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Old 08-13-2013, 06:32 PM    (permalink
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I think they also considered BPA. They said they had a 1st round grade on him, IIRC.

We've been lucky to have a healthy Witten, but he's getting older. Banking on him to stay healthy is starting to get riskier.
If we were going BPA we wouldnt have traded down and gotten screwed with that value. I sure dont remember ANYBODY with a 1st round grade on him. We didnt even have a 1st round grade on Fredrick. We have been AVERAGE for how many years now? When your an average team, your first 3 picks need to be starters or at least MAJOR contributors day1! We arent the Patriots that can afford to draft in hopes a guy can contribute in the future because our starters are so good. Ya'll have been drinking some serious JJ Koolaid or something.
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If we were going BPA we wouldnt have traded down and gotten screwed with that value. I sure dont remember ANYBODY with a 1st round grade on him. We didnt even have a 1st round grade on Fredrick. We have been AVERAGE for how many years now? When your an average team, your first 3 picks need to be starters or at least MAJOR contributors day1! We arent the Patriots that can afford to draft in hopes a guy can contribute in the future because our starters are so good. Ya'll have been drinking some serious JJ Koolaid or something.
This is exactly why the Cleveland Browns are the Cleveland Browns. You draft for today and you remain average for the foreseeable future. You either want to be competing for the SB or for the #1 pick. Mediocrity is the worst.

The "now" strategy equals that atrocious "special teams" draft that we had. I refuse to even mention the year.

The "future" strategy nets you Sean Lee, Bruce Carter, Dez Bryant, Tyron Smith, (this one is cheating a bit since it was our #1 need and #1 long-ball projection). I'd say Garrett has shown he is playing long-ball and it has taken the team from a depth-less team to a team with a strong core and developing youth at the majority of spots on the roster.

I absolutely disagree with the notion that top picks MUST take the field year one. Are you telling me that taking Dez would have been a mistake if we had 2 capable outside guys? ... Wait we had both Miles Austin and Roy Williams (whom was still considered "good" ....yesssssh). Were you upset that Dallas took a THIRD outside WR when we had massive needs elsewhere or was it a good pick because you viewed his potential?

The draft isn't a one size fits all but drafting for need is the best way to continue being mediocre while teams pick up bargains and future starters at the end of every round.
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If we were going BPA we wouldnt have traded down and gotten screwed with that value. I sure dont remember ANYBODY with a 1st round grade on him. We didnt even have a 1st round grade on Fredrick. We have been AVERAGE for how many years now? When your an average team, your first 3 picks need to be starters or at least MAJOR contributors day1! We arent the Patriots that can afford to draft in hopes a guy can contribute in the future because our starters are so good. Ya'll have been drinking some serious JJ Koolaid or something.
We didn't have a 1st round grade on Frederick, but the Cowboys did.

We have been an average team. ... no going around that. But the reason is because of 1 man. TONY F'N ROMO. Don't even get me started.

He's a gunslinger. He'll win miraculously and lose miraculously.

We'll only win with him if we fix everything around him first.
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-_- Really D? The reason we have been mediocre is due to our QB whom is statistically top 5 all-time by QBR.

Our defense has been a folding chair for years.

Our running game has been putrid.

Our offensive line has been a laughing stock that only this year may have a chance of giving our skill position the ability to shine.

Does Romo lose spectacularly? Of course but only after keeping the team in the position to be close. Any "average" or even "above-average" QB over his term with the team and we would have been drafting top 10. The notion that a "safe" QB would result in additional wins is laughable.
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This is exactly why the Cleveland Browns are the Cleveland Browns. You draft for today and you remain average for the foreseeable future. You either want to be competing for the SB or for the #1 pick. Mediocrity is the worst.

The "now" strategy equals that atrocious "special teams" draft that we had. I refuse to even mention the year.

The "future" strategy nets you Sean Lee, Bruce Carter, Dez Bryant, Tyron Smith, (this one is cheating a bit since it was our #1 need and #1 long-ball projection). I'd say Garrett has shown he is playing long-ball and it has taken the team from a depth-less team to a team with a strong core and developing youth at the majority of spots on the roster.

I absolutely disagree with the notion that top picks MUST take the field year one. Are you telling me that taking Dez would have been a mistake if we had 2 capable outside guys? ... Wait we had both Miles Austin and Roy Williams (whom was still considered "good" ....yesssssh). Were you upset that Dallas took a THIRD outside WR when we had massive needs elsewhere or was it a good pick because you viewed his potential?

The draft isn't a one size fits all but drafting for need is the best way to continue being mediocre while teams pick up bargains and future starters at the end of every round.
And yet we Reeeeeeeeeeeeeached for a Center because he was a need right? IDK how you can defend our drafts when we are like 138-138 over the last 18 years or whatever it is. Roy Williams SUCKED and Dez made him his bit*h day 1. Carry my pads rookie, I dont think so! LOL.

I am all about drafting for value, Dez had top 5 written all over him, not mad getting him in the 20's. Sean Lee and Bruce Carter had 1st round grades and we got them in the 2nd. We had a need at RB one year and had value staring us right in the face, Steven Jackson anyone? What did we do? Got cute, traded down and took Julous Jones. Howd that work out again?

This year we had the #5 pick on OUR draft board (thats why we pay the scouts right?) fall to us at 18 and we pass. The best TE in the draft staring us in the face and we pass, get screwed in a trade down and reach for need.

I guess we just see things differently but if Red is going to get credit for Dez, Lee, and Carter he has to take the blame for AOA, Young, Wall, Arkin, Thomas, Nagy, McGee, Felix, Bennett, Bernadeau, Livings ect ect right?

Dont get me wrong, I think Garrett has done a good job of bringing in better, younger talent than what we had when he took over and I am rooting for him to succeed but I think JJ still gets in his way to much. This draft had JJ all over it to me *shrugs*
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-_- Really D? The reason we have been mediocre is due to our QB whom is statistically top 5 all-time by QBR.

Our defense has been a folding chair for years.

Our running game has been putrid.

Our offensive line has been a laughing stock that only this year may have a chance of giving our skill position the ability to shine.

Does Romo lose spectacularly? Of course but only after keeping the team in the position to be close. Any "average" or even "above-average" QB over his term with the team and we would have been drafting top 10. The notion that a "safe" QB would result in additional wins is laughable.
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-_- Really D? The reason we have been mediocre is due to our QB whom is statistically top 5 all-time by QBR.

Our defense has been a folding chair for years.

Our running game has been putrid.

Our offensive line has been a laughing stock that only this year may have a chance of giving our skill position the ability to shine.

Does Romo lose spectacularly? Of course but only after keeping the team in the position to be close. Any "average" or even "above-average" QB over his term with the team and we would have been drafting top 10. The notion that a "safe" QB would result in additional wins is laughable.
Meh. He had 13 Pro Bowlers and a Week 1 Bye in the Playoffs and he still lost.
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Meh. He had 13 Pro Bowlers and a Week 1 Bye in the Playoffs and he still lost.
Yeah, HE lost that game Patrick Crayton says hi, BTW
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Yeah, HE lost that game Patrick Crayton says hi, BTW
Pretty sure Patrick Crayton was working his ass off while Romo and Jessica were party'n it up in Cancuun.

But yea... it's always something around Romo. We agree. If everything else is perfect, I think we have a legitimate chance. If anything is broken, the record has shown his failures. It's factual.
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Pretty sure Patrick Crayton was working his ass off while Romo and Jessica were party'n it up in Cancuun.

But yea... it's always something around Romo. We agree. If everything else is perfect, I think we have a legitimate chance. If anything is broken, the record has shown his failures. It's factual.
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ROFL D - that's just sad you need to sheep pop media in order to fight this battle.

Facts are things like statistics you can quantify. You meant "opinion".

A fact would be that Tony Romo's career QBR is 95.6. FIFTH all-time. That's 0.1 behind Peyton Manning.

BUT BUT QBR sucks. Fair enough how about advanced metrics? Lets say... Adjusted Yards per Pass Attempt: 3rd all-time. Damn how about Adjusted Net Yards per Pass Attempt (ANY/A) aka the metric stat geeks love using to predict game winners at a relatively reliable rate... 4th all-time.

Yes Tony Romo has had zero post-season success. Given that this is a team sport and by ALL accounts the talent pool at Dallas was VERY overrated during 07 and 08 it's not shocking that the team hasn't won in the playoffs. They flat out weren't good enough unless Tony had a great game.

I'm definitely done arguing this though. I knew it would regress to an opinion versus statistical argument but I couldn't avoid making it.
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ROFL D - that's just sad you need to sheep pop media in order to fight this battle.

Facts are things like statistics you can quantify. You meant "opinion".

A fact would be that Tony Romo's career QBR is 95.6. FIFTH all-time. That's 0.1 behind Peyton Manning.

BUT BUT QBR sucks. Fair enough how about advanced metrics? Lets say... Adjusted Yards per Pass Attempt: 3rd all-time. Damn how about Adjusted Net Yards per Pass Attempt (ANY/A) aka the metric stat geeks love using to predict game winners at a relatively reliable rate... 4th all-time.

Yes Tony Romo has had zero post-season success. Given that this is a team sport and by ALL accounts the talent pool at Dallas was VERY overrated during 07 and 08 it's not shocking that the team hasn't won in the playoffs. They flat out weren't good enough unless Tony had a great game.

I'm definitely done arguing this though. I knew it would regress to an opinion versus statistical argument but I couldn't avoid making it.
Stats are like a bikini. You see some, but not all. When you look at the weapons that Romo has had, is it that far fetched to believe other less heralded QBs would've had just as nice "statistical" success as Romo? I feel the answer is no. That QBs like Matt Schaub, Jay Cutler, Phillip Rivers, etc... would've been right there or better if they were in his boat.... even though they aren't listed in the "TOP 5 QBR"....

I'm ok with him. There are a lot worse. He keeps me positive because I know if the rest of the team plays good, we can win.

The good news is that I think we fixed a lot of things in the offseason. Not 100% but maybe we can get lucky with health and some key developments from other youngsters.
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Oh trust me... if the Cowboys were ever to win a SB, it would be "He" finally won.
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The media has placed the wins and losses squarely on the QB shoulders and guys like D seem to run with that til their legs fall off.
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JEZZ. This is still going on? I think some people forget that Crayton had his worst game ever. If he makes the easy catches, the boys win.

Let me say this. I think interior line was our #1 need. We got an interior lineman from Wisconsin. I think that is real solid. I understand that with the cap it is better to draft skill players early. I really do. But that is if all things are equal. They aren't. We needed interior Oline. I personally would have taken Lacy in the second, and I am not happy with a few of their picks. But The first one was just fine. Wish they would have got more in the trade and drafted more Oline. But The first pick was just fine.
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The media has placed the wins and losses squarely on the QB shoulders and guys like D seem to run with that til their legs fall off.
He lead the league in interceptions last year. That ain't a product of the media.

Romo gonna be Romo.
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The media has placed the wins and losses squarely on the QB shoulders and guys like D seem to run with that til their legs fall off.
In fairness, he had A LOT to do with losing the Washington game. 3 picks is 3 picks, and the last one was a season ender. Yes I know the Skins ran for a ton of yards but they weren't scoring a lot of points, the D kept us in it despite the 2 first quarter INTs. It was a common theme last year where our offense took 2, sometimes 3 quarters to come alive... IIRC we were a bottom 3 1st half offense last year in terms of scoring. The QB shouldn't be the only one who gets the blame for it but he definitely plays a major hand in it.

At this point, I don't have confidence that Romo can give us 3 or 4 consecutive good games in the playoffs to make a run... and I'm pointing to his track record in win or go home games when I say that.

It's frustrating as hell because he does play like a top QB for stretches of the season, but he's still inconsistent and is capable of laying an egg on any given week. And when Romo lays an egg it's typically the type of game where 1 mistake snowballs into multiple mistakes, see NYG, CHI, WASH.

He's the definition of feast or famine. It ain't called the Romo-coaster for nothing.

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D is just being D and stirring the pot like he always does. He rides the highs and rides the lows.
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The biggest problem with this team is between the ears. Look no further than our last game. 1st and 10 t the 16 after our D gets a turnover, DeMarco goes off the left tackle for an 8 yard gain but there is a hold so instead of 2nd and 2 at the 8 we have 1st and 10 at the 26 and settle on a FG. Then we get in the red zone again and get a false start IIRC then the blocked FG. Combine that with the continued sorry play of our STs and it seems we are always shooting ourselves in the foot. Ive never seen a team with more stupid, badly timed penalties in my life.
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D is just being D and stirring the pot like he always does. He rides the highs and rides the lows.
We ALL ride the highs and lows bro.

That doesn't mean my opinion changes with the wind. I have consistently been standoffish on Romo. No matter how much I want to believe in him, he always ends up disappointing me off knucklehead type decisions.

I don't hate him. We've had waaaay worse and there are waaaaay worse out there. I don't envy being one of those teams with a QB who doesn't even give you a chance.

I may exaggerate on the idea that the team needs to be "Perfect" around him, but the point is he needs a lot of things going right for him. A complete OL.. any weakness on the OL puts fear in our hearts... Healthy receivers... Yes, more fear anytime Dez or Miles has been hurt... Thank the Lord we've had a healthy Witten for as long as we have had. We all saw the pity this team endured whenever we have had injured RBs. Night and day without our top backs in the game. Murray getting hurt last year was a killer. Felix before him. Barber before him. Julius before him. ... though when healhty and producing the Cowboys are usually rockin'. How many defensive coordinators and styles do we need to go through before we finally stop blaming the defense and start making Romo more accountable? Rob's defense played fantastic throughout the year and he made adjustments that gave us chances to win when the odds were against him. But he got canned because the offense refused to take the blame. Oh yea.. and that too.... Don't forget we need to blame Garrett for his playcalling.

It's EVERYTHING else around Romo that gets torched while the guy get his sparkling new $108M dollar contract. Can I be allowed to put "some" criticism on his back? I think that's fair.
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The biggest problem with this team is between the ears. Look no further than our last game. 1st and 10 t the 16 after our D gets a turnover, DeMarco goes off the left tackle for an 8 yard gain but there is a hold so instead of 2nd and 2 at the 8 we have 1st and 10 at the 26 and settle on a FG. Then we get in the red zone again and get a false start IIRC then the blocked FG. Combine that with the continued sorry play of our STs and it seems we are always shooting ourselves in the foot. Ive never seen a team with more stupid, badly timed penalties in my life.
On the bright side, I think we made some improvements that will help us get over some of those hurdles. Taking Garrett out of the driver's seat as OC was probably the biggest thing. Frederick is the next biggest thing in my book. Tony HATES pressure up the middle. Outside pressure he can normally scramble away from, but when he gets attacked up the middle it's a nightmare for him. If he gets time to sit back like he he did last week, that will be awesome. Also, if this preseason is any kind of foreshadowing of our defense, then WOW. Speed in the front 7 and turnovers... me likey. We'll see how Monty does against spread option offenses though. That was his achilles heel at USC.
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As #Cowboys G Ron Leary has MRI on knee, one might assume G Brian Waters ready for phone to ring.

Hadnt heard this anybody have any info?
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As #Cowboys G Ron Leary has MRI on knee, one might assume G Brian Waters ready for phone to ring.

Hadnt heard this anybody have any info?
Already looking up the hot names on draft lists for OG in the 2014 NFL Draft.

You think we need 1 or 2?...... So terrible isn't it?
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