Dallas Cowboys Discussion

[D-Unit]

Originally Posted by pocketaces

You say that, but when we reach for an O-lineman in the top 5 you'll pull your hair out haha

Jerry will never draft an OL in the first round.

[Morton]

Originally Posted by D-Unit

Jerry will never draft an OL in the first round.

You're right; he'll go for the flashy player like Peterson instead.

Then the team will be saddled with a mediocre offensive line for years and continue to lose games and field a bottom 10 offense.

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LOL nah morton, ya fool.

Peterson baby... he'll do wonders for this team.

[D-Unit]

Originally Posted by Morton

You're right; he'll go for the flashy player like Peterson instead.

Then the team will be saddled with a mediocre offensive line for years and continue to lose games and field a bottom 10 offense.

You are a true winner.

Hey guess what? Maybe if you say that 10 more times you'll realize how much full of fail your logic is.

So you said we'd win 6-7 games... Tell me which ones! I'm dying to get another good laugh out of you!

[Modano]

Originally Posted by pocketaces

Mile's is not having the season he had last year, even before Romo got hurt. He's still very good but whats up with all the drops? Felix isnt doing anything (lines fault) Ware, Spencer, Jenkins, and Ratliff are having down years IMO. Not saying they will never be great again but this year has been dissapointing for all those guys. Is it coaching? Maybe. but they were Pro Bowler's under Wade before. I really thought our D would be flying all over the field causing havok but they are getting lit up every week, even by bad teams! Jerry;s got alot of work to do when this season ends.

I get what you're saying ;) They're good/great players who are (not all of them though) having a not so good season. Look at Drew Brees, we know he's great, but he's not playing great this year.
That's why I'm confident for the future, we're still stack with talent but there are critical position to fix. The problem was that our OL went down hill in one year: key players went from pro-bowlers to scrubs at the same time and I'm talking about Gurode, Davis and Colombo.

[Crimson79]

Can someone please ban the Morton guy.

[M.O.T.H.]

Originally Posted by D-Unit

Jerry will never draft an OL in the first round.

I disagree...I think it's just a matter of time. Our line can certainly force his hand, one day. I'm not saying he does it this year, if we're sitting in the top 5, because there is no one there to take...but if we were to have a worse pick, or to trade down or something...OL is certainly possible. It's so bad, that he'd have to consider it. There isnt a whole lot more upgrading you can do at the offensive skill positions. They're stacked, and yet are made useless behind a crummy line.

[M.O.T.H.]

As for Miles...there is certainly tons more to look forward to. Yall have a right to be pissed about his penalties and drops. Because yes, they are a problem. But the guy is still a legitimate threat and still averages just about 100 yards per game. lol. The guy is fantastic...he just has a lot to fix yet.

He's still looking at nearly 100 receptions and 1400+ yards, lets not sour on him completely. haha.

I'll admit, I'm pissed about a lot of his boneheaded penalties and the many drops, but he's still a beast.

[Sniper]

Originally Posted by Morton

You're right; he'll go for the flashy player like Peterson instead.

Then the team will be saddled with a mediocre offensive line for years and continue to lose games and field a bottom 10 offense.

If the Cowboys do end up in the top-5, they'd be foolish to pick an OL over Peterson. There isn't an offensive lineman worth a top-10 pick this year.

Peterson is flashy, but he's also very good. A little overrated, but still the best corner in the country, if that makes sense.

[Morton]

Originally Posted by Sniper

If the Cowboys do end up in the top-5, they'd be foolish to pick an OL over Peterson. There isn't an offensive lineman worth a top-10 pick this year.

Peterson is flashy, but he's also very good. A little overrated, but still the best corner in the country, if that makes sense.

Because cornerbacks score points for you, right?

Assuming that Peterson is instantly a shutdown corner in the NFL (which is a ridiculous assumption), even if a single cornerback can instantly turn a defense into an elite unit (which it won't), it won't matter if the Cowboys can't pass block or establish the run.

If the Cowboys neglect their offensive line yet again, they will seriously come to regret it in the future when they can't protect Romo and can't open holes for their RBs, regardless of what kind of secondary they develop.

People hate offensive lineman because they're mostly invisible to the casual observer of football - if they're doing their job, you just don't notice them. But when a team doesn't have good offensive linemen, the fans complain about the quarterback getting happy feet and the running backs being unable to find running lanes. But real football people understand the importance of a dominant offensive line - it improves your running game, and it keeps your quarterback clean. In turn, if you can keep your offense on the field for a longer period of time and establish a running game, you can keep your defense off the field.

There's a strong link between the 90s Cowboys having the best offensive line in the NFL and all the success they had. There's a reason the 2009 New Orleans Saints were able to field the #1 offense - they had two of the best guards in the NFL.

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Dude, do you not understand that there isn't an o-lineman worth a top 15 pick this year?

Do you have a learning disability? Infraction me for this post, i dont care D, his logic is making me want to punch babies.

[Morton]

Originally Posted by CDCB14

Dude, do you not understand that there isn't an o-lineman worth a top 15 pick this year?

Do you have a learning disability? Infraction me for this post, i dont care D, his logic is making me want to punch babies.

So you're just going to hope that Jerry can throw a couple hundred million at some older guys in free agency to shore up the O-Line? Gonna depend on some 2nd rounders / 3rd rounders to be solid starters?

[Sniper]

Originally Posted by Morton

Because cornerbacks score points for you, right?

Patrick Peterson does indeed score points, as evidenced by the two punt return touchdowns this year and four career touchdowns. Your logic is pretty terrible, though. Peterson's job may not be to score points, but if he helps the defense, wouldn't that help the offense by reducing the pressure on them?

Assuming that Peterson is instantly a shutdown corner in the NFL (which is a ridiculous assumption), even if a single cornerback can instantly turn a defense into an elite unit (which it won't), it won't matter if the Cowboys can't pass block or establish the run.

Let's say you have the Cowboys picking at No. 5, just to be smack-dab in the top-10. Wouldn't the value of Peterson and early second-round pick on the OL significantly trump the value of an OL in the top-10 and a corner in the early second-round? I'm just not sure what OL prospect you expect Dallas to take in the top-10. Jake Long's not in this draft. Joe Thomas isn't either. It's a weak OL year. Why would they reach badly?

If the Cowboys neglect their offensive line yet again, they will seriously come to regret it in the future when they can't protect Romo and can't open holes for their RBs, regardless of what kind of secondary they develop.

You're aware that you can draft OL past the first round, right?

People hate offensive lineman because they're mostly invisible to the casual observer of football

I'm not sure who "hates" offensive linemen.

if they're doing their job, you just don't notice them. But when a team doesn't have good offensive linemen, the fans complain about the quarterback getting happy feet and the running backs being unable to find running lanes. But real football people understand the importance of a dominant offensive line - it improves your running game, and it keeps your quarterback clean. In turn, if you can keep your offense on the field for a longer period of time and establish a running game, you can keep your defense off the field.

Gee, thanks for the lesson. I had no idea that's how football worked.

There's a strong link between the 90s Cowboys having the best offensive line in the NFL and all the success they had. There's a reason the 2009 New Orleans Saints were able to field the #1 offense - they had two of the best guards in the NFL.

Both were drafted in the middle rounds (Evans in the 4th, Nicks in the 5th), which doesn't help your "Cowboys must reach for an OL in the top 10" argument.

[Sniper]

Originally Posted by Morton

So you're just going to hope that Jerry can throw a couple hundred million at some older guys in free agency to shore up the O-Line? Gonna depend on some 2nd rounders / 3rd rounders to be solid starters?

Every offensive line depends on non-first rounders to develop into solid starters. Look at the Eagles, our favorite team. Herremans was a fourth-round pick. Max Jean-Gilles was also a fourth-rounder. Jason Peters was an UDFA. Winston Justice was a second-round pick. In fact, the Eagles don't have a single first-rounder on the team.

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HAHAHAHA, morton get dominated... by a fan of your own team nonetheless.

[Macarthur]

Originally Posted by GatorsBullsFan

Maybe other teams and the media will finally give the jags some credit now.....eh what am I saying everyone will be talking about you guy's downfall..

Good game Cowboys

I do think Jax is underrated.

I'll tell you this, I think Del Rio is a pretty good coach. He's been in a very tough conference and has had a QB that battles inconsistency. I wouldn't mind seeing what Del Rio could do with this Cowboys roster. He sure as hell gets more out of his team than Wade ever thought of getting.

[LizardState]

After yesterday's latest embarrassing debacle I have the need to diatribe & rant, here it goes.

Here's my take transcribed from the team needs thread on the 2010 Draft pg. Again, it's just my perception compiling a list of team needs, not a prediction of what will occur in the draft:

Besides a new coaching staff, overstating the obvious. Garrett is a fixture & embedded there, he's 2nd generation & he will remain regardless of his next job, which could be HC by default.

I don't see Cowher or even Gruden in all his greed working for Jerry Jones even at $5M+/yr. or the team reaching out to a college HC. At least someone else will be responsible for the gameplan that should accentuate the strengths of the offense instead of showing off on how cute he can be. A new STs coach is needed b/c they have Sam Hurd, a Pro Bowl quality STs player but opponents know it & he is blocked more often than not, & the kicking game & kick coverage sucks, see the KO return TD given up to the Vikes by Harvin.

O-line: 3 out of the front 5 need replacement as well as depth, that adds up to lots of new bodies there. Leonard Davis is used up & Marc Colombo is showing signs of it, although he could be a serviceable swingman backing up both tackles. A true center is needed & can be found with a mid-round pick, Gurode can go back to his original guard slot, but they can only get one OL good enough in this OL sparse draft to develop for the future, so an OG at least to be acquired in FA. Wiesniwski from Penn St. would be just fine by me, he can play either C & OG.

RB: Depends on if they keep all 3 they have. If any of them go they will need another one for their rotation (Felix Jones has the Razorback connection with You Know Who, can't see him leaving).

DE: Spears is gone, IDK about Igor Olshansky who's 50-50 at this point, Only Ratliff is a keeper. Not the best DE class this yr, some of the best are DE/DT tweeners (in a 4-3 that Dallas doesn't play), so I can see them signing a FA DE.

CB: Jenkins stepped up last yr but this season has become a flag magnet, & Newman is due a raise like $5M(?), so I think they'll dump him. Good corners on the FA mkt don't come cheaply so I can expect them to pay at least that much in total $ with signing bonuses, etc. for his replacement, it will be at least as costly as Clements cost the 9ers 3 yrs ago & we can't break the bank for a corner. It might be better to draft Peterson from LSU #1 if he can handle the rookie pressure, since NFL QBs love to throw at rookies.

SS & FS: Biggest needs IMO. Scandrick & Sensabaugh are garbage & s/b gone, Ball might be salvageable but it's doubtful. Gordon & Watkins are depth at best. At least one of these s/b drafted in the 2nd-4th rds:
-- Rahim Moore, UCLA
-- Deunta Wlliams, UNC
-- Tyler Sash, Iowa
-- DeAndre McDaniel, Clemson
-- Mark Barron, Alabama,
& acquire a FA who can start, probably as SS.

PK: I have no faith in Buehler whatever, & at midseason I think the coaches think so too. Kai Forbath, UCLA, or Alex Henery, Nebraska would be preferable (& come cheaper) to a retread veteran kicker. They struck gold with Nick Folk who made the Pro Bowl as a rookie, maybe they can again.

Sniper actually raises a good point about Patrick Peterson & his value, he can save the hits on Dez as a KR & AOA hasnt set the woods on fire this season. Yes, they will have to pay him a boatload of $ if he's taken at any pick up to nos. 5-6, if he's as good as they say he may not even last that long. Factor in the previous draft patterns that characterize Dallas, trading back & out of the 1st rd. if Jerry doesn't have a shot at His Guy (just drives me crazy when they do it), & it seems likely they could miss on Peterson.

Face it, Jerry has made some enemies out there on draft day, Dallas has more draft day trades than any other team historically & they've burned some people, if one of them is ahead of Dallas in the draft order do not discount them trading that pick to whoever, or taking Peterson themselves just to screw Jerry. And CBs as good as they say he is always have multiple suitors, could be several teams with shitbag secondaries, & are there are plenty of them, will love to trade up for him.

About morton, you've chosen the wrong team page to snark or troll in. While this Dallas thread has lots of other teams' fans posting regularly & we welcome their comments as long as they're respectful, even lots of Giants, Skins & Eagles fans from the NFC East, as long as they're respectful & know wth they're talking about (even Sniper has b/c he at least is honest & knows FB). To use an Old West analogy, we have a sheriff in this town named D-Unit who has several troll notches on his gun. You just seem to enjoy turning the box over to see what comes rolling out. Making trouble for the fun of it doesnt work here, & you're wearing out your welcome. Read the TOU, then go for a walk or take 15-20 deep breaths or bang your head against a doorframe, whatever, then read them again. Keep provoking posters here & you're gone.

[Sniper]

I don't think you should put Peterson at KR. PR for a season or two works well, but having a potentially elite CB taking major shots at KR seems a bit silly. Plus, for you guys to be successful, Dez needs as many touches as possible.

<3 Dez.

[The Unseen]

I usually come into the other team's thread after they play the Jaguars to say "good game," win or loss. However, I feel like saying "good game" would be mocking you all since that was in no stretch of the imagination a good game by the Cowboys. So instead, I say better luck next season, because your team does have a lot of bright spots, even with all the bad spots.

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by The Unseen

I usually come into the other team's thread after they play the Jaguars to say "good game," win or loss. However, I feel like saying "good game" would be mocking you all since that was in no stretch of the imagination a good game by the Cowboys. So instead, I say better luck next season, because your team does have a lot of bright spots, even with all the bad spots.

Well it actually was a good game since we lost, the more we lose the more it's obvious change needs to happen. New coaches, a higher pick, all of that will be a good thing. This season was long gone, and we wouldn't have won the SB even if we made the playoffs so I'm just hoping for a premiere player and some new coaches.


I only see 2 more games left we can win, Detroit and Arizona. And we can EASILY lose those also which is funny, so we should be right there to take Patrick Peterson, but we are still gonna have to hope the FA class is good to see if we can get a Safety and right side of our offensive line.

[bigbluedefense]

I don't think it would be crazy for Dallas to switch to a 4-3 defense under a new regime. Ive been saying tha tfor the past 2 years.

You can definitely make it work. Ware would be a beast in any scheme, Spencer would be solid, Ratliff would florish as a UT, in fact Spears would make a very solid 4-3 NT, ive been saying that for years as well.

DBs are DBs, they're irrelevant to the switch. You just need a true 4-3 WILL to make the change. And I know the 3-4 is great to move Ware and Spencer around, but you can still do the same thing in a 4-3. 4-3 defenses have changed a lot in the past decade. A good 4-3 DC does a great job of moving his pass rushers around.

Im gonna make a thread next week about the Titans. Ive studied their defense during hte bye, and their dline is a perfect example of how 4-3 teams have adapted to moving guys around and using various stunts to become just as confusing as a 34 front.

[LonghornsLegend]

O and D, earlier when we were talking about playing some young guys, that was before the Giants game, when had we beat them and Jax we would of been right smack in the division and playoff hunt. Now? Throw em out there lol.


I want to see AOA at FS, I want to see Jason Williams start, I want to see Leon Williams get extended pt, PLEASE let Stephen Bowen start some games since he could and should be our starting DE next season and while were at it see if Jason Hatcher can outplay Igor.


There are a ton of guys we need to evaluate and now is the perfect time.


Oh, and for all the people who want to say PP is a luxury pick, must have forgot we only have 3 active CB's, the rest are practice squad players and Safeties who convert down. Seeing as how Scandrick sucks, and Newman is older and always with nagging injuries, how is CB not nearly at the top of the list?


CB is as big as any need on the team, and while it may not be the sole biggest, you look at your biggest needs which are CB, Safety, DE, and O-line. You see what you have returning at those spots, and were the elite players are for where you are picking and it's a very easy choice.


Unless we want another Mike Mickens or Jamar Wall getting extended playing time, because that has worked out so well huh? Peterson and Jenkins on the outside, Newman in the slot is formidable, and honestly if Newman gets hurt we are still getting ate alive with Scandrick inside.


We also have formidable options at DE with Hatcher and Bower, Columbo at RT, and while there are none at Safety it's not like we have a shot to get a Laron Landy type of safety. I think it's becoming a pretty easy choice to take PP judging by how high we'll pick, and who are the elite players in the draft.

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Im gonna make a thread next week about the Titans. Ive studied their defense during hte bye, and their dline is a perfect example of how 4-3 teams have adapted to moving guys around and using various stunts to become just as confusing as a 34 front.

If we could make it look like that I'd be all for it, I love what they do with their down lineman, very exotic and attacking, confuses the O-line. I'll be looking forward to that post, and I'd be open to a 4-3 but hesitant none the less. Anytime you have arguably one of the best pass rushers in the NFL, who has been in a 3-4 his entire time, you wonder about how it's gonna work out and hope you don't mess up a good thing.

[Sniper]

Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

Well it actually was a good game since we lost, the more we lose the more it's obvious change needs to happen. New coaches, a higher pick, all of that will be a good thing. This season was long gone, and we wouldn't have won the SB even if we made the playoffs so I'm just hoping for a premiere player and some new coaches.


I only see 2 more games left we can win, Detroit and Arizona. And we can EASILY lose those also which is funny, so we should be right there to take Patrick Peterson, but we are still gonna have to hope the FA class is good to see if we can get a Safety and right side of our offensive line.

You'll probably sweep the Eagles again. :(

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by Sniper

You'll probably sweep the Eagles again. :(

As good as Vick has looked? Lol yea right. Our secondary is the gift wrapped secondary you want to target in fantasy football. I told everyone to start David Garrard. Vick is gonna have a field day and it'll be pretty easy on him. Besides I think we've mailed it in, focus isn't even there, neither is the passion.