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Old 04-12-2009, 12:07 AM    (permalink
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Austin did make the trip.

Miles Austin-WR- Cowboys Apr. 10 - 8:41 pm et
The Newark Star-Ledger reports that restricted free agent WR Miles Austin did in fact meet with the Jets on Friday, contrary to an earlier New York Daily News report.
The Jets have not yet signed Austin to an offer sheet, but they informed him that an offer is forthcoming. The Cowboys were reportedly "preparing a plan" to ensure that they don't lose Austin, so they would likely match the Jets' offer.
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I personally think it'd be great to get a 2nd rounder for Austin and then turn around and sign Holt.

Also I am not sold on drafting Delmas either.
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Austin did make the trip.

Miles Austin-WR- Cowboys Apr. 10 - 8:41 pm et
The Newark Star-Ledger reports that restricted free agent WR Miles Austin did in fact meet with the Jets on Friday, contrary to an earlier New York Daily News report.
The Jets have not yet signed Austin to an offer sheet, but they informed him that an offer is forthcoming. The Cowboys were reportedly "preparing a plan" to ensure that they don't lose Austin, so they would likely match the Jets' offer.
Source: Newark Star-Ledger
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I personally think it'd be great to get a 2nd rounder for Austin and then turn around and sign Holt.

Also I am not sold on drafting Delmas either.
Awesome! Thanks for posting this news.
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The more I watch of Delmas, the more I hate him. I'm really starting to think he's going to be a bust. I even prefer William Moore to Delmas.
Wow really? I want no part of Moore, and everything from Delmas was very positive in the Senior Bowl. They said he stepped in with guys from those big schools and was the leader instantly on that defense, lining guys up, offers what Moore does in run support and can cover twice as good.


It's just my personal opinion, but I think we are going to cross off any safety that has questionable coverage skills, I don't know if we want a true centerfield type, but I think we will want a guy who can cover out of the slot, and I think that rules out Moore and Chung as well.
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New York Jets visit with Dallas Cowboys WR Miles Austin
by Dave Hutchinson/The Star-Ledger
Friday April 10, 2009, 7:51 PM
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The Jets can sign Miles Austin, above right, to an offer sheet any time before April 17.

Dallas Cowboys restricted free agent wide receiver Miles Austin visited the Jets Friday contrary to an earlier report.

The Jets didn't sign Austin, a former Monmouth University star, to an offer sheet but the meeting went well and the Jets told Austin that they plan to put together one in the coming days, according to a person with knowledge of the talks.

If the Cowboys doesn't match the offer, they would receive a second-round pick from the Jets as compensation. Dallas has extended a one-year, $1.54 million tender offer to Austin.

Although the restricted free agent signing period ends on April 17th, the Jets can sign Austin to an offer sheet anytime before then and the Cowboys will then have seven days from that point to match the offer.

While the Jets clearly like Austin, they are said to be hesitant about parting with a second-round pick, which would be 52nd overall. Austin, however, appears to be as good or better than any receiver the Jets could get in the second round.

It'll be interesting to see if Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum dreams up a creative offer sheet, one that may include a diabolical ``poison pill,'' a clause designed to make it virtually impossible for a team to match.

Last season, Austin, 6-foot-3, 216 pounds, had 13 catches for 278 yards (21.4-yard average) and three touchdowns. The fourth-year pro also averaged 21.5 yards on 29 kickoff returns.

It's unclear if Austin, a Garfield High grad, left the area. The New Jersey native may visit with his family over the holiday weekend.

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Sidney Rice?
Sidney Rice still have to accomplish something in his career... Yes Minnesota is not a WR friendly place but stil he has done nothing spectacular in his career... of course the jury is still out but I don't see anything special in him right now... he, imo, has the same value of Austin...
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I sure hope there is a poison pill that doesn't allow Dallas to match the Jets offer.

If we can't field a productive offense with the weapons we have not including Austin then we don't deserve to win.

We would be getting a 2nd rounder for a guy who for the most part hasn't proven anything yet.
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Sidney Rice still have to accomplish something in his career... Yes Minnesota is not a WR friendly place but stil he has done nothing spectacular in his career... of course the jury is still out but I don't see anything special in him right now... he, imo, has the same value of Austin...
He caught 31 from Tarvaris Jackson his rookie year then got hurt last year ...... but more importantly he is a different receiver than Austin and we could have had him while keeping the 2nd/3rd we sent to Philly for Spencer.
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I sure hope there is a poison pill that doesn't allow Dallas to match the Jets offer.

If we can't field a productive offense with the weapons we have not including Austin then we don't deserve to win.

We would be getting a 2nd rounder for a guy who for the most part hasn't proven anything yet.
Exactly. The offense has more weapons than receivers. Witten already was going to be the number 2 option, Bennett will get open too, and Felix and Barber are good options in the passing game as well. This team doesn't need a Cardinals style receiving core to be successful.
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Exactly. The offense has more weapons than receivers. Witten already was going to be the number 2 option, Bennett will get open too, and Felix and Barber are good options in the passing game as well. This team doesn't need a Cardinals style receiving core to be successful.
You need speed at the WR spot to stretch the field.

Bennett, Witten, Crayton, Hurd, Felix, MBIII are not effective if the field is shortened due to a lack of a deep presence.

What makes Austin important is he can fly by even the better Safeties so they need to ris-pet. Not sure Williams can do that. TO could but needed a clean release given his age. Maybe Stanback can.
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You need speed at the WR spot to stretch the field.

Bennett, Witten, Crayton, Hurd, Felix, MBIII are not effective if the field is shortened due to a lack of a deep presence.

What makes Austin important is he can fly by even the better Safeties so they need to ris-pet. Not sure Williams can do that. TO could but needed a clean release given his age. Maybe Stanback can.
Roy Williams is plenty athletic enough to keep a safeties attention.

We easily have the offensive players to pound the rock with Barber, Jones, and Choice. Once you suck up the safeties you go deep with Roy, or hit Witten/Bennett going down a seam.
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Im not worried at all aout our deep field game without Austin, Garrett will find ways to get us to go deep.
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Im not worried at all aout our deep field game without Austin, Garrett will find ways to get us to go deep.
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You need speed at the WR spot to stretch the field.

Bennett, Witten, Crayton, Hurd, Felix, MBIII are not effective if the field is shortened due to a lack of a deep presence.

What makes Austin important is he can fly by even the better Safeties so they need to ris-pet. Not sure Williams can do that. TO could but needed a clean release given his age. Maybe Stanback can.
I think Austin has successfully created a mirage in people's minds that he has deep speed. He does not have raw speed that makes him some special player that fits a unique role. If anything, he was simply the # called to run that deep route. Fortunately for him, his number was called and to his credit, he connected on some of them. Let me emphasize.... he connected on SOME of them. He was never consistent at it. But his timing got better.

The 2 things needed for a deep speed guy:

1. Raw speed.
2. Timing with the QB.
3. Have your number called to run that route.

Austin had 2 of the 3. The last 2. ...and he didn't have #2 until last year.

He's not the most difficult guy to replace on the team by any stretch of the imagination. He ran a 4.52 40 at the combine for crying out loud.
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I think Austin has successfully created a mirage in people's minds that he has deep speed. He does not have raw speed that makes him some special player that fits a unique role. If anything, he was simply the # called to run that deep route. Fortunately for him, his number was called and to his credit, he connected on some of them. Let me emphasize.... he connected on SOME of them. He was never consistent at it. But his timing got better.

The 2 things needed for a deep speed guy:

1. Raw speed.
2. Timing with the QB.
3. Have your number called to run that route.

Austin had 2 of the 3. The last 2. ...and he didn't have #2 until last year.

He's not the most difficult guy to replace on the team by any stretch of the imagination. He ran a 4.52 40 at the combine for crying out loud.
I just don't see why we now go and scrap the years worth of grooming we've done with Austin. Not to mention the fact that he and Romo have started to develop some chemistry and timing. Outside of Witten and Crayton, Romo has no solidified chemistry with any of our other receivers.
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Garrett sucks.
I have completely been against Garrett, but guess what he loves to do? Go deep, so he will find ways to get the receivers deep just like I originally stated.
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I just don't see why we now go and scrap the years worth of grooming we've done with Austin. Not to mention the fact that he and Romo have started to develop some chemistry and timing. Outside of Witten and Crayton, Romo has no solidified chemistry with any of our other receivers.
It happens all the time. When an undrafted player hasn't panned out or couldn't crack the starting lineup after 3 or so years its time to let that player go, and for a 2nd round pick.... Please take him!!!
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It happens all the time. When an undrafted player hasn't panned out or couldn't crack the starting lineup after 3 or so years its time to let that player go, and for a 2nd round pick.... Please take him!!!
But then we put ourselves back at square one. It's not a given that we will take that 2nd and replace Austin. And if you do, it's a crap shoot to see if they pan out.
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The Jets gave up on their pursuit of Austin per Roto... No longer a need to discuss that...
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The Jets' courtship of Cowboys WR Miles Austin is "dead," according to a person with knowledge of the situation.
So much for that flirtation.
Evidently, the Jets came to their senses, realizing it would've been crazy to part with a second-round pick -- the compensation that would've been required to land Austin, a restricted free agent.
The restricted signing period lasts until Friday, but as of this moment, the Jets are out of the Austin sweepstakes -- if you could call it a sweepstakes. The former Monmouth (N.J.) College star visited the Jets last Friday, fueling speculation that an offer sheet would be forthcoming. But he left without a deal, and he isn't going to get one, at least not from the Jets.
It looks like the Jets are confident they can find a potential starting receiver in the first or second round of the draft. Now that they're keeping their second-round pick, it gives them some ammunition in case they decide to trade up in in the first round.
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I think Austin has successfully created a mirage in people's minds that he has deep speed. He does not have raw speed that makes him some special player that fits a unique role. If anything, he was simply the # called to run that deep route. Fortunately for him, his number was called and to his credit, he connected on some of them. Let me emphasize.... he connected on SOME of them. He was never consistent at it. But his timing got better.

The 2 things needed for a deep speed guy:

1. Raw speed.
2. Timing with the QB.
3. Have your number called to run that route.

Austin had 2 of the 3. The last 2. ...and he didn't have #2 until last year.

He's not the most difficult guy to replace on the team by any stretch of the imagination. He ran a 4.52 40 at the combine for crying out loud.
The guy runs away from defenders. I don't need a gun to see that. I can see with my eyes once he catches the ball. BTW, he ran a 4.47, the 4.52 is something that hit the tape.

Regardless, I simply like what I see and it would be nice if he was given a real chance with some decent passes thrown his way. That means Romo not throwing up wobblers or under-throwing the post. Also getting him some crossing routes which he seems to do well with. If he can stay healthy and run his routes right.....

Frankly he has not been thrown to enough in this offense b/c we seem to always have "other priorities" which was the problem ...... throw him 80-100 balls this year and I will guarantee you 1,000 yards and 60 catches.

BTW, I am glad he stays this year. I hope he gets a shot and proves me right. Jets have no QB anyway so that was a dead zone for any WR. They think they can get Ocho Stinko for less.

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Incidentally, this whole discussion on Austin reminds me of the Elam discussion. Elam was/is a better Safety than Williams was even back then but he never got a shot all b/c he was UDFA. He became a Jets starter and now got a decent pay day in FA.

Fact is there is tremendous prejudice v. UDFA even when you see them outplay guys drafted higher. We just don't want to believe. You can add Hatcher to the guys I think should start too -- but we wasted a pick on Spears who is not a DE but everyone so wants to believe .....
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I remember a play this past season where Miles Ausin caught a deep pass, and was ran down by a safety inside the 10 yard line, now if he had this blazing speed like some say, why couldn't he outrun the safety?
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I remember a play this past season where Miles Ausin caught a deep pass, and was ran down by a safety inside the 10 yard line, now if he had this blazing speed like some say, why couldn't he outrun the safety?
Um, not knowing exactly what play I can't really comment. Maybe the safety had an angle, maybe he off balance. No clue.

I also remember a few plays he ran away from people or took a 5 yard crossing patterns and turned into 20 yards in spite of being dead-to-rights in front of a LB or Safety..

I am not sure this "how fast is fast: dialogue is productive but he certainly gets separation and he seems much faster than anyone they have right now at the WR spot. Hurd and Crayton are slow. Williams is not a burner. Stanback, I keep hearing but I have never seen it.

Only time and passes will tell.
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Incidentally, this whole discussion on Austin reminds me of the Elam discussion. Elam was/is a better Safety than Williams was even back then but he never got a shot all b/c he was UDFA. He became a Jets starter and now got a decent pay day in FA.

Fact is there is tremendous prejudice v. UDFA even when you see them outplay guys drafted higher. We just don't want to believe. You can add Hatcher to the guys I think should start too -- but we wasted a pick on Spears who is not a DE but everyone so wants to believe .....

Hindsight is 20/20.

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The Jets beat writer for the New York Daily News, Rich Cimini, is reporting that a potential offer to Cowboys restricted free-agent receiver Miles Austin is "dead." Austin, who grew up in Garfield, N.J., visited with the Jets on Friday and told ESPN.com on Monday that he expected to hear something by midweek.

Dave Hutchinson of the Star-Ledger reported earlier this evening that the Jets may have simply wanted to get a head start on Austin since he's scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent after the '09 season. As we discussed Friday, I think the Jets' personnel department may have had a higher opinion of Austin than the coaching staff.

If Cimini's report is accurate, Jerry Jones and the Cowboys can breathe a sigh of relief.
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Probably just feeling him out to see if he is a FA by next off-season, now he can play out the year on his tender.
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