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Right. Now I understand why I stopped reading the NCAA subforum.


Look at the contracts, understand then, and then come back and talk about contracts.

Brady's contract is 60% guaranteed. Romo's is 30% guaranteed. Romo will NEVER see the end of his contract as the last years are an accounting trick to push restructured money out 5 years. For both D and yourself click on that fun little column called "Guaranteed per year" or "Percent Guaranteed" and you'll see why Romo's number is so high. It's funny money to make the cap work.

Hell Joe Flacco is better paid than Romo and I sincerely hope no one in here would rather trot him out on a day to day basis.


Just...
He must be a HOF'er since he won a SB then.
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Here is why Ware is an awesome guy.
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Ware could have gone to Philly, New York, or Washington, but he chose not to because he was appreciative of the way the Cowboys cut him early so that he could find the best offer early instead of being held hostage. Can't help but love him, and I'm still going to be wearing his jersey when I'm out. I still love the guy, and I just bought it last year. I'm not ready to tuck it away in the closet. lol
Yes yes. He left in the most classiest and graceful way possible.

Hatcher on the other hand... he was always a "me" guy. Not surprised to see him go to a rival. He'll go back to mediocrity in the 3-4.
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He must be a HOF'er since he won a SB then.
He won a SB because he was on a cheap contract and his team was able to field a strong supporting cast.

He's NOT a HOF QB that can carry his team.

Nice try though.... eehhh not really.
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He won a SB because he was on a cheap contract and his team was able to field a strong supporting cast.

He's NOT a HOF QB that can carry his team.

Nice try though.... eehhh not really.
Ohhhhh. I see. Hes only forbidden to win another from this point on because he makes too much. My mistake. Lol.
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Right. Now I understand why I stopped reading the NCAA subforum.


Look at the contracts, understand then, and then come back and talk about contracts.

Brady's contract is 60% guaranteed. Romo's is 30% guaranteed. Romo will NEVER see the end of his contract as the last years are an accounting trick to push restructured money out 5 years. For both D and yourself click on that fun little column called "Guaranteed per year" or "Percent Guaranteed" and you'll see why Romo's number is so high. It's funny money to make the cap work.

Hell Joe Flacco is better paid than Romo and I sincerely hope no one in here would rather trot him out on a day to day basis.


Just...
So you're fine paying an average QB more than the league's best? You're fine being in cap hell because of numerous bad contracts? You're fine with a front office who trades down and still takes a player they could have gotten 1.5-2 round later (working out doesn't excuse the l ost value)?

Face it, team management is a joke. It's only a matter of time before Jerry Jones kills the franchise the way Al Davis did in Oakland.
I am sick of watching every other team beat us to make the playoffs the last 3 years.

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IRVING, Texas -- The Dallas Cowboys have expressed an interest in quarterback Brandon Weeden, according to sources.

The Cleveland Browns released their 2012 first-round pick on Wednesday after he threw 23 touchdown passes and 26 interceptions with a 5-15 record as a starter in two seasons. Weeden, who turns 31 in October, threw for 5,116 yards, completing 438-of-784 passes.
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He's worth a look as a back-up. I'd rather trade cheap though and find a younger wash out to give a second chance to.
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He won a SB because he was on a cheap contract and his team was able to field a strong supporting cast.

He's NOT a HOF QB that can carry his team.

Nice try though.... eehhh not really.
Expensive supporting cast doesn't not equal GOOD supporting cast. None of the Cowboys problems are from lack of money to spend on a supporting cast. The problem is/has always been HOW they've spent the money on the supporting cast. If you're a Cowboys fan then you have to know this. You know the terrible contracts this team has dished out to TERRIBLE players over the years.
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Expensive supporting cast doesn't not equal GOOD supporting cast. None of the Cowboys problems are from lack of money to spend on a supporting cast. The problem is/has always been HOW they've spent the money on the supporting cast. If you're a Cowboys fan then you have to know this. You know the terrible contracts this team has dished out to TERRIBLE players over the years.
I would give Baltimore our First Round pick for Ozzie Newsome as GM in a second. That is where our biggest problem lies, we have an increasingly senile old man with no real football experience pretending he can do the job because he's a billionaire.
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Ohhhhh. I see. Hes only forbidden to win another from this point on because he makes too much. My mistake. Lol.
Using the word forbidden implies that he could but he's not allowed to. I'm saying the Ravens won't ever win another one with him... unless he turns into some crazy good QB that nobody ever saw coming.
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It's not that bad of an idea if we can save money by cutting Orton.
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I would give Baltimore our First Round pick for Ozzie Newsome as GM in a second. That is where our biggest problem lies, we have an increasingly senile old man with no real football experience pretending he can do the job because he's a billionaire.
With you on coaching hires and trades. As far as FA and the draft, Jerry is mostly just a guy that cuts the checks.
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Expensive supporting cast doesn't not equal GOOD supporting cast. None of the Cowboys problems are from lack of money to spend on a supporting cast. The problem is/has always been HOW they've spent the money on the supporting cast. If you're a Cowboys fan then you have to know this. You know the terrible contracts this team has dished out to TERRIBLE players over the years.
I can agree with this.

But having more money to spend on the supporting case will greatly increase your odds of having one. If you have common sense, then you have to know this.
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Maybe decided to use that money for somebody else? Or two.
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I would give Baltimore our First Round pick for Ozzie Newsome as GM in a second. That is where our biggest problem lies, we have an increasingly senile old man with no real football experience pretending he can do the job because he's a billionaire.
ROFL @ Ozzie. He's a draft guru but you sing praises about signing Joe Flacco to the NFL biggest deal (at the time). *Note* I love Ozzie and he had no choice in the Flacco deal just like JJ and Romo's. You don't let a franchise QB walk if you don't have another one in line which leads to massive overpays.

I'd much rather have Tony Romo on his contract than Joe Flacco on his six-year - $120.6 million deal.

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Funny what goes on when we feel like the ground has been pulled out from under us.

Relax everyone, we're doing what good teams do and getting rid of the older overpaid guys for an infusion of youth along the defensive line.
We knew this was possible, so it's not all that shocking.

You want to know what to expect from this team next year??

When do we ever know what to expect from this team.
The one constant has been playing well enough (or bad enough) to draw that showdown in the final game and coming up short, will that change for the better or worse?

The offense will depend on what Linehan brings, hopefully he utilizes the talent in more beneficial ways. But it's a question mark.

The defense is rebuilding up front, it will depend on the pieces and what marinelli can do to motivate them. Another question mark?

So many unknowns at this point and that's hard to deal with but if we kept Ware, Hatch and spence, would those question marks have gone away?? Would we feel more secure?? We wouldn't know what to expect from them either.

Lets just see how it plays out.
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Funny what goes on when we feel like the ground has been pulled out from under us.

Relax everyone, we're doing what good teams do and getting rid of the older overpaid guys for an infusion of youth along the defensive line.
We knew this was possible, so it's not all that shocking.

You want to know what to expect from this team next year??

When do we ever know what to expect from this team.
The one constant has been playing well enough (or bad enough) to draw that showdown in the final game and coming up short, will that change for the better or worse?

The offense will depend on what Linehan brings, hopefully he utilizes the talent in more beneficial ways. But it's a question mark.

The defense is rebuilding up front, it will depend on the pieces and what marinelli can do to motivate them. Another question mark?

So many unknowns at this point and that's hard to deal with but if we kept Ware, Hatch and spence, would those question marks have gone away?? Would we feel more secure?? We wouldn't know what to expect from them either.

Lets just see how it plays out.
Cant really say that if we are looking at guys like Peppers and Allen though.
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Cant really say that if we are looking at guys like Peppers and Allen though.
Lets see if they sign one though, it's one thing to have an interest at the right price.
If they do it will not be a big or long lasting deal, which they probably won't go for, Allen already said if he doesn't get the money he wants, he'll retire.

Allen is not gonna happen. Peppers is a long shot but his connection with Marinelli could help.

Even if they grab one at this point, would they stop you from drafting a younger DE.

Anyway, they can talk interest but I don't think either of them will be wearing a star. Peppers could be interesting as a cheaper version of ware to rotate in but will he be much cheaper??

The guy they really want is Melton, he's the only one they may get but if seattle makes a good offer, where would you go?
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Funny what goes on when we feel like the ground has been pulled out from under us.

Relax everyone, we're doing what good teams do and getting rid of the older overpaid guys for an infusion of youth along the defensive line.
We knew this was possible, so it's not all that shocking.

You want to know what to expect from this team next year??

When do we ever know what to expect from this team.
The one constant has been playing well enough (or bad enough) to draw that showdown in the final game and coming up short, will that change for the better or worse?

The offense will depend on what Linehan brings, hopefully he utilizes the talent in more beneficial ways. But it's a question mark.

The defense is rebuilding up front, it will depend on the pieces and what marinelli can do to motivate them. Another question mark?

So many unknowns at this point and that's hard to deal with but if we kept Ware, Hatch and spence, would those question marks have gone away?? Would we feel more secure?? We wouldn't know what to expect from them either.

Lets just see how it plays out.
You're a good addition to the board. A lot of us are bogged down by pessimism, and rightfully so considering what's gone on recently. Your optimism is good to see because it's hard for me when I realize that Garrett is coming back. D-Unit is all over Romo, and Pocket is hating on Jerry, but I'm holding it down on the Garrett bashing front. lol

Like you said though, we have to wait and see on a lot of things. Losing Ware and Hatcher sucks big time, but they can still rebuild through the draft. There's a real good chance for them to get Donald or Jernigan, and maybe even both if the draft plays that way. All it takes is a run on some QBs or something, and then if Jernigan slips to the second he may be paired with Donald. Or something cool could happen like them drafting Jernigan at 16 with Donald gone, draft a DE in the 3rd like Crichton or Martin, and then in the 5th take Will Sutton. There's a lot of possibilities, and I'm hoping that they pull off rebuilding this line well since it's all out in the open.

What can't happen is a repeat of the 2009 draft. They need a Travis Frederick type player for the first pick on the D-line, and then the chips can begin to fall into their places for the new DL. I'm not going to let them off the hook yet, but they can turn the DL around the same way the OL went from being straight trash to decent in one offseason. I just hope that no other holes are created the way the DL hole was due to overestimating a couple of guys.
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Thanks, I appreciate that.
I have little faith in Garrett, lol I think I've also made that abduntantly clear on these boards. But maybe now with the hiring of Linehan and we know what Marinelli brings, we may have surrounded him with enough help, that maybe his poor game management can be overcome, it's all a wait and see prospect now.

I didn't think Peppers would be here, neither will Allen.

I agree the draft is gonna be key, so they have to hit on those guys, which isn't a sure thing either. But I like the idea of change, it's scary and can have us all playing the blame game, romo, jerry etc. But at least it upsets the status quo a bit, which lets face it, was getting old and expensive.
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Thanks, I appreciate that.
I have little faith in Garrett, lol I think I've also made that abduntantly clear on these boards. But maybe now with the hiring of Linehan and we know what Marinelli brings, we may have surrounded him with enough help, that maybe his poor game management can be overcome, it's all a wait and see prospect now.

I didn't think Peppers would be here, neither will Allen.

I agree the draft is gonna be key, so they have to hit on those guys, which isn't a sure thing either. But I like the idea of change, it's scary and can have us all playing the blame game, romo, jerry etc. But at least it upsets the status quo a bit, which lets face it, was getting old and expensive.
good article about just that at BTB's
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http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/...xpect-miracles
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good article about just that at BTB's


http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/...xpect-miracles
Exactly, good find, that article is the reality.
Of course putting it on the draft is a hit or miss proposition, but they left themselves with little to no choice but to rely on it.

They come away with a bad draft, this next season will be interesting.
If they can land a starter or two and some contributers, at least we can compete.
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