Draft Countdown Forums

Go Back   Draft Countdown Forums > Draft Countdown Forums > Team Boards > Dallas Cowboys Team Forum

Dallas Cowboys Team Forum Discuss America's Team - How 'bout dem Cowboys!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-10-2007, 08:39 AM    (permalink
cowboysforever
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,078
Reputation: 41
cowboysforever hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdallas
Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboysforever
Can we agree Henry to FS while keeping Roy Williams as SS is re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic?

Henry can't improve Roy's play any more so than Patrick can under the current conditions.

Maybe we can start here?
I personally don't think Henry is an upgrade at FS, but that's a completely different issue.

History has shown that a different player at FS can affect Roy's play because he had his best season while playing alongside Woodson in the secondary. That problem is that with all the accolades Roy has received in the NFL I don't know if there is anyone we could bring in that could get him to clean his act up and lose the weight he needs to and spend more time in the film room.

Bascially, in conclusion, a different FS can change Roy's play in the secondary, but I don't see a scenario where we could get a player who could do it. It would have to be a top tier guy with a lot of experience who is a leader. I don't see anyone like that available. Too bad we didn't ever bring in someone like a troy vincent. Part of me thinks that Aaron Glenn could be a guy who would be a positive influence on Roy and I don't know why he isn't.

Maybe a coach could do the job, but the only guy that comes to mind is Mike Singletary. There are probably a few other guys out there and hopefully our new defensive coordinator can light a fire under Roy.

Now that I have addressed your point about Roy, you have to admit that trading Roy isn't a real possibility. He just signed a new extension so he ties up serious money in the cap, he sells millions of dollars worth of merchandise, and his value as far as playmaking ability and knack for creating turnovers comes somewhere around offsetting his liabilities in coverage.

And if for some reason you still think that trading Roy is a possibility, admit that it won't happen this year with Jerry Jones as our owner. If it won't happen there is no point discussing it further because we all know what you're opinion on the subject is.
A different FS would help Roy justs like it would any other player on the team when he has a better mate. So we agree. Henry to FS with Roy at 230 lbs playing 2 Deep is (I agree) not a solution.

I would like to say, in Roy's defense, he seemed to play well in a "man based" 4-3 where typically SS responsibilities are much less than in the current scheme. I don't think this fact is lost to coaches around the league.

Roy can be traded but to your point Jerry hates to call uncle on "his guys." For all the critics of BP with "his guys" Jerry is no different but more destructive. Those two contracts to Bradie and Roy are perfect examples of Jerry not getting it.

Say what you will of Davis and Bidwell they are not weak at everything they do. Davis knows good young coaches and Bidwell does not normally give away the house for mediocre players. And Jerry Jones belongs in that class of owner/GM/whatever. Can't draft, over pays for talent, wants to coach and has way too many thoughts for public consumption.

I will still say Roy needs to either go via trade (prefer), lose 20 or hit the bench. He must have given up 10-13 TD passes this year. We will not get past 10-6 with him playing as is.

Tks for the dialogue.

I just can't se us traveling another NFL season with this stone in our shoe.
cowboysforever is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 08:47 AM    (permalink
leroyisgod
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Mechanicsburg, PA
Posts: 3,489
Reputation: 88707
leroyisgod is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.leroyisgod is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.leroyisgod is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.leroyisgod is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.leroyisgod is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.leroyisgod is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.leroyisgod is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.leroyisgod is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.leroyisgod is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.leroyisgod is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.leroyisgod is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
Quote:
Originally Posted by leroyisgod
Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
Quote:
Originally Posted by charles_haley_rules
Quote:
Originally Posted by Modano
Do you think that someone like Alama-Frncis could be avaible in the 4th-5th round? Like Anderson last year.. I like the idea of bringin an DE/OLB tweener to play 10-15 snaps a game lining up as a DE in the nickel..
Carpenter was all over the place the last few games. He has game and will be on point next year. Ellis' return is up in the air. Burnette is great in the nickel. Ware is the stud. James plays the middle adequately. Adolye made some plays.

There is no reason why we stil lcant bring in a beast linebacker like Adalius Thomas. He is used all over the field. Anybody see him line up in man coverage of Chad Johnson and mash him out of bounds? Or see him run step for step with slot recievers?

Sometimes I think people suffer from a lack of imagination. Thomas on the slot reciever. Jam, jam, jam. This time, no jam,he blitzes off the edge, the same edge ware is on. Which one get's blocked? Especially with Ellis coming on the other side. Burnette rotates out and covers the slot with safety help. The MLB drops into a zone in the middle.

Now look at the standard 3-4 set. Canty, Spears, Ferguson on the line. Ware, Ellis, James, Carpenter at LB. r shift the set and go heavy on the weak side with Ware on the line, Thomas at ROLD, James in the middle, Adolye, and Ellis.

Thomas gives the 3-4 one more dimension and versatility. Passs ruch and coverage. Multiple personel sets for differing situations. Consider dropping Ware, Burnette, Thomas, and Carpenter into a flat zone across the field, about 7 yards off the line of scrimmage. Newman and Hnery in man, Roy and Watkins in zones sitting over the linebackers or covering deep.

The possibilities are endless people!
If we bring in a high priced FA...someone is gonna be seeing the door...whether its Ellis who is dirt cheap and contract is up after 2007 or Burnett who's contract should be coming up in 2007...it will be interesting to see.
If we bring in another pass rusher, whether it's another LB or a DE, Ellis is expendable. He's getting older and coming off of a nasty injury.
Why I do agree with you...Ellis is on a dirt cheap contract...so we really have no reason to cut him. Burnett has value especially when it comes down to a 4-3 team. If I had to guess what guy goes it would be Burnett...but I guess someone would have to show interest for that to happen.
What would we get for him, maybe a 4th rounder?
__________________

Signature courtesy of BoneKrusher
leroyisgod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 09:06 AM    (permalink
bigmac076
Veteran
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 1,809
Reputation: 28394
bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

My Big Board

1. Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville - I gotta say, I know this isn't the top need but, this guy has so much upside to him it would be hard to pass him up. You may have heard it before, but I'll say it again, 4 years of D-1A experience and only 20 years young!

2. Justin Blalock, G, Texas - Definetly the more realistic choice. We have a couple of young RBs but up front we are getting long in the tooth. The "Marco Rivera Era" is over in mind.

3. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State - Also a great pick to bring some youth to our O-Line. At 6-5 328 a perfect OT-OG tweener to grab in the first round.

4. Sidney Rice, WR, South Carolina - With Glenn and Ownes both drafted over 10 years ago, WR is also a position where could stand to get younger. Even though we have a plethora of young propects at WR, none of them posses the natural talent of Mr. Rice.

5. Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno St. - I like this kids combonation of size and speed. Aaron Glenn, even though he holds his own, is not long for this league and we need to start thinking about the possibilty of Henry moving to Safety and plugging in a true playmaker a CB along with Newman.
__________________
bigmac076 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 09:07 AM    (permalink
cowboysforever
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,078
Reputation: 41
cowboysforever hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
Cowboysforever, I liked the way you broke down the offseason. I didn't agree with everything but some things did make sense...I'm gonna do something similar.
Thanks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
I'm most avid about not throwing away money by wasting cap. Which is why I feel that James and Roy will be here next year. Their is a solution however.
No person likes to burn real cash or fake (Cap) cash. But god, Roy? Do I need to endure his being two steps behind each and every TE in this league? He did give up 10-13 TD this year.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
As far as FA goes I really only see 3 or 4 possibilities.
1)Josh Brown...won't happen from the comments that JJ made but i have been on this all year and won't drop it.
Seattle will not let him go. I think they would franchise him. He is good for 3-4 wins per year and given the mediocrity over there that is big. Plus more money on a Kicker? What about Medlock or Mason in the draft CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP and have them fight Marteeeeen.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
2)OG....There is solid depth out there this year...Leonard Davis, Eric Steinbach, Jordan Black, Derrick Dockery are all guys below 30 who could come in and give our line some solid experience which is something I feel we need.
Most intriguing is Davis b/c he can do guard or tackle but given his fat problem with a "players coach" like Green I can imagine him having an emotional breakdwon with Parcells. But yeah, the Guards are very good and I agree we need to bun MORE money here in spite of Marco and Kosier. This spot is way to hard for a Rook and FA is the best way to go.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
3)SOLB...Briggs and Thomas are both great options on the strong side. Will we be able to sway one or the other idk but this is a great place to try to address this need.
Well, I think Briggs is too small and is another version of Roy Williams in terms of body type. Hell same as Burnett too. Thomas is most intersting but he is 30 already ya know.

HONESTLY, I prefer we not spend here the more I think of it. I say we go with the guys we have. Use Burnett a alot more. Sit Bradie a lot more. Carpenter to WOLB and Ware to SOLB. Ellis for 10-15 plays per game. THEN draft a tweener that falls into the 2nd round. Moss, Woodley (I agree he falls), Alibaba Francis.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
4)FS....If a solid vet FS is out there I want him. Darren Sharper is the first person to come into my mind. He is worried about being replaced by Blue...but this team is clearly not on its way to a superbowl..so I'd be angry too if my contract came up in the next two years and it was gonna affect my future. If we can get him away for a second day pick or they have interest in a player of ours such as Crayton/Davis I wouldn't hesitate. Because its likely the S position is gonna be touched some time in this draft anyways. Veteran leadership to tutor Watkins holds more value to me here.
Well, getting a Veteran FS with a two year deal or something is OK -- particularly if he can play SS too. I still think we have a SS problem moreso than FS. Watkins showed us his skills in the end just like Carp. I love both their athletics on the field.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
So there are a couple of solutions here in the draft depending on how FA goes...I think i'm fairly accurate as far as what direction we will go in FA. I think obviously FA affects alot on how our draft will go...there are a couple of different senerios. If we get a veteran OG in fa...Blalock goes off the big board. A guy like Ramirez in the 3rd makes alot more sense in this aspect.
Agreed, but if you go FA for Guard, Round 2 for a Tweener OLB then your #1 needs go into a year 1 impact position -- WR or RB.

Guard in round 3 sounds good too but where ya gonna store him? Or who do you cut? All the current OL duds got big contracts and the performers are all FA this year???????

So ff we go FA for a Guard we have too many bodies to draft another rook. Al Johnson, Gurode, Proctor, Kosier, Rivera, Colombo, Flo, McQuistan, New FA Guard (say Davis) .... that is already 9 guys. You take 8 on game day. You draft a rook and you have 2, too many. I think CB or WR or RB makes more sense in the third.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
If we go SOLB in FA...the draft really doesn't have any SOLB that I like..but it would also remove us going after a guy on the first day. I tend to think Carp and Burnett work the nickel next year...and Carp splits plays with Burnett or Ellis on the outside...this seems ideal to me as far as getting everyone on the field to earn their money. If we address OLB in FA I think its safe to say we'll leave it alone durning the draft.
I like the second round for a tweener.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
As far as FS goes...I think we need a vet. However if that guy just isnt' on the market...a guy like Zibby on the second day would be a nice addition to our team especially on special teams if we find outselves without Davis. I really like Piscitelli out of Oklahoma State if he is there on the second day. I actually see this as something big to address in the offseason.
Constraints are setting in here. But point taken. You want a FS. I want to send Roy to a fat farm. Given the draft and FA I laid out not sure how you get a P-Man for anything less than a second rounder and not sure if you do this without trading some talent.

But based on what I read you would prefer we use FA for an OLB and use the second round for a FS. I prefer the oppositte.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
We need to get Roy playing the Rover in the Nickle...this would leave Burnett and Roy as so called lb's...Then leave Watkins/Piscitelli as the safeties....or if we sign our vet...Sharper/Watkins deep and the best part of this is...if Roy shows the ability to play the Rover Burnett become completely expendable..which leaves room to draft a pass rushing specialist.
Well I agree, Roy Williams, Burnett and even Lance Briggs are one and the same on passing downs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
My gut feeling tells me that Woodley is available in the third round...call me crazy but after the combine and such it will be known that he has fallen from his potential first round grading.
I like him alot and think him a football player. Not BP size but he knows how to get to the QB and let me point out he plays in a conference with 3 first round tackles.

Also some scouts are saying he may make a better ILB in the pros. I know this sounds CRAZY but that is what they have said. Part of the rationale is he struggled as an OLB in the 4-3 in Michigan. So either 3-4 WOLB or 4-3 ILB.

Regadless, some good tweeners are coming into round two. You can bet NYJ and NE will pick some of these guys early. They have big needs at LB.
cowboysforever is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 09:12 AM    (permalink
cowboysforever
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,078
Reputation: 41
cowboysforever hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Modano
I still think we don't need another LB. Carpenter was amazing in the first half against the Seahwaks, the problem are not the LB, are the DE (as bbd said). If we want another pass rusher we shoudl grab Adam Carriker, not an OLB, imo.
If we pick Thomas from FA we should have to bench Ayodele, Carpenter or James.. I want Carpenter to start, he really impressed me on saturday.. We have 5 good LBs, we dont' need another one. We need our DE to step up. Canty showed improvement, Spears is still sleeping. If they can't step up, we should grab another DE who can bring pressure inside..

btw, I guess I'm a better and more productive pasta cooker than cowboysforever, just because i'm italian 8)
I over boiled the pasta last night blabbering here. The crab/shallot cream sauce was nice however.

I agree, we don't need another LB. Tie to make good with what we got unless we trade some depth.
cowboysforever is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 09:14 AM    (permalink
cowboysforever
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,078
Reputation: 41
cowboysforever hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
Quote:
Originally Posted by BX
I'm in favor of bringing in Darren Sharper to provide some veteran leadership and tutor Watkins. That's a fabulous idea.
Well he isn't a FA...however he did issue his worries that he was benched in the last game of the year for no reason for them to play Greg Blue. He says he wants to stay in MN...but its virtually up to them on what to do. We might have the ammo to get him...with a guy like Crayton tho. Davis might intrigue them aswell. Obviously draft picks are the most logical...I think if they are sold on Blue then a 6th could do the trick. Probabally have to be a player and a pick.
I think in terms of trade -- this idea for Sharper, The Kris Jenkins idea, Micahel Jenkins idea and S Rogers idea are all doable and yes they are in order of probability too.
cowboysforever is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 09:17 AM    (permalink
cowboysforever
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,078
Reputation: 41
cowboysforever hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Modano
Do you think that someone like Alama-Frncis could be avaible in the 4th-5th round? Like Anderson last year.. I like the idea of bringin an DE/OLB tweener to play 10-15 snaps a game lining up as a DE in the nickel..
Alibaba Francis will not. Kiper is chatting him up. He is 6'6, 260 and "they say" he runs like the wind. Former hoops guy too and that is fashionable.

He may be this years Ware.
cowboysforever is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 09:18 AM    (permalink
cowboysforever
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,078
Reputation: 41
cowboysforever hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
Quote:
Originally Posted by leroyisgod
Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
Quote:
Originally Posted by charles_haley_rules
Quote:
Originally Posted by Modano
Do you think that someone like Alama-Frncis could be avaible in the 4th-5th round? Like Anderson last year.. I like the idea of bringin an DE/OLB tweener to play 10-15 snaps a game lining up as a DE in the nickel..
Carpenter was all over the place the last few games. He has game and will be on point next year. Ellis' return is up in the air. Burnette is great in the nickel. Ware is the stud. James plays the middle adequately. Adolye made some plays.

There is no reason why we stil lcant bring in a beast linebacker like Adalius Thomas. He is used all over the field. Anybody see him line up in man coverage of Chad Johnson and mash him out of bounds? Or see him run step for step with slot recievers?

Sometimes I think people suffer from a lack of imagination. Thomas on the slot reciever. Jam, jam, jam. This time, no jam,he blitzes off the edge, the same edge ware is on. Which one get's blocked? Especially with Ellis coming on the other side. Burnette rotates out and covers the slot with safety help. The MLB drops into a zone in the middle.

Now look at the standard 3-4 set. Canty, Spears, Ferguson on the line. Ware, Ellis, James, Carpenter at LB. r shift the set and go heavy on the weak side with Ware on the line, Thomas at ROLD, James in the middle, Adolye, and Ellis.

Thomas gives the 3-4 one more dimension and versatility. Passs ruch and coverage. Multiple personel sets for differing situations. Consider dropping Ware, Burnette, Thomas, and Carpenter into a flat zone across the field, about 7 yards off the line of scrimmage. Newman and Hnery in man, Roy and Watkins in zones sitting over the linebackers or covering deep.

The possibilities are endless people!
If we bring in a high priced FA...someone is gonna be seeing the door...whether its Ellis who is dirt cheap and contract is up after 2007 or Burnett who's contract should be coming up in 2007...it will be interesting to see.
If we bring in another pass rusher, whether it's another LB or a DE, Ellis is expendable. He's getting older and coming off of a nasty injury.
Why I do agree with you...Ellis is on a dirt cheap contract...so we really have no reason to cut him. Burnett has value especially when it comes down to a 4-3 team. If I had to guess what guy goes it would be Burnett...but I guess someone would have to show interest for that to happen.
Even with the injury he is good for a few snaps per game. Say this Burnett has more trade value and we eventually will lose him if he don't play.
cowboysforever is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 09:25 AM    (permalink
Canadian_draft_fan
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 853
Reputation: 5708
Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.Canadian_draft_fan wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.
Default great action figure

Posted on Ebay. You Cowboy fans should love it!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/DALLAS-TONY-ROMO...ayphotohosting
Canadian_draft_fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 09:27 AM    (permalink
bigmac076
Veteran
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 1,809
Reputation: 28394
bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default Re: great action figure

Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadian_draft_fan
Posted on Ebay. You Cowboy fans should love it!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/DALLAS-TONY-ROMO...ayphotohosting
real funny guy :roll:
__________________
bigmac076 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 11:45 AM    (permalink
bigmac076
Veteran
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 1,809
Reputation: 28394
bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

How does this look for day one at the draft?

1st - Amobi Okoye / 2nd - Josh Beekman / 3rd - Dallas Baker

__________________
bigmac076 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 11:58 AM    (permalink
thule
Team Leader
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Grand Forks, ND
Posts: 12,000
Reputation: 243071
thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboysforever
But based on what I read you would prefer we use FA for an OLB and use the second round for a FS. I prefer the oppositte.
Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
We need to get Roy playing the Rover in the Nickle...this would leave Burnett and Roy as so called lb's...Then leave Watkins/Piscitelli as the safeties....or if we sign our vet...Sharper/Watkins deep and the best part of this is...if Roy shows the ability to play the Rover Burnett become completely expendable..which leaves room to draft a pass rushing specialist.
Really the only guy I want is Thomas...and we have about a 1:25 chance of landing him...I just tried to plan out ever concievable angle.

Like you said Briggs is a good player but probabally undersized...and wouldn't really give us anything that we don't have.

So in reality I would love to go after Sharper...but thats just as bold as predicting we are gonna sign Thomas.

The only place I'm confident that will be addressed in FA is OG since it is deep....we really have noone to step in...and we can't find someone with leadership and experience in the draft...which is something out OL needs.
__________________

Designs by me
Quote:
[00:37] <toonster> i mean, i can talk dirty
thule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 12:02 PM    (permalink
cowboysforever
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,078
Reputation: 41
cowboysforever hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigmac076
How does this look for day one at the draft?

1st - Amobi Okoye / 2nd - Josh Beekman / 3rd - Dallas Baker

Based on a series of comments and assuming we get FA OG help -- I change my mock. But FA drives lots of this ........

Round 1: Michael Bush (RB) or Sidney Rice (WR) or Marshawn Lynch (WR) or Robert Meacham (WR) or D Jarrett (WR)
Round 2: Jarvis Moss or Woodley or Name Any Athletic Tweener
Round 3: If RB in 1 -- CB or FS. If WR in 1 -- RB, Booker (TB) -- this may seem odd but I think if we go WR in 1 it is b/c we took BPA so in three I go back to needs.
Round 4: A fat guy for OG for practice squad likely or Jordan Palmer (QB)
Round 5: Steve Breaston (WR/PR/KR) or Ryan Moore (WR)
Round 6: Justin Medlock (K)
Round 7: More fat guys for DT. One of these late fat NT will stick. Maybe Montavius comes around.

I think, however, we should look for some trades to get another 2 or 3 or both. Be nice to have a younger, more athletic picks at Guard and Tackle going into 2007/2008. Staley (LT) and Grubbs (OG) come to mind as 2nd and 3rd picks. Also maybe a FS like Pisc*&^%^$# Guy if he has the athletics. I have no problem trading Burneet, Davis, Jones, R. Williams to get this done either. Assuming guys I hate like TO and James are untradable.

Not sold on Louisville NT kid. Rutgers ran all over them and they are not that talented other than Rice and Leonard. But I have not clue -- one game.
cowboysforever is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 12:06 PM    (permalink
cowboysforever
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,078
Reputation: 41
cowboysforever hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboysforever
But based on what I read you would prefer we use FA for an OLB and use the second round for a FS. I prefer the oppositte.
Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
We need to get Roy playing the Rover in the Nickle...this would leave Burnett and Roy as so called lb's...Then leave Watkins/Piscitelli as the safeties....or if we sign our vet...Sharper/Watkins deep and the best part of this is...if Roy shows the ability to play the Rover Burnett become completely expendable..which leaves room to draft a pass rushing specialist.
Really the only guy I want is Thomas...and we have about a 1:25 chance of landing him...I just tried to plan out ever concievable angle.

Like you said Briggs is a good player but probabally undersized...and wouldn't really give us anything that we don't have.

So in reality I would love to go after Sharper...but thats just as bold as predicting we are gonna sign Thomas.

The only place I'm confident that will be addressed in FA is OG since it is deep....we really have noone to step in...and we can't find someone with leadership and experience in the draft...which is something out OL needs.
Thomas is going back to Nolan at SFO. 40MM under cap and young D that could use a guy like Thomas who worked his way into Pro Bowl status.

But if we can trade LB back log by the grace of god (we won't) then why not Thomas. But you need to get rid of at least Burnett and one of the starting 4 except Ware.

But yeah ... OG is about one place where there is Supply to meet Demand. Also Guard is tough to play as a rookie and if you want a SB next year Rookie Guards should be backup and practice squad dudes.

But hey, we can dream right?
cowboysforever is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 12:10 PM    (permalink
DMWSackMachine
The Truth
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,781
Reputation: 35211
DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

You may have noticed, but Adalius Thomas was named to the 1st team AP All-Pro Team. If you can find a way to get a player with that kind of ability and impact on your team, then you are always interested, no matter who else you may or may not have to move to get him in there, you just do.

That said, there is very, very little chance that we get the guy. In the first place, it has not been our m.o. to compete for the #1 prized FA in the pool, we just don't like to get into bidding wars and end up overpaying - which is what happens every single time. In the second, what are the chances that Baltimore lets its most productive and (arguably) best defensive player go? And lastly, what are the chances that - even if he hits the market - he wants to come here? Just not going to happen, although I would be thrilled if we got him.

But, like I have stated before, the biggest problem with this entire team is that we weren't able to mount enough of a rush for most of the season. Ellis coming back at full strength will help in that, but we still need more. Big plays on defense come out of the pass rush, and we weren't making enough big plays to win consistently.

The biggest thing we need is to find a big D-lineman that can provide push in the base defense and then give us some quality pressure in the nickel as well. Hatcher - if he improves significantly on an already impressive rookie season - can definately be that guy. But you just simply can't afford to bank on that kind of thing. We need our own Richard Seymour or Leonard Marshall type to make this thing really come to fruition. This is why Spears' struggles are likely the most damaging thing to us on this entire defense. He's been pretty good against the run - though admittedly inconsistent - but he just has done next to nothing against the pass all year long. I'm wondering if maybe he's having a hard time getting into a rhythm with all the shuffling we do up front.

I want to be clear here, even if we don't do a damn thing but just come back with the same roster plus our draft class, I still think we win a minimum of 10 games, with a ceiling of as many as 13. We will be SB contenders - barring major injuries or unforeseen declines in play. I think a lot of the problems that we had this year were of the "if-it's-not-one-thing-it's-another" variety. If you want to really look at it, our FS problems were not that bad towards the end of the year. Watkins was not directly involved in another long completion after he came back to the starting line-up. So you really can't just pin-point one specific area. One game it would be one player or group making tons of mistakes to cost us the game, and the next it would be a completely different player/group making completely different (though no less costly) mistakes.

Again, there were very few games this year where the "breaks" went our way. We could have easily been 11-5 or 12-4 with not much going differently this season. We have endured a QB controversy and eventual mid-season switch. We have endured the weekly media-spawned TO incidents. We have dealt with one guy (FS) costing us a shot at multiple games. We have been victimized by one of the most improbable and BS ridden ends to a game you will ever see (@ Washington). All that, and it still took a complete breakdown of epic proportions to prevent us from winning the division and likely earning a 1st round bye.

Meanwhile, we have certain posters coming in and trying to make these wholesale changes to a defense that was very staunch for most of the year, but had an unfortunate tendency to give up long pass plays. Oh, this person is slow, that person is slow, this person needs traded...etc etc. We have quality players at nearly every position on our team. FS, LDE, SOLB(after Ellis went down), and QB were the main problem areas for our team this season. We also had decent-but-would-like-to-get-more play from both OGs, RDE, SS, RB. Besides that, I would say that pretty much every other position on our team was very good. People that say that Anthony Henry struggled this season are up in the night. Does anyone realize that he tied the record for passes defensed this season? Yes, he was beaten a few times, and developed the bursa sac problem near the end of the year, but he was very good throughout.

The point of all this is that we shouldn't be over reacting to specific plays that happened in one game, or even to the team-wide malaise that ruined our December. We need to focus on the specific problem areas that reared their head throughout the season. That is, in no particular order:

- Pass rush
- Deep patrol
- O-line push in run-game

Besides that, we should also look into developing young players to take over for the few aging vets on our roster at WR, NT and LT.

We have a very nice roster, with playmakers at nearly every position you would want them. There is no reason to be asking for people's heads or making overly-reactive posts aimed at people that we consider to be the culprits for this season. I have mentioned before that this was a season in which it just wasn't going to click for us. I have also compared us to the Seahawks of 04, a team that came out the next year with very little difference in the roster and dominated the NFC on their was to the SB. I expect us to do something similar next year.
__________________
Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by 21ST View Post
He was protecting his self
Quote:
Originally Posted by tjsunstein View Post
From what? His leg?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paranoidmoonduck View Post
That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
"We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

DeMarcus Ware
DMWSackMachine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 12:18 PM    (permalink
DMWSackMachine
The Truth
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,781
Reputation: 35211
DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboysforever
But based on what I read you would prefer we use FA for an OLB and use the second round for a FS. I prefer the oppositte.
Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
We need to get Roy playing the Rover in the Nickle...this would leave Burnett and Roy as so called lb's...Then leave Watkins/Piscitelli as the safeties....or if we sign our vet...Sharper/Watkins deep and the best part of this is...if Roy shows the ability to play the Rover Burnett become completely expendable..which leaves room to draft a pass rushing specialist.
Really the only guy I want is Thomas...and we have about a 1:25 chance of landing him...I just tried to plan out ever concievable angle.

Like you said Briggs is a good player but probabally undersized...and wouldn't really give us anything that we don't have.

So in reality I would love to go after Sharper...but thats just as bold as predicting we are gonna sign Thomas.

The only place I'm confident that will be addressed in FA is OG since it is deep....we really have noone to step in...and we can't find someone with leadership and experience in the draft...which is something out OL needs.
I've been trying to tell people not to sleep on Proctor, this guy can really play. In fact, he was probably our best interior lineman during the preseason, and Parcells was constantly referring to him when asked about Peterman and the fact that he was a bust, suggesting that Proctor coming along was kind of making up for Peterman going belly up. This guy is, at the very least, going to be in consideration next year. That doesn't mean I don't want us to bring in a vet guard or anything, but rather that we don't HAVE to if the cost is going to be prohibitive.
__________________
Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by 21ST View Post
He was protecting his self
Quote:
Originally Posted by tjsunstein View Post
From what? His leg?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paranoidmoonduck View Post
That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
"We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

DeMarcus Ware
DMWSackMachine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 12:26 PM    (permalink
cowboysforever
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,078
Reputation: 41
cowboysforever hopes to escalate quickly but not get out of hand.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DMWSackMachine
Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboysforever
But based on what I read you would prefer we use FA for an OLB and use the second round for a FS. I prefer the oppositte.
Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
We need to get Roy playing the Rover in the Nickle...this would leave Burnett and Roy as so called lb's...Then leave Watkins/Piscitelli as the safeties....or if we sign our vet...Sharper/Watkins deep and the best part of this is...if Roy shows the ability to play the Rover Burnett become completely expendable..which leaves room to draft a pass rushing specialist.
Really the only guy I want is Thomas...and we have about a 1:25 chance of landing him...I just tried to plan out ever concievable angle.

Like you said Briggs is a good player but probabally undersized...and wouldn't really give us anything that we don't have.

So in reality I would love to go after Sharper...but thats just as bold as predicting we are gonna sign Thomas.

The only place I'm confident that will be addressed in FA is OG since it is deep....we really have noone to step in...and we can't find someone with leadership and experience in the draft...which is something out OL needs.
I've been trying to tell people not to sleep on Proctor, this guy can really play. In fact, he was probably our best interior lineman during the preseason, and Parcells was constantly referring to him when asked about Peterman and the fact that he was a bust, suggesting that Proctor coming along was kind of making up for Peterman going belly up. This guy is, at the very least, going to be in consideration next year. That doesn't mean I don't want us to bring in a vet guard or anything, but rather that we don't HAVE to if the cost is going to be prohibitive.
From your lips to God's ears. Personally, I think both our guards are lacking so .... even if Proctor comes through, we sign Colombo, we sign Gurode, Flo stays ... I would stil go FA for Davis/Steinbach/whoever and bench Kosier.

Bench is Kosier, McQuistan and rookie G.

As is, we likely lose Johnson for nothing. Rivera was a bust.
cowboysforever is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 12:45 PM    (permalink
thule
Team Leader
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Grand Forks, ND
Posts: 12,000
Reputation: 243071
thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboysforever
Quote:
Originally Posted by DMWSackMachine
Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboysforever
But based on what I read you would prefer we use FA for an OLB and use the second round for a FS. I prefer the oppositte.
Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
We need to get Roy playing the Rover in the Nickle...this would leave Burnett and Roy as so called lb's...Then leave Watkins/Piscitelli as the safeties....or if we sign our vet...Sharper/Watkins deep and the best part of this is...if Roy shows the ability to play the Rover Burnett become completely expendable..which leaves room to draft a pass rushing specialist.
Really the only guy I want is Thomas...and we have about a 1:25 chance of landing him...I just tried to plan out ever concievable angle.

Like you said Briggs is a good player but probabally undersized...and wouldn't really give us anything that we don't have.

So in reality I would love to go after Sharper...but thats just as bold as predicting we are gonna sign Thomas.

The only place I'm confident that will be addressed in FA is OG since it is deep....we really have noone to step in...and we can't find someone with leadership and experience in the draft...which is something out OL needs.
I've been trying to tell people not to sleep on Proctor, this guy can really play. In fact, he was probably our best interior lineman during the preseason, and Parcells was constantly referring to him when asked about Peterman and the fact that he was a bust, suggesting that Proctor coming along was kind of making up for Peterman going belly up. This guy is, at the very least, going to be in consideration next year. That doesn't mean I don't want us to bring in a vet guard or anything, but rather that we don't HAVE to if the cost is going to be prohibitive.
From your lips to God's ears. Personally, I think both our guards are lacking so .... even if Proctor comes through, we sign Colombo, we sign Gurode, Flo stays ... I would stil go FA for Davis/Steinbach/whoever and bench Kosier.

Bench is Kosier, McQuistan and rookie G.

As is, we likely lose Johnson for nothing. Rivera was a bust.
I agree Proctor showed us somethin in TC..but I'll definately want to see it again...after all neither of our OG were ever being considered to be replaced..which has to make you think. This makes me even more avid to get a FA OG over a drafted guy. We have a developing youth that has the ability but just needs a bit of time....

Kosier was cap money well spent. We got a guy decently priced with veteran experience...and the versatility to play anywhere on the line. He is no Larry Allen but we knew that coming in. He is great when asked to pull and only seems to get abused when going up against bigger DT's on the bull rush...but 1 on 1 he should get beat...I mean Gurode was almost exclusively helping Rivera...and when he wasn't we all know what happened.

My question of the day is...if we bring in a solid smash mouth OG...would Koiser move the the right side to give us the beef to punch it in on the left side. Another thing this would enable...is second level blocking...If we had a LG that could get a solid push it would enable us to let Flozell get to the second level and thus Koiser could pull and kick out the DE...I wanna come out of FA with a mauler...I really think that could help our short yardage game...Koiser is a good player...but you can't ask him to get a great push when he is outweighed by 40lbs.
__________________

Designs by me
Quote:
[00:37] <toonster> i mean, i can talk dirty
thule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 01:16 PM    (permalink
D-Unit
DC Administrator
Legend
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 60,487
Reputation: 2297261
D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboysforever
Quote:
Originally Posted by Modano
Do you think that someone like Alama-Frncis could be avaible in the 4th-5th round? Like Anderson last year.. I like the idea of bringin an DE/OLB tweener to play 10-15 snaps a game lining up as a DE in the nickel..
Alibaba Francis will not. Kiper is chatting him up. He is 6'6, 260 and "they say" he runs like the wind. Former hoops guy too and that is fashionable.

He may be this years Ware.
Ikaika is actually a good run stuffer, but he only occassionally gets to the QB. Dallas needs someone that can create pressure. He played DE in Hawaii's 3-4 system under Jerry Glanville. I don't see him as an OLB in the NFL. I'll question his speed until it's timed. I've seen him play all year and he's the type that is in a lot of plays, but doesn't always stick out. Sounds weird, but that's how it is. The real playmaker on the Hawaii DL was Mel Purcell who knocked several QBs and RBs out of games this past year. He's devastating, but he doesn't get the hype. Don't know why...
D-Unit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 01:26 PM    (permalink
DMWSackMachine
The Truth
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,781
Reputation: 35211
DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.DMWSackMachine is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboysforever
Quote:
Originally Posted by DMWSackMachine
Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboysforever
But based on what I read you would prefer we use FA for an OLB and use the second round for a FS. I prefer the oppositte.
Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
We need to get Roy playing the Rover in the Nickle...this would leave Burnett and Roy as so called lb's...Then leave Watkins/Piscitelli as the safeties....or if we sign our vet...Sharper/Watkins deep and the best part of this is...if Roy shows the ability to play the Rover Burnett become completely expendable..which leaves room to draft a pass rushing specialist.
Really the only guy I want is Thomas...and we have about a 1:25 chance of landing him...I just tried to plan out ever concievable angle.

Like you said Briggs is a good player but probabally undersized...and wouldn't really give us anything that we don't have.

So in reality I would love to go after Sharper...but thats just as bold as predicting we are gonna sign Thomas.

The only place I'm confident that will be addressed in FA is OG since it is deep....we really have noone to step in...and we can't find someone with leadership and experience in the draft...which is something out OL needs.
I've been trying to tell people not to sleep on Proctor, this guy can really play. In fact, he was probably our best interior lineman during the preseason, and Parcells was constantly referring to him when asked about Peterman and the fact that he was a bust, suggesting that Proctor coming along was kind of making up for Peterman going belly up. This guy is, at the very least, going to be in consideration next year. That doesn't mean I don't want us to bring in a vet guard or anything, but rather that we don't HAVE to if the cost is going to be prohibitive.
From your lips to God's ears. Personally, I think both our guards are lacking so .... even if Proctor comes through, we sign Colombo, we sign Gurode, Flo stays ... I would stil go FA for Davis/Steinbach/whoever and bench Kosier.

Bench is Kosier, McQuistan and rookie G.

As is, we likely lose Johnson for nothing. Rivera was a bust.
I agree Proctor showed us somethin in TC..but I'll definately want to see it again...after all neither of our OG were ever being considered to be replaced..which has to make you think. This makes me even more avid to get a FA OG over a drafted guy. We have a developing youth that has the ability but just needs a bit of time....

Kosier was cap money well spent. We got a guy decently priced with veteran experience...and the versatility to play anywhere on the line. He is no Larry Allen but we knew that coming in. He is great when asked to pull and only seems to get abused when going up against bigger DT's on the bull rush...but 1 on 1 he should get beat...I mean Gurode was almost exclusively helping Rivera...and when he wasn't we all know what happened.

My question of the day is...if we bring in a solid smash mouth OG...would Koiser move the the right side to give us the beef to punch it in on the left side. Another thing this would enable...is second level blocking...If we had a LG that could get a solid push it would enable us to let Flozell get to the second level and thus Koiser could pull and kick out the DE...I wanna come out of FA with a mauler...I really think that could help our short yardage game...Koiser is a good player...but you can't ask him to get a great push when he is outweighed by 40lbs.
It's easy to say "I want to get (fill in the blank) in FA", but you have to realize that it's just a list of players. If you want a mauler, you have to come up with a specific name. Leonard Davis is not a guard. He's waaaaay too tall, and a perenial underachiever to boot. Steinbach is the best choice, but there will be a lot of competition for his services, and even then I don't think he is a major road-grader type like you are hoping for (though I am not positive because I haven't watched him play much). Besides that, who is out there that will be available and fit your bill? I can't think of anyone who doesn't give me serious pause.
__________________
Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by 21ST View Post
He was protecting his self
Quote:
Originally Posted by tjsunstein View Post
From what? His leg?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paranoidmoonduck View Post
That leg has had it out for him since day 1.
"We're the quiet guys, the guys before the storm. And then we hit you."

DeMarcus Ware
DMWSackMachine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 01:29 PM    (permalink
bigmac076
Veteran
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 1,809
Reputation: 28394
bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigmac076 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

I think Rattay would be a good pickup for backup QB if Bledsoe is definetly leaving.
__________________
bigmac076 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 01:49 PM    (permalink
D-Unit
DC Administrator
Legend
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 60,487
Reputation: 2297261
D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.D-Unit is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigmac076
My Big Board

1. Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville - I gotta say, I know this isn't the top need but, this guy has so much upside to him it would be hard to pass him up. You may have heard it before, but I'll say it again, 4 years of D-1A experience and only 20 years young!

2. Justin Blalock, G, Texas - Definetly the more realistic choice. We have a couple of young RBs but up front we are getting long in the tooth. The "Marco Rivera Era" is over in mind.

3. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State - Also a great pick to bring some youth to our O-Line. At 6-5 328 a perfect OT-OG tweener to grab in the first round.

4. Sidney Rice, WR, South Carolina - With Glenn and Ownes both drafted over 10 years ago, WR is also a position where could stand to get younger. Even though we have a plethora of young propects at WR, none of them posses the natural talent of Mr. Rice.

5. Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno St. - I like this kids combonation of size and speed. Aaron Glenn, even though he holds his own, is not long for this league and we need to start thinking about the possibilty of Henry moving to Safety and plugging in a true playmaker a CB along with Newman.
Okoye is a hit or miss prospect and I'm not sure that he really projects well to a 3-4 NT prospect. He could either be a huge flop or a huge success. Buyer beware.

Blalock would be great, but will we address OG in FA first?

I fully support drafting Brown.

I would support drafting Ginn, but not Rice.
Side Note: I am a HUGE believer that Miles Austin will turn into something special.

McCauley is a scrub imo. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole.
D-Unit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 02:03 PM    (permalink
Paul
All-NFLDC
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Dallas
Posts: 11,648
Reputation: 1352556
Paul is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Paul is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Paul is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Paul is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Paul is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Paul is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Paul is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Paul is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Paul is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Paul is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Paul is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

If TO is gone, which I am a big proponent of. I would love Robert Meachum in the 1st. And i think we could trade down and we could still get him. But Blalock is still on top of my list.
Paul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 02:03 PM    (permalink
bigbluedefense
Team Leader
Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Jersey
Posts: 28,838
Reputation: 3934030
bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.bigbluedefense is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Unit
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigmac076
My Big Board

1. Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville - I gotta say, I know this isn't the top need but, this guy has so much upside to him it would be hard to pass him up. You may have heard it before, but I'll say it again, 4 years of D-1A experience and only 20 years young!

2. Justin Blalock, G, Texas - Definetly the more realistic choice. We have a couple of young RBs but up front we are getting long in the tooth. The "Marco Rivera Era" is over in mind.

3. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State - Also a great pick to bring some youth to our O-Line. At 6-5 328 a perfect OT-OG tweener to grab in the first round.

4. Sidney Rice, WR, South Carolina - With Glenn and Ownes both drafted over 10 years ago, WR is also a position where could stand to get younger. Even though we have a plethora of young propects at WR, none of them posses the natural talent of Mr. Rice.

5. Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno St. - I like this kids combonation of size and speed. Aaron Glenn, even though he holds his own, is not long for this league and we need to start thinking about the possibilty of Henry moving to Safety and plugging in a true playmaker a CB along with Newman.
Okoye is a hit or miss prospect and I'm not sure that he really projects well to a 3-4 NT prospect. He could either be a huge flop or a huge success. Buyer beware.

Blalock would be great, but will we address OG in FA first?

I fully support drafting Brown.

I would support drafting Ginn, but not Rice.
Side Note: I am a HUGE believer that Miles Austin will turn into something special.

McCauley is a scrub imo. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole.
whats your opinion of DeShawyn Wynn? Im hoping the Giants nab him as a late round sleeper, but I wouldn't be surprised either if you guys let go of Julius Jones and draft this guy in later rounds to keep that 1,2 punch you have going.
__________________
bigbluedefense is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2007, 02:08 PM    (permalink
thule
Team Leader
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Grand Forks, ND
Posts: 12,000
Reputation: 243071
thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.thule is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DMWSackMachine
Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboysforever
Quote:
Originally Posted by DMWSackMachine
Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboysforever
But based on what I read you would prefer we use FA for an OLB and use the second round for a FS. I prefer the oppositte.
Quote:
Originally Posted by thule
We need to get Roy playing the Rover in the Nickle...this would leave Burnett and Roy as so called lb's...Then leave Watkins/Piscitelli as the safeties....or if we sign our vet...Sharper/Watkins deep and the best part of this is...if Roy shows the ability to play the Rover Burnett become completely expendable..which leaves room to draft a pass rushing specialist.
Really the only guy I want is Thomas...and we have about a 1:25 chance of landing him...I just tried to plan out ever concievable angle.

Like you said Briggs is a good player but probabally undersized...and wouldn't really give us anything that we don't have.

So in reality I would love to go after Sharper...but thats just as bold as predicting we are gonna sign Thomas.

The only place I'm confident that will be addressed in FA is OG since it is deep....we really have noone to step in...and we can't find someone with leadership and experience in the draft...which is something out OL needs.
I've been trying to tell people not to sleep on Proctor, this guy can really play. In fact, he was probably our best interior lineman during the preseason, and Parcells was constantly referring to him when asked about Peterman and the fact that he was a bust, suggesting that Proctor coming along was kind of making up for Peterman going belly up. This guy is, at the very least, going to be in consideration next year. That doesn't mean I don't want us to bring in a vet guard or anything, but rather that we don't HAVE to if the cost is going to be prohibitive.
From your lips to God's ears. Personally, I think both our guards are lacking so .... even if Proctor comes through, we sign Colombo, we sign Gurode, Flo stays ... I would stil go FA for Davis/Steinbach/whoever and bench Kosier.

Bench is Kosier, McQuistan and rookie G.

As is, we likely lose Johnson for nothing. Rivera was a bust.
I agree Proctor showed us somethin in TC..but I'll definately want to see it again...after all neither of our OG were ever being considered to be replaced..which has to make you think. This makes me even more avid to get a FA OG over a drafted guy. We have a developing youth that has the ability but just needs a bit of time....

Kosier was cap money well spent. We got a guy decently priced with veteran experience...and the versatility to play anywhere on the line. He is no Larry Allen but we knew that coming in. He is great when asked to pull and only seems to get abused when going up against bigger DT's on the bull rush...but 1 on 1 he should get beat...I mean Gurode was almost exclusively helping Rivera...and when he wasn't we all know what happened.

My question of the day is...if we bring in a solid smash mouth OG...would Koiser move the the right side to give us the beef to punch it in on the left side. Another thing this would enable...is second level blocking...If we had a LG that could get a solid push it would enable us to let Flozell get to the second level and thus Koiser could pull and kick out the DE...I wanna come out of FA with a mauler...I really think that could help our short yardage game...Koiser is a good player...but you can't ask him to get a great push when he is outweighed by 40lbs.
It's easy to say "I want to get (fill in the blank) in FA", but you have to realize that it's just a list of players. If you want a mauler, you have to come up with a specific name. Leonard Davis is not a guard. He's waaaaay too tall, and a perenial underachiever to boot. Steinbach is the best choice, but there will be a lot of competition for his services, and even then I don't think he is a major road-grader type like you are hoping for (though I am not positive because I haven't watched him play much). Besides that, who is out there that will be available and fit your bill? I can't think of anyone who doesn't give me serious pause.
My list goes like this...
1- Eric Steinbach, UFA, Bengals
2- Derrick Dockery, UFA, Washington Redskins
3- Jordan Black, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
__________________

Designs by me
Quote:
[00:37] <toonster> i mean, i can talk dirty
thule is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:13 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.