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Old 05-20-2010, 04:29 PM    (permalink
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That surgery def. ruined his career. I dont think he just naturally lost it. Granted, kickers can be head cases, but he was an elite kicker before that surgery.
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Hey guys, I'm GM'ing the Cowboys in the 2011 forum mock we're doing and it's a 3 rounder. I just came in here to get some of your opinions on what you anticipate the teams top needs will be going into the next offseason.

D-Unit: S, DE, CB, C.
Fixed it. D was maybe reffing the high mileage on Davis requiring replacement, I thought of moving Gurode back to his original position.

I agree with those needs.

Add a WR if Crayton goes away & when Williams is adios unless he turns his whole career around.

Some mock picks for VM in TN:

Safety -- Tyler Sash, Iowa (Jr*). Love that name.
DE -- A) Marcel Dareus, Bama. Homer pick for a top 10-15 player, would have to trade up. Or B) DaQuan Bowers, Clemson
CB -- Pat Peterson, LSU * I think it's Newman's job to lose, it could happen but Jenkins is a younger cheaper keeper. Peterson is a fast riser for 2011, Matt Moore has him #1 among DBs
C -- Stefan Wisniewski, Penn St. Time to draft a pure center. Weighs 304. Seriously though, if they're as high on Travis Bright as I think they are, he'll be promoted in 2-3 yrs.
WR -- Greene from UGA but requires trading up. I think the Cowboys are stuck with Crayton anyway

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"Center of attention: With the release of Cory Proctor and Duke Preston, the Cowboys did a little shuffling on their offensive line. Kyle Kosier, the teamís starting left guard, worked with the second-team offensive line at center. Phillips said after practice that Kosier has some experience at center, having started some games there with the San Francisco 49ers early in his career, and that his ability to play center would allow the Cowboys to carry backup guard Montrae Holland on its active roster. Holland was inactive every week last season."

Kosier would have been relieving Jeremy Newberry way back there, Newberry had that C job in SF for umpteen yrs then retired as a Raider, replaced by Eric Heitmann who was their OL swingman & now out of position IMO, but Heitmann's been a 9er his whole career, a local pick as an UDFA from Stanford. Isn't Kosier about 50 yrs old? High mileage player, lol.

Be grateful they can carry the veteran Holland who might well be needed, Davis is another high mileage player & Gurode hasnt got many yrs left
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Kosier is probably about 31, I dont have the date in front of me. He doesnt have a whole lot of mileage, either. He's always been solid for us, and he was damn good last year.

As for Gurode. He's just fine at C. The guy was a C/G in college and he struggled at G when we had him there when he was younger. He didnt really take off until he beat out Al Johnson at C. There was a time when it looked like he wouldnt amount to much but, his career really took a positive turn, when we moved him back to C.
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Gurode is a good run blocking C, but his pass blocking leaves something to be desired. I agree with moth that moving to OG is a bad idea.
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It looks like the Dolphins have signed Cory Procter. Noticed you guys say he sucks but what Im curious about is how was he playing when Sparano was coaching him up?
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Mediocre. He's not any good, he can just play multiple positions. For whatever reason, the coaches have always been high on him, but you could never tell why when he actually saw the field. He just wasnt any good.

As for something else...Dallas is also trying to pawn Crayton on you guys. Hurd may be a Cowboy yet. haha.
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Mediocre. He's not any good, he can just play multiple positions. For whatever reason, the coaches have always been high on him, but you could never tell why when he actually saw the field. He just wasnt any good.

As for something else...Dallas is also trying to pawn Crayton on you guys. Hurd may be a Cowboy yet. haha.
Yeah thats not gonna happen. We already have our slot guy in Bess. He's better and cheaper then Crayton.
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Yeah thats not gonna happen. We already have our slot guy in Bess. He's better and cheaper then Crayton.
Yea I don't see that happening. Bess can literally do everything Crayton can do with more explosiveness and a cheaper contract, it would make no sense for them to want him.


As much as we probably are trying, we aren't going to trade Crayton or Hurd. Reggie Brown was traded for a 6th round pick to the most WR needy team in the league and at least he had one season of 800 yards and 8 TD's to go off of. I'd rather just keep Crayton vs a 7th rounder if it came down to it even if he doesn't play that much.



And I'm sure Hurd is upset he doesn't play more and wants to start so I understand that, but there are alot better players then him in the NFL who don't get to play. He is a very solid WR but he just has to wait to get his chance to play.
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I like Oggletree a lot. I think he's a player. I think your starting 3 should be Miles, Dez, and Oggletree.

I know that won't happen with Roy still on the team, but thats your most dangerous 3 WR set in my eyes.


Oggletree should be your starting slot WR.
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I agree with BBD.
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I like Oggletree a lot. I think he's a player. I think your starting 3 should be Miles, Dez, and Oggletree.

I know that won't happen with Roy still on the team, but thats your most dangerous 3 WR set in my eyes.


Oggletree should be your starting slot WR.
This has been my exact argument ever since January, it'll be that way sooner then later.
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Orlando Scandrick shattered his index finger, he'll be out 4-8 weeks.


I had always wanted to take a corner before we took Wall, because I doubt Newman plays every game and we all know that a few injuries to our CB's changes how we play defense.
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When I first heard of Scandrick's injury I feared he was out for longer. I thought it was an ACL tear or something that would put him out for a year. I'm not glad that he got hurt, but the injury should be something he comes back from in time that it doesn't hurt the team too much.
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Crayton has asked for a release from Dallas, claiming they are messing with peoples lives and careers..
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^Hahahahaha

I'm a big Crayton backer, but it's not that serious. lol
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He's not even this good to be crying like that, but oh well, I'll be so damn happy when him and Carpenter is gone, now who will ESPN run to when they need a story lol.
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Does anyone know if we can realistically afford Atogwe if he's released? Not sure of our cap situation, but his contract is likely to be in the ball park of what Antrell Rolle got, so I'm not sure if releasing Flo put is in the range of picking him up or not.
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Think about it like this. We woulda have been able to be under the cap with Hamlin...OJ's deal should be less this year than Hamlins was so I don't think money is an issue.

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We also haven't went after anyone else at all in FA, that's also a good point about where we would be with Hamlin's deal Thule I didn't think about that.


I just don't want to sign him for too long. I really like AOA as a starter after maybe 2 years, no need to rush him, but if you look at the rate Atogwe is a turnover machine at FS it makes you giddy.



I think he's racked up more turnovers the past 3 years more then any other safety in the NFL, including Ed Reed and Polamalu, and with the way Jerry had played mind games about answering questions about FA makes me think he had something like this in mind.


I just can't really believe they would let him walk without compensation, what is hurting signing him to a 1 year tender? I don't get it, but if it's gotten this far, looks like he's as good as gone. I am just waiting it out to see how it plays out now, I think Ball is ok but Atogwe is a huge upgrade and should make us a much better team short term.
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We also haven't went after anyone else at all in FA, that's also a good point about where we would be with Hamlin's deal Thule I didn't think about that.


I just don't want to sign him for too long. I really like AOA as a starter after maybe 2 years, no need to rush him, but if you look at the rate Atogwe is a turnover machine at FS it makes you giddy.



I think he's racked up more turnovers the past 3 years more then any other safety in the NFL, including Ed Reed and Polamalu, and with the way Jerry had played mind games about answering questions about FA makes me think he had something like this in mind.


I just can't really believe they would let him walk without compensation, what is hurting signing him to a 1 year tender? I don't get it, but if it's gotten this far, looks like he's as good as gone. I am just waiting it out to see how it plays out now, I think Ball is ok but Atogwe is a huge upgrade and should make us a much better team short term.
The Rams literally have 0 leverage over him. They don't want to pay him 110% of his salary from last year because that is close to 9 million I believe. They offered him the lowest tender hoping that a team would bite and they could get him for less. Noone bit and now they are screwed. They won't pay him that much money and he has no reason to sign for the lowest tender because in 1 hour he will have teams offering him what he wants. STL could still be a player...but they haven't inc'd out a long term deal yet...so I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the teams mentioned above finish it up in the next couple of days.
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It would be great if we could land him.

If we do land him, I wonder if JJ might hold off on the long term deal for Sensy. Give AOA a year to learn and then Atogwe and AOA are the starters beginning in 2011.
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I definitely don't think we will give him Rolle money. I don't really think we want to do that. I think we like him and would love to bring him in. But Jerry isn't ready to get burned. If he's willing to sign a respectable deal I don't see why we wouldn't bring him in. But we will not overpay for him. His market is pretty small right now from the sound of it. Few teams have already piped up saying they aren't interested....Miami and SF are two off the top of my head.
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