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I'm not lovin' this idea of bringing in Henning at all.
what do you know about him that would make you say that?
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Henning is a scapegoat for a team lacking in personnell. They had a good one and two at WR, but using Foster when they shouldve used Williams was Fox's call. Also, having a weak offensive line, no TE, and a qb who is inconsistent definately hindered what he could do.

He is creative yet simple. Sounds like a Parcells guy doesn't it? Just like Bellichick, BP himself, Groh etc, he keeps it basic in approach, with touches of complexity.

I think he's a good old school style OC. Will you become Air Dallas? No, and nor you should be. But he will introduce motioning more to your offense, he'll develop the blocking of the TEs in the run game better, and he'll use your WRs in unique ways to take advantage of matchups. I expect TO in the slot more often now.

And he'll put less stress on the pass game and Romo by running it more. Thats what BP loves, and he'll do just that.

The one concern will be his development of Fasano. He doesn't exactly have a history of success with TEs in Carolina, so he might not get the most out of Fasano as a pass catcher. He definately will improve him as a blocker though.

He's a moot point though. The offense won't change much. Its your DC and what he does, that will make the difference this upcoming year. Or it won't, depends on who you get.
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Wait, he's not our OC already, is he?
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That interview sure as hell sounded like he already got the job.
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Wait, he's not our OC already, is he?
That interview sure as hell sounded like he already got the job.
Well, if so....

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Wait, he's not our OC already, is he?
That interview sure as hell sounded like he already got the job.
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Lol. It will be pretty much the same offense. No need to worry.
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Henning is a scapegoat for a team lacking in personnell. They had a good one and two at WR, but using Foster when they shouldve used Williams was Fox's call. Also, having a weak offensive line, no TE, and a qb who is inconsistent definately hindered what he could do.

He is creative yet simple. Sounds like a Parcells guy doesn't it? Just like Bellichick, BP himself, Groh etc, he keeps it basic in approach, with touches of complexity.

I think he's a good old school style OC. Will you become Air Dallas? No, and nor you should be. But he will introduce motioning more to your offense, he'll develop the blocking of the TEs in the run game better, and he'll use your WRs in unique ways to take advantage of matchups. I expect TO in the slot more often now.

And he'll put less stress on the pass game and Romo by running it more. Thats what BP loves, and he'll do just that.

The one concern will be his development of Fasano. He doesn't exactly have a history of success with TEs in Carolina, so he might not get the most out of Fasano as a pass catcher. He definately will improve him as a blocker though.

He's a moot point though. The offense won't change much. Its your DC and what he does, that will make the difference this upcoming year. Or it won't, depends on who you get.
Did Henning ever get much from that TE position in any other team?

That is an excellent point which would beg the question of what will we do two high end picks at TE now. Fasano and Witten are pretty good to just use them as hood ornaments.
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Henning is a scapegoat for a team lacking in personnell. They had a good one and two at WR, but using Foster when they shouldve used Williams was Fox's call. Also, having a weak offensive line, no TE, and a qb who is inconsistent definately hindered what he could do.

He is creative yet simple. Sounds like a Parcells guy doesn't it? Just like Bellichick, BP himself, Groh etc, he keeps it basic in approach, with touches of complexity.

I think he's a good old school style OC. Will you become Air Dallas? No, and nor you should be. But he will introduce motioning more to your offense, he'll develop the blocking of the TEs in the run game better, and he'll use your WRs in unique ways to take advantage of matchups. I expect TO in the slot more often now.

And he'll put less stress on the pass game and Romo by running it more. Thats what BP loves, and he'll do just that.

The one concern will be his development of Fasano. He doesn't exactly have a history of success with TEs in Carolina, so he might not get the most out of Fasano as a pass catcher. He definately will improve him as a blocker though.

He's a moot point though. The offense won't change much. Its your DC and what he does, that will make the difference this upcoming year. Or it won't, depends on who you get.
Did Henning ever get much from that TE position in any other team?

That is an excellent point which would beg the question of what will we do two high end picks at TE now. Fasano and Witten are pretty good to just use them as hood ornaments.
Well, a big part of getting production out of the TE, is having a good TE to work with.
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If Henning actually does get hired. I would be happy. He has experience with All-Pro WRs [Smith] so Owens will actually be somewhat be a threat this time around.
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He does seem to get WR involved so I like that, plus he will have alot more weapons here then with Panthers.
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If Henning actually does get hired. I would be happy. He has experience with All-Pro WRs [Smith] so Owens will actually be somewhat be a threat this time around.
I hope he doesn't turn Romo into Jake Delhomme.

Oh and... Terrell Owens had a much better year than Steve Smith last year. LOL!
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Henning is a scapegoat for a team lacking in personnell. They had a good one and two at WR, but using Foster when they shouldve used Williams was Fox's call. Also, having a weak offensive line, no TE, and a qb who is inconsistent definately hindered what he could do.

He is creative yet simple. Sounds like a Parcells guy doesn't it? Just like Bellichick, BP himself, Groh etc, he keeps it basic in approach, with touches of complexity.

I think he's a good old school style OC. Will you become Air Dallas? No, and nor you should be. But he will introduce motioning more to your offense, he'll develop the blocking of the TEs in the run game better, and he'll use your WRs in unique ways to take advantage of matchups. I expect TO in the slot more often now.

And he'll put less stress on the pass game and Romo by running it more. Thats what BP loves, and he'll do just that.

The one concern will be his development of Fasano. He doesn't exactly have a history of success with TEs in Carolina, so he might not get the most out of Fasano as a pass catcher. He definately will improve him as a blocker though.

He's a moot point though. The offense won't change much. Its your DC and what he does, that will make the difference this upcoming year. Or it won't, depends on who you get.
Did Henning ever get much from that TE position in any other team?

That is an excellent point which would beg the question of what will we do two high end picks at TE now. Fasano and Witten are pretty good to just use them as hood ornaments.
Well, a big part of getting production out of the TE, is having a good TE to work with.
This is exactly why I asked about TE on other teams where Henning was the man. The current Carolina team is not TE rich so maybe a bad data point to use with respect to his ideas on TE usage in the passing game.

So question is does Henning ever get good production from the TE spot in the passing game?

If not we have too much talent at TE for his system. (* I hate the way it sounds but no sense in having two when one is more than enough *)
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If Henning actually does get hired. I would be happy. He has experience with All-Pro WRs [Smith] so Owens will actually be somewhat be a threat this time around.
I hope he doesn't turn Romo into Jake Delhomme.

Oh and... Terrell Owens had a much better year than Steve Smith last year. LOL!
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If Henning actually does get hired. I would be happy. He has experience with All-Pro WRs [Smith] so Owens will actually be somewhat be a threat this time around.
I hope he doesn't turn Romo into Jake Delhomme.

Oh and... Terrell Owens had a much better year than Steve Smith last year. LOL!
Speaking of TR, does anyone else believe Romo needs to work at improving his strength? He seems skinny and his arms and upper body seem slight.

A Phil Simms transformation if we can call it that. Thoroguh comments are welcomed.
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If Henning actually does get hired. I would be happy. He has experience with All-Pro WRs [Smith] so Owens will actually be somewhat be a threat this time around.
I hope he doesn't turn Romo into Jake Delhomme.

Oh and... Terrell Owens had a much better year than Steve Smith last year. LOL!
Speaking of TR, does anyone else believe Romo needs to work at improving his strength? He seems skinny and his arms and upper body seem slight.

A Phil Simms transformation if we can call it that. Thoroguh comments are welcomed.
I think Romo could definetly stand to bulk up some.
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Henning is a scapegoat for a team lacking in personnell. They had a good one and two at WR, but using Foster when they shouldve used Williams was Fox's call. Also, having a weak offensive line, no TE, and a qb who is inconsistent definately hindered what he could do.

He is creative yet simple. Sounds like a Parcells guy doesn't it? Just like Bellichick, BP himself, Groh etc, he keeps it basic in approach, with touches of complexity.

I think he's a good old school style OC. Will you become Air Dallas? No, and nor you should be. But he will introduce motioning more to your offense, he'll develop the blocking of the TEs in the run game better, and he'll use your WRs in unique ways to take advantage of matchups. I expect TO in the slot more often now.

And he'll put less stress on the pass game and Romo by running it more. Thats what BP loves, and he'll do just that.

The one concern will be his development of Fasano. He doesn't exactly have a history of success with TEs in Carolina, so he might not get the most out of Fasano as a pass catcher. He definately will improve him as a blocker though.

He's a moot point though. The offense won't change much. Its your DC and what he does, that will make the difference this upcoming year. Or it won't, depends on who you get.
Did Henning ever get much from that TE position in any other team?

That is an excellent point which would beg the question of what will we do two high end picks at TE now. Fasano and Witten are pretty good to just use them as hood ornaments.
Was Henning with BP during the 80s with the Giants? If so, then look no further than Mark Bavaro.
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Henning was the QB coach with Parcells with the Jets while Weis was the OC.

I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Henning...

He's got to be a better offensive mind than Sparano and Haley who were pretty much our co-OCs...
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Is anyone else a little concerned that it's taking BP so much time to decide whether or not he's coming back to coach in '07?
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He may get the "quality control" spot that is being vacated by David Lee, who knows?

Bottom line is this: he has always been considered to be a very good offensive mind. Not only that, but he is a close friend and confidante of Bill Parcells. That in and of itself will be invaluable. I'm psyched.
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Henning is a scapegoat for a team lacking in personnell. They had a good one and two at WR, but using Foster when they shouldve used Williams was Fox's call. Also, having a weak offensive line, no TE, and a qb who is inconsistent definately hindered what he could do.

He is creative yet simple. Sounds like a Parcells guy doesn't it? Just like Bellichick, BP himself, Groh etc, he keeps it basic in approach, with touches of complexity.

I think he's a good old school style OC. Will you become Air Dallas? No, and nor you should be. But he will introduce motioning more to your offense, he'll develop the blocking of the TEs in the run game better, and he'll use your WRs in unique ways to take advantage of matchups. I expect TO in the slot more often now.

And he'll put less stress on the pass game and Romo by running it more. Thats what BP loves, and he'll do just that.

The one concern will be his development of Fasano. He doesn't exactly have a history of success with TEs in Carolina, so he might not get the most out of Fasano as a pass catcher. He definately will improve him as a blocker though.

He's a moot point though. The offense won't change much. Its your DC and what he does, that will make the difference this upcoming year. Or it won't, depends on who you get.
Did Henning ever get much from that TE position in any other team?

That is an excellent point which would beg the question of what will we do two high end picks at TE now. Fasano and Witten are pretty good to just use them as hood ornaments.
Was Henning with BP during the 80s with the Giants? If so, then look no further than Mark Bavaro.
No he was not.

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Henning was the QB coach with Parcells with the Jets while Weis was the OC.

I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Henning...

He's got to be a better offensive mind than Sparano and Haley who were pretty much our co-OCs...
Both guys will likely stay. Neither is bad but certainly a little green and Parcells likes both of them.

We did score lots of points even if we where sloppy Offensively.
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Henning was the QB coach with Parcells with the Jets while Weis was the OC.

I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Henning...

He's got to be a better offensive mind than Sparano and Haley who were pretty much our co-OCs...
Both guys will likely stay. Neither is bad but certainly a little green and Parcells likes both of them.

We did score lots of points even if we where sloppy Offensively.
Yeah, for sure, I know those guys will stay... Just wanted to say that Henning has got to be better.

Not really saying a lot since most Carolina fans want him kicked to the curb.
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One thing that I've noticed is when a team struggles, the fans all of a sudden start clamoring for the head of the coordinator that coaches that side of the ball.

For example, last year I was hearing tons of criticism for Payton and his play calling, saying he was a stupid ass and unimaginative etc etc. Well, a year later people are worshipping at his feet and proclaiming him to be the next Bill Walsh.

It's just funny. Why can't people accept that its the PLAYERS who play the game? If your team sucks, its usually because your players aren't playing the game well. Eff.
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One thing that I've noticed is when a team struggles, the fans all of a sudden start clamoring for the head of the coordinator that coaches that side of the ball.

For example, last year I was hearing tons of criticism for Payton and his play calling, saying he was a stupid ass and unimaginative etc etc. Well, a year later people are worshipping at his feet and proclaiming him to be the next Bill Walsh.

It's just funny. Why can't people accept that its the PLAYERS who play the game? If your team sucks, its usually because your players aren't playing the game well. Eff.
Looks like a fashion contest when fans clamor for Coaches to go.

Was it Marty who forgot to call LT's number? No, it was Cam Cameron and everyone thinks he is a genius. Regardless, fans hate Marty and no one is mentioning Cameron.

Payton is being praised, and he is a good coach, but anyone see his pitch call to Bush which resulted in a fumble? Easily could have cost the Saints the game this past weekend. I did not see one analyst even mention it. He has the honeymoon going so folks over look the warts.

One prediction I do have is that Payton plays it fast and loose and has yet to pay the price. Once he does and loses a biggie the bloom starts falling off. A perfect example of that is Martz. I would not be shocked to see the Bears turn them over quite a few times with that kind of play calling and that weather.

Regardless, fans always think the grass is greener and usually think it after the media start implying it in its reporting. Just the way it is. Read the Dallas media, they make Parcells out to be a fool and the fans pick up on it and repeat it.
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Payton is being praised, and he is a good coach, but anyone see his pitch call to Bush which resulted in a fumble? Easily could have cost the Saints the game this past weekend. I did not see one analyst even mention it. He has the honeymoon going so folks over look the warts.
Are you kidding me? Is this a joke? You were just agreeing with DMW that it's the players who play the game, and then blame Payton on that play? THE PLAYERS messed that one up. This is halarius! How can you even do that. It's not like Payton called a recverse to bush at the wrong time. It's not like a pitch is a risky play call. :roll:
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