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Shouldn't invest so much on preseason games. The mood in here is "wow".

Get a grip of yourselves.

Not saying the gripes aren't warranted, but let's wait for Week 1 to start before we start crying.
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Shouldn't invest so much on preseason games. The mood in here is "wow".

Get a grip of yourselves.

Not saying the gripes aren't warranted, but let's wait for Week 1 to start before we start crying.
Its just that we've see it all before. How many years have we seen our STs suck? This preseason 2 fumbled punts and a blocked FG plus a 50+ return.

We hired a new ST coach so is it wrong for some of us to want to see improvment there, even if its only preseason?

Im sorry, Ive been on this board for 7 years and have never been this negative. Its just frustrating to see the same mistakes over and over. We move the ball up and down the field then kill ourselves with a TO or a stupid penalty and we even iced our own kicker after a game winning FG. Going into a new year you'd like to think your not going to see these things again even if its only preseason.

Our idenity is a team full of talent that keeps self destructing and cant get to the next level. Was hoping this year would be different but going by what Ive seen so far, its the same old same old *Shrugs*
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Its just that we've see it all before. How many years have we seen our STs suck? This preseason 2 fumbled punts and a blocked FG plus a 50+ return.

We hired a new ST coach so is it wrong for some of us to want to see improvment there, even if its only preseason?

Im sorry, Ive been on this board for 7 years and have never been this negative. Its just frustrating to see the same mistakes over and over. We move the ball up and down the field then kill ourselves with a TO or a stupid penalty and we even iced our own kicker after a game winning FG. Going into a new year you'd like to think your not going to see these things again even if its only preseason.

Our idenity is a team full of talent that keeps self destructing and cant get to the next level. Was hoping this year would be different but going by what Ive seen so far, its the same old same old *Shrugs*
I still think it's funny that you excuse Tony Romo.

He's going to be given more of an opportunity to start calling his own plays, so hopefully he improves.
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After a Week 1 statement-game against the New York Giants, the annual talk continued that maybe this was the year the Dallas Cowboys took the next step toward joining the upper echelon of teams in the NFC. Things havenít gone as planned since that game as the Cowboys have been very much the same team marred by inconsistent play and untimely turnovers. The trend continued right from the start as they handed the ball to the Giants on three of their first four possessions, in addition to a fumbled punt. New York took advantage to the tune of a 23-0 lead, but the Cowboys battled back with 24 straight points of their own.
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Things are changing, right guys? Here we are 10 months later seeing the same things

I just cant see Jimmy Johnson coming off the field at halftime, after zero points and FIVE turnovers, smiling while being interviewed talking about how well his D was playing only giving up 9 points. JG should have been LIVID at halftime but looked like he couldnt have cared less.

He better win 10 this year or the Gruden talk is going to heat way up...
There's gonna be even less pressure on Garrett. Callahan/Romo doing the playcalling. Garrett is going nowhere. ...unless he loses respect from the players.
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There's gonna be even less pressure on Garrett. Callahan/Romo doing the playcalling. Garrett is going nowhere. ...unless he loses respect from the players.
You really believe that? I happen to like Garrett because he trusts his scouts and has brought in some good young talent but I would find it hard for him to survive with another 8-8 or worse.
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I still think it's funny that you excuse Tony Romo.

He's going to be given more of an opportunity to start calling his own plays, so hopefully he improves.
I dont excuse him, Ive called him Danny White 2.0 in the past. I just think he takes to much of the blame.
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You really believe that? I happen to like Garrett because he trusts his scouts and has brought in some good young talent but I would find it hard for him to survive with another 8-8 or worse.
But you just bashed his draft to kingdom come.
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I dont excuse him, Ive called him Danny White 2.0 in the past. I just think he takes to much of the blame.
Heck no he doesn't. In Dallas blame normally goes to Jerry. Next the coach. The players face it last... unless it's a knucklehead type thing.
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Another crazy signing by Jerrah. 42MM for a guy who can't stay healthy which signs him well into his 30s.

Vato must be loco.
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But you just bashed his draft to kingdom come.
This draft didn't meet our NEEDS. If you want me to rehash I will be happy to but I doubt there is a need. You know as well as I do, JG was pissed and/or dumbfounded by the trade down. That is a GM problem that overrode his coach. We ignored our biggest need in FA as well. You tell me, is that a Garrett mistake or a JJ mistake? Now we are experimenting with Free at RG and MB at LG. you excited about that?
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Heck no he doesn't. In Dallas blame normally goes to Jerry. Next the coach. The players face it last... unless it's a knucklehead type thing.
romo gets blame all the time, especially after the latest performance. im in dallas now, and romo and jj usually get blamed together. i think garrett is sliding under the rug more in the local court of public opinion
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Quick, name the only 3 QBs since 2006 to throw for more than 25,000 yards, 175 TDs, and less than 100 picks? If you said Romo, Brady and Peyton DING DING DING Your a winner!!
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Quick, name the only 3 QBs since 2006 to throw for more than 25,000 yards, 175 TDs, and less than 100 picks? If you said Romo, Brady and Peyton DING DING DING Your a winner!!
he also has the most 4th quarter comeback of any qb over the last 3 years, but nobody cares b/c until he wins a superbowl he will always be a choker to most people
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he also has the most 4th quarter comeback of any qb over the last 3 years, but nobody cares b/c until he wins a superbowl he will always be a choker to most people
Take away Peyton's 1 SuperBowl run (I know you can't, just saying) he's 5-11 in the playoffs and he's considered one of the greatest of all time.
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Congrats to Sean Lee on his extension. Despite what others say, it's a good signing.
I Agree...

The Cowboys are committed to paying Sean Lee like an elite inside linebacker if he can stay healthy.

Lee’s new contract comes with some injury insurance, however.

That makes it a win-win deal.

It’s a six-year, $42 million contract that could be worth up to an additional $9 million if Lee hits playing time incentives, a source told ESPNDallas.com’s Todd Archer. The deal includes $16.13 million in guaranteed money.

Compare that to the contracts of the San Francisco 49ers’ spectacular inside linebacker tandem. Patrick Willis signed a seven-year deal worth $53.5 million with $29 million guaranteed in 2010. Navorro Bowman’s deal signed in 2012 is worth $46.4 million over seven years with $25.5 million guaranteed.

If Lee can avoid the injury bug, there is little question that he’ll be in that class of linebackers.

However, the harsh reality is that Lee has missed 13 games in three NFL seasons, including 10 last year when he suffered a season-ending toe injury. He slipped into the second round of the 2010 draft due to concerns about a devastating knee injury he suffered at Penn State, but he has proved to have made a complete recovery from that torn ACL, which is unrelated to any of the ailments he’s suffered as a pro.

The Cowboys weren’t willing to let Lee leave Dallas after his rookie deal expired at the end of the season. Their options were to give him a lucrative extension or use the franchise tag on him, as they’ve done with Anthony Spencer the past two seasons.

This is no more expensive and much more cap-friendly than tagging Lee for the next couple of seasons.


Lee’s willingness to sign a contract that protects the team if he can’t stay on the field made the decision easy for the Cowboys, who hope to build their defense around a healthy, dominant middle linebacker for years to come.

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This draft didn't meet our NEEDS. If you want me to rehash I will be happy to but I doubt there is a need. You know as well as I do, JG was pissed and/or dumbfounded by the trade down. That is a GM problem that overrode his coach. We ignored our biggest need in FA as well. You tell me, is that a Garrett mistake or a JJ mistake? Now we are experimenting with Free at RG and MB at LG. you excited about that?
Oh stop. Garrett's fingerprints were all over this draft. He may or may not have liked the trade down, but the bottom line is that the players that were chosen were all Garrett's toys. You can't say you like the way he drafts and trusts his scouts and then proceed to bash this draft. Sorry. I'm not letting you ride the fence on this one.
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Another crazy signing by Jerrah. 42MM for a guy who can't stay healthy which signs him well into his 30s.

Vato must be loco.
All depends on how Lee plays. If he continues to have an injury riddled career and we don't have a good escape plan from that contract then there is egg on Jerry's face. But I haven't analyzed the contract yet so I won't jump to conclusions.
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Oh stop. Garrett's fingerprints were all over this draft. He may or may not have liked the trade down, but the bottom line is that the players that were chosen were all Garrett's toys. You can't say you like the way he drafts and trusts his scouts and then proceed to bash this draft. Sorry. I'm not letting you ride the fence on this one.
So the fact I like some of his past drafts but hated this one is unheard of huh? There is no fence, dont know why its so hard for you to understand

Lets be clear, I think we drafted some good players but did we need another backup RB, TE, and WR over line needs? Not in my opinion. Also the scouts opinion was ignored in round 1 and then we reached for need. Bad strategy IMHO. Dont know how I can be more clear on it...
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I like Lee's contract since it's basically paying him like a good player, but will pay him like a top player if he stays healthy. Nothing wrong with that at all. Maybe they could have waited after a year to see what the market is like, but if he blows up like a lot of people think he may have been more expensive.
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BTW, BTB just wrote an article on everything Ive been saying.

Highlights: Let's start with Mackenzy Bernadeau, maybe I have some kind of bias but I can't figure out why the Cowboys view him as a starting guard. He never made his mark in Carolina where he was mainly a backup, he's been injured each offseason here, and played very poorly through the first part of last year. Yes, he got better in the second half of the season, but so far in preseason games he's been suspect. Don't believe what anybody else tells you, just go watch the games he's played in. He's slow getting across the defensive lineman's face in zone blocking and he's not a solid rock against pass rushes

Running game - This one seems odd considering Dallas has a stable of four running backs who look capable. But after being fooled by a big output in the first preseason game, the Cowboys started to look like the old Cowboys in game two and three. The talent is there in the backfield, so it's really a matter of poor run-blocking, combined with maybe a little bit of vanilla play-calling. I've beat this drum before - the Cowboys shouldn't be a run-oriented team, but if they could run the ball with some effectiveness, it would help with a lot of other issues like keeping Romo safe and holding leads.

Special teams - I'm talking about anything to do with special teams not named Dan Bailey. Fumble on a punt return, blocked FG, big kickoff returns allowed, nothing on Dallas' own kickoff or punt returns. This unit is kind of in a shambles right now. Rich Bisaccia is supposed to know what he's doing, so we'll have to trust that by the regular season he'll have special teams humming along. Right now, Dallas is failing in this area and they just can't afford that in the regular season.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2013/...to-worry-about

Guess a few folks have the same worries as me. Im just saying some of these things could have been fixed in the off season, now we are scrambling trying to fix the line with VERY limited options. They should have seen this coming after last year, thats all...
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So the fact I like some of his past drafts but hated this one is unheard of huh? There is no fence, dont know why its so hard for you to understand

Lets be clear, I think we drafted some good players but did we need another backup RB, TE, and WR over line needs? Not in my opinion. Also the scouts opinion was ignored in round 1 and then we reached for need. Bad strategy IMHO. Dont know how I can be more clear on it...
When you say you like Garrett because of his drafts and the way he trusts his scouts, then say you don't like this year's draft and the way scouts were ignored, it's very contradictory. Don't know why you don't see that.

If you don't think this was a Garrett draft, then you're just blinding yourself to the truth.
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BTW, BTB just wrote an article on everything Ive been saying.

Highlights: Let's start with Mackenzy Bernadeau, maybe I have some kind of bias but I can't figure out why the Cowboys view him as a starting guard. He never made his mark in Carolina where he was mainly a backup, he's been injured each offseason here, and played very poorly through the first part of last year. Yes, he got better in the second half of the season, but so far in preseason games he's been suspect. Don't believe what anybody else tells you, just go watch the games he's played in. He's slow getting across the defensive lineman's face in zone blocking and he's not a solid rock against pass rushes

Running game - This one seems odd considering Dallas has a stable of four running backs who look capable. But after being fooled by a big output in the first preseason game, the Cowboys started to look like the old Cowboys in game two and three. The talent is there in the backfield, so it's really a matter of poor run-blocking, combined with maybe a little bit of vanilla play-calling. I've beat this drum before - the Cowboys shouldn't be a run-oriented team, but if they could run the ball with some effectiveness, it would help with a lot of other issues like keeping Romo safe and holding leads.

Special teams - I'm talking about anything to do with special teams not named Dan Bailey. Fumble on a punt return, blocked FG, big kickoff returns allowed, nothing on Dallas' own kickoff or punt returns. This unit is kind of in a shambles right now. Rich Bisaccia is supposed to know what he's doing, so we'll have to trust that by the regular season he'll have special teams humming along. Right now, Dallas is failing in this area and they just can't afford that in the regular season.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2013/...to-worry-about

Guess a few folks have the same worries as me. Im just saying some of these things could have been fixed in the off season, now we are scrambling trying to fix the line with VERY limited options. They should have seen this coming after last year, thats all...
A "few folks"??? People don't need an education about how bad Bernadeau is.

If they want to tell us how good or bad the unknowns are like Arkin and Leary then I'm all ears.
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A "few folks"??? People don't need an education about how bad Bernadeau is.

If they want to tell us how good or bad the unknowns are like Arkin and Leary then I'm all ears.
7 Cowboys got 1st-team G reps this summer: Bernadeau, Leary, Livings, Arkin, Free, Kowalski and Frederick. And tried to sign Moore/Waters

And nobody has taken the spots over. What else do you need to know? #Weareintrouble
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When you say you like Garrett because of his drafts and the way he trusts his scouts, then say you don't like this year's draft and the way scouts were ignored, it's very contradictory. Don't know why you don't see that.

If you don't think this was a Garrett draft, then you're just blinding yourself to the truth.
Perhaps its contradicting because of our GM. I'll bet you HATED our 2009 draft but liked/loved our 2010 draft. Just because you like one doesnt mean you have to like the next. Every draft stands alone. I didnt like the way he ran this one even though I believe his hands were tied somewhat by JJ. !st round anyway, also didnt like not getting more line help and we are paying for it now
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