as any defensive lineman in the draft and is capable of maturing into a real game changer up front. He’s got the ability to play all over the Cowboys defensive line early and offers them a lot of versatility in their 34 front.
Wes has a habit of making me happy.

All depends on how FA pans out for me.
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Thoughts on taking DeCastro at 14 and then trading back into the 1st round if say Ingram slips down pretty far in the 1st round. Give up our 2nd this year and maybe a 2nd next year. Not sure if that would do it or not.
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Does anyone think it would be overkill if we were to draft Kirkpatrick and sign Carr? I am really wanting the Cowboys to go this route. In the second round we can pick up a guard, and the rest of the draft go defense heavy. Thoughts?
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Does anyone think it would be overkill if we were to draft Kirkpatrick and sign Carr? I am really wanting the Cowboys to go this route. In the second round we can pick up a guard, and the rest of the draft go defense heavy. Thoughts?
I don't think so. Keep in mind that Jenkins is entering his final year of his rookie contract. Also, the buzz is now that more and more clubs are seeing Kirk as a FS.
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I think DL/Pass rusher and DB are spots that you can never have too many good players.
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OK, this attention seeking whorrrre is hoping to get some comments in his live mock thread.

What do you think will happen next?

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If we sign Carr...drafting a corner in the 1st becomes overkill, yes imo. I dont think Jenkins is going anywhere after his contract is up. The guy was excellent last season...granted, he was always injured. Staying healthy will be paramount for him. But I really dont see us letting him go anywhere. In Carr, Jenkins, Scandrick...you have a lot of talented youth, you could be set for years. A 1st round corner, doesnt see the field this year, barring injury of course. We'd be better off going G or S, imo.
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If we sign Carr...drafting a corner in the 1st becomes overkill, yes imo. I dont think Jenkins is going anywhere after his contract is up. The guy was excellent last season...granted, he was always injured. Staying healthy will be paramount for him. But I really dont see us letting him go anywhere. In Carr, Jenkins, Scandrick...you have a lot of talented youth, you could be set for years. A 1st round corner, doesnt see the field this year, barring injury of course. We'd be better off going G or S, imo.
What if Jenkins is hurt again this year?
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What if Jenkins is hurt again this year?
You're really going to pass on high quality, potentially impactful starters at other positions...for that reason? Decastro, Glenn, Barron...they're day one starters. We have plenty of youth at corner, if we sign Carr. I can say the opposite...what if Jenkins stays healthy all year and plays well? Then you have a 1st round corner trapped behind three talented corners who are all under 30.

If Carr signs...no need to touch corner in the first. We have other issues. And we should have the benefit of having quality players available at the G and S position when we're on the clock.
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I don't think so. Keep in mind that Jenkins is entering his final year of his rookie contract. Also, the buzz is now that more and more clubs are seeing Kirk as a FS.
I've said this many times, there's no such thing as too many CB's or good pass rushing OLB/DE.
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I've said this many times, there's no such thing as too many CB's or good pass rushing OLB/DE.
Meh. CB in the 1st makes no sense, post Carr signing. Especially given our problems at other positions, where we could actually use starters, right now. Having depth is all fine and dandy, but you dont need to get that player in the 1st round. Realistically, this kid is for sure the 4th corner this year, behind three young corners, of all of which each possess a great deal of potential in their own right. OLB would make a little more sense. But Dallas loves Spencer and we dont rotate our OLBs all that much at all.

I'm all G/S right now.
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Meh. CB in the 1st makes no sense, post Carr signing. Especially given our problems at other positions, where we could actually use starters, right now. Having depth is all fine and dandy, but you dont need to get that player in the 1st round. Realistically, this kid is for sure the 4th corner this year, behind three young corners, of all of which each possess a great deal of potential in their own right. OLB would make a little more sense. But Dallas loves Spencer and we dont rotate our OLBs all that much at all.

I'm all G/S right now.
I understand what you are saying, but I still disagree with you on the DB thing. I have no issue what so ever with having 4 good young DBs.

And I don't think guard is our biggest need. I think Center is a much bigger need. I'm not dissing DeCastro because I like him, but taking a guard at 14 when it is a very deep draft at the guard position is not value, IMO. Couple that with the above statement about Center being a bigger need, IMO, and I just don't like guard at 14. It has nothing really to do with DeCastro.
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What if Jenkins is hurt again this year?
What if anyone gets hurt next year? Jenkins is not "injury prone." He has missed 8 games in his last 8 seasons. (4 years in college, 4 years in the NFL) That is a lot better than player who you wouldn't consider "injury prone." Besides, he missed 4 games this year, not 10. He was on the field for 12 games and played well in pretty much all of them. He missed 2 games his other 3 years in the league. He got a stinger and pulled a hamstring, it happens. He isn't injury prone. People need to get the most recent memory of Jenkins out of their head and look at his whole body of work. Same goes for DeMarco Murray. A 270 pound man fell on his ankle and it broke. He missed 2 games his entire college career. How DeMarco Murray ever got labeled injury prone makes no sense.

There really is no such thing as "injury prone." It really is just bad luck. A hit that tears a guys ACL would probably tear the ACL 95% of the players in the league. Did you see Jake Ballard in the super bowl? He made a cut on air and blew out his knee. Is he injury prone? No, it just happens.

Some guys may be pansies, but more the most part and injury is an injury. These guys are getting what is equivalent to 20-30 small car crashes every sunday. I hate injuries more than anyone and do think pro athletes especially football players milk their recovery time for more than they actually need, but i'm shocked more injuries don't occur with how big these guys are and how hard they hit with the speeds they are flying into each other.

And no one can question Jenkins' toughness anymore. Dude hyper-extended his knee on the wednesday before the jets game and was probably the 3rd best player on defense that sunday night besides Lee and Ware. He also played most of the year with his shoulder attached by a thread. He proved he was a warrior.

Going into a season thinking someone is going to get injured anymore than anyone else is just stupid. It's football, things happen and injuries are a part of the game, more than any other unfortunately.

Take for example Jason Witten. He took over the starting job full time his sophomore season, and hasn't missed a game since. Does that make him less injury prone than anyone else? While he is insanely durable, I don't think it's because he's less "injury prone." He probably takes very good care of his body year round, and he always positions himself not to take big hits. Things every player should do. But does that mean in the first OTA come May he won't blow out his knee making a cut on a route against air? God forbid, but it's just as possible for him as it is for anyone else.

I hate the "injury prone" label. It's worse than "leadership." The better team wins, and bad luck and awkward hits cause injuries, period.
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Meh. CB in the 1st makes no sense, post Carr signing. Especially given our problems at other positions, where we could actually use starters, right now. Having depth is all fine and dandy, but you dont need to get that player in the 1st round. Realistically, this kid is for sure the 4th corner this year, behind three young corners, of all of which each possess a great deal of potential in their own right. OLB would make a little more sense. But Dallas loves Spencer and we dont rotate our OLBs all that much at all.

I'm all G/S right now.
MOTH and I are on the complete same page. If we land Carr, 1st round needs to be G/S with the franchising of spencer. Picking Kirkpatrick over DeCastro would be a cardinal sin. DeCastro/Barron would be the smart pick. Get the best front 7 player/spencer's replacement you can in the 2nd, and the best CB on the board in the 3rd so we finally have a decent #4 instead of alan ball, and a little insurance if we can't keep Jenkins.
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What if anyone gets hurt next year? Jenkins is not "injury prone." He has missed 8 games in his last 8 seasons. (4 years in college, 4 years in the NFL) That is a lot better than player who you wouldn't consider "injury prone." Besides, he missed 4 games this year, not 10. He was on the field for 12 games and played well in pretty much all of them. He missed 2 games his other 3 years in the league. He got a stinger and pulled a hamstring, it happens. He isn't injury prone. People need to get the most recent memory of Jenkins out of their head and look at his whole body of work. Same goes for DeMarco Murray. A 270 pound man fell on his ankle and it broke. He missed 2 games his entire college career. How DeMarco Murray ever got labeled injury prone makes no sense.

There really is no such thing as "injury prone." It really is just bad luck. A hit that tears a guys ACL would probably tear the ACL 95% of the players in the league. Did you see Jake Ballard in the super bowl? He made a cut on air and blew out his knee. Is he injury prone? No, it just happens.

Some guys may be pansies, but more the most part and injury is an injury. These guys are getting what is equivalent to 20-30 small car crashes every sunday. I hate injuries more than anyone and do think pro athletes especially football players milk their recovery time for more than they actually need, but i'm shocked more injuries don't occur with how big these guys are and how hard they hit with the speeds they are flying into each other.

And no one can question Jenkins' toughness anymore. Dude hyper-extended his knee on the wednesday before the jets game and was probably the 3rd best player on defense that sunday night besides Lee and Ware. He also played most of the year with his shoulder attached by a thread. He proved he was a warrior.

Going into a season thinking someone is going to get injured anymore than anyone else is just stupid. It's football, things happen and injuries are a part of the game, more than any other unfortunately.

Take for example Jason Witten. He took over the starting job full time his sophomore season, and hasn't missed a game since. Does that make him less injury prone than anyone else? While he is insanely durable, I don't think it's because he's less "injury prone." He probably takes very good care of his body year round, and he always positions himself not to take big hits. Things every player should do. But does that mean in the first OTA come May he won't blow out his knee making a cut on a route against air? God forbid, but it's just as possible for him as it is for anyone else.

I hate the "injury prone" label. It's worse than "leadership." The better team wins, and bad luck and awkward hits cause injuries, period.
I'm not dissing Jenkins. I like him very much; you're misunderstanding my position.

HOWEVER, while you can't draft scared, injuries are a reality and some guys just get injured more. You can call it bad luck if you want, but the end result is the same; they're not on the field.

For example, I was just reading up on C. Judie today and Bunting, I think it was, really likes him and wants to give him a 2nd round grade, but because of the injuries gives him a 3rd or 4th round grade. Teams just have to deal with the reality of some players missing more time than others.

I'm not saying that Jenkins is 'injury-prone', but I would be lying if I said it isn't a bit of a concern, especially since he's heading into a contract year.

What if he is 'unlucky' and misses 4-7 games this year? What type of contract do you give him next off season?
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Once you get injured it's really easy to reinjure yourself in that area again. The first time may have been bad luck, but going forward, it's no longer bad luck, just a thing called "recurrent injury".

History can be on your side, but that's completely irrelevant. Age also starts to become a factor over time.

Jenkins needs to have a completely healthy season and get back to playing at a consistent high level, which I'm hoping for, but he hasn't erased doubts about staying healthy yet.

That said, I don't think we should take a look at Kirkpatrick if we sign Carr. *If you notice my mock draft* :)

This team doesn't have that kind of luxury.
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Kirkpatrick make since regardless if the team believes that he can transition to FS. If he has the ability to start at FS and move into the slot in Dime packages why not, it adds much more value. It was something Darren Woodson was praised for and something this team lost when he left.

As much as I like Decastro there is plenty of depth at the position in the draft and free agency. That being said it must be addressed with someone that has the talent to start within a year, not someone who is a late round developmental guy.

For everyone who is on the Carl Nicks Banwagon get a hold of Brandon Brooks pro day results:

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Brooks was among the six players who worked out Thursday at the school’s pro day, held indoors on artificial turf.

Brooks measured at 6-foot-5, 346 pounds with 32 5/8-inch arms, and was clocked at 5.0 and 4.98 seconds in his two 40-yard dashes. Brooks then posted 4.58 seconds in the short shuttle drill, and a three-cone drill time of 7.42 seconds. He also threw up 225 pounds 36 times in the bench press. Brooks later went through positional drills conducted by a member of the Steelers organization.

I don’t think anyone expected Brooks, who participated in the East-West Shrine Game, to run as fast or demonstrate as much strength as he did. It’s actually a surprise that he wasn’t at the combine, but they can invite only so many players.

But everyone is looking for big offensive linemen, and this is a big man. We talked so much about Memphis DT Dontari Poe‘s workout, and Brooks’ numbers are similar. These are the kinds of guys that end up having a chance to make a team.
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Kirkpatrick make since regardless if the team believes that he can transition to FS. If he has the ability to start at FS and move into the slot in Dime packages why not, it adds much more value. It was something Darren Woodson was praised for and something this team lost when he left.

As much as I like Decastro there is plenty of depth at the position in the draft and free agency. That being said it must be addressed with someone that has the talent to start within a year, not someone who is a late round developmental guy.

For everyone who is on the Carl Nicks Banwagon get a hold of Brandon Brooks pro day results:



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If you noticed in my Cowboys mock draft thread, I highlighted Brooks in my East-West shrine coverage. ;)
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Does anyone think it would be overkill if we were to draft Kirkpatrick and sign Carr? I am really wanting the Cowboys to go this route. In the second round we can pick up a guard, and the rest of the draft go defense heavy. Thoughts?
It depends on how they view Kirkpatrick. If they want him to be a corner that would be a little bit of overkill, but considering how there are so many teams with a lot of great wide receivers it wouldn't be so bad. Not a move I'd want them to make with holes elsewhere, but it certainly would make some sense. Alan Ball and Frank Walker played far too often last year.

If they view him as a corner/safety tweener then it wouldn't be bad at all. You could transition him to safety while letting him play a lot in the slot as a corner to get coverage advantages. I could see where they would be going if that's the case.
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Jason La Confora just said Cortland Finnegan isn't our guy in a free agency article on NFL.com and we are much more likely to go after Carr. Thank God.
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No joke. Finnigan needs to go to the Raiders. He probably should have been one all along. Or maybe an Eagle.

For the record, I don't want Decastro at #14. I would rather draft a CB or DE. But I think the interior line is not NFL caliber. D-Unit made a great point a few days ago about in this rookie salary cap age, you don't want to draft a G early because you can get higher paid players on the cheap now, in the draft that is. And I think he is absolutely right, as a general rule.

However, I don't think the boys fit this rule this year. All rules are made to be broken. DeCastro, I bet most people would agree, is the most likely prospect to be a top level player for a long time that there is. So position of need meets stellar prospect.

If the boys sign two or three OL in Free Agency, then I obviously want to draft another position. But they probably won't. And if the same trash gets rolled out there next year at OL that we did this year, no step forward will be taken. We will not compete for anything.
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