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Yea I read that and meant to respond, but yes Jenkins would be a good gamble for a 3rd rounder IMO. I think quite a few teams will put in a bid for him, and a 2nd is just a big gamble. We seem to shy away from guys like this though, remember how Talib was taken completely off of our board that draft? Which was weird because he was a hometown kid, same for Percy Harvin and a few others.


I think with Talib facing a suspension it'll scare us away from even trying for Jenkins but the upside of his talent and the weakness at our position I'd be fine with a 3rd. We've wasted that away in trades, and much worse players then Jenkins who is a 1st rounder on talent alone and may gone in the 1st this year as it is.


Doubt we do it though, he seems like an idiot and an asshole, the attention anything he does by being in Dallas and in the spotlight would be catastrophic.
I just think the cost of investing on him would outweight his return, but yeah... doesn't really seem like a Jason Garrett kind of character.

In that case... I'm ready to give Nnamdi the $120M dollar contract that he wants. Good Lord.
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I have actually been thinking about the supplemental draft because of Jenoris. I think he would be able to help a lot, I am just unsure what would have to be offered to get him. I would expect it would be a fairly high pick, as he seems like he could probably play year one.

I am the lone person that thinks a large part of the CB problem is Anthony Spencer (or what I mean to say is the lack of pass rush). I have been amazed at how little he has brought to the table. When he came out, it was clear that he was drafted due to his pass rush potential alone. I can only think of the half season in 2009 when he played well and if I remember correctly, everyone in the front seven was playing well at that time also.

I am on the band wagon for getting Jenoris in the supplemental, but I still feel like until we find someone else that can be disruptive besides Ware, it may be more of the same.

I noticed that David Ball, DE for the Titans, may be a free agent. I know it would be a position change and kinda risky, but I was thinking he might could be a stop gap. He is 6'5 255 and kinda rangy. He is 30 years old, but he did have 7 sacks last year and I don't think he has a ton of miles on him.

It makes me mad to be looking among the free agent pool of players to try and find a pass rusher. I went to two preseason games last year and I remember thinking "All of these linebackers are good." I don't know what happened once it was time to start playing real football.
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As a side note-now I remember actually posting that I went to one of the games and actually posting on here afterward the game that all the linebackers look good and appear to be ballers.

I feel pretty dumb right now.
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I really hope Garrett stays true to the words he speaks. He says he wants open competition... well, Victor Butler should emerge as the better pass rusher and I hope that helps. Spencer's FA is looming... he'll either bust out like crazy to earn that next contract or he's a goner (hopefully).
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I'd really love to have more faith with Spencer like I did for 09, but he didn't turn the corner as huge as I wanted him to. In 09 he was great besides getting those overrated sack numbers, but he took some steps back last year. He just wasn't making the plays that he should have. Sure he looked good against the run, but that burst and quickness he had in 09 wasn't there. Hopefully Butler lights a fire under him because the guy keeps getting better and better. I'm thinking he'll step up again and look great at it. He just needs to get better at defending the run and covering passes, but either way it goes he's offering something as a pass rush specialist.
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I'd really love to have more faith with Spencer like I did for 09, but he didn't turn the corner as huge as I wanted him to. In 09 he was great besides getting those overrated sack numbers, but he took some steps back last year. He just wasn't making the plays that he should have. Sure he looked good against the run, but that burst and quickness he had in 09 wasn't there. Hopefully Butler lights a fire under him because the guy keeps getting better and better. I'm thinking he'll step up again and look great at it. He just needs to get better at defending the run and covering passes, but either way it goes he's offering something as a pass rush specialist.
I know what you mean... but our entire defense sucked. Hard to pin it on just one position. What's the guy to do when the secondary can't buy him time and the DL can't block for him? Unless we fix our secondary and DL in FA... expect more of the same. Bruce Carter and Josh Thomas ain't gonna come in and rescue the day.

We need to fill 4 positions in FA.

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...and that's just defense... We need 2 starting guards too.
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considering Nnamdi's age, (30 in july) it's probably going to be a bit steep cap wise paying him Demarcus Ware or better type money when we first have to figure out Doug Free and Stephen Bowen's contracts plus finding a couple free agents at safety and maybe another at DE. We might only get 2 good years out of Nnamdi before we start seeing an obvious decline. But some of this depends on the cap situation is going to look like going into next year.

I like the idea of going after Jenkins for a fourth maybe, but I would think some team desperate at cornerback like the Lions will put in higher maybe even a 2nd rounder. Plus as you say Garrett is taking the high road with the players labeled with character risk.

it also Sounds like Cincy is committed to keeping J. Joseph long term too unfortunately. That would be the other nice option. There might be some other veterans that get released too that might add for quality depth, but i just tend to think cornerback is less of a concern than getting quality safeties and maybe adding another good DE if one is out there.

Anyone have thoughts on Barry Cofield? He's going to be available. I know he's a good run stuffer and has the size for 3-4 DE though i don't know if the switch would be natural. I Hope Jerry looks into that one.
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What do you guys think about moving Newman to safety?

Then you could get a CB such as Asmoghua or Jonathan Joseph and plug him in at Newman's old position.

And you could probably extend Newman's career by a couple of years by playing him at safety.
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Newman needs to be cut, he'd be a liability at Safety too and not nearly as physical or durable. We are probably gonna make the playoffs, but the only way we make a serious run is if our line holds, and Romo elevates his game to an Aaron Rodgers level in the playoffs.


Alot of big games for us are probably gonna end 35-31 or 31-28, unless we can get up fast and pin our ears back to attack the QB it's gonna be tough. I guess the only silver lining is that the Eagles and Skins secondary is just as bad as ours, it's actually a fight for who has the worst.
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Newman needs to be cut, he'd be a liability at Safety too and not nearly as physical or durable. We are probably gonna make the playoffs, but the only way we make a serious run is if our line holds, and Romo elevates his game to an Aaron Rodgers level in the playoffs.


Alot of big games for us are probably gonna end 35-31 or 31-28, unless we can get up fast and pin our ears back to attack the QB it's gonna be tough. I guess the only silver lining is that the Eagles and Skins secondary is just as bad as ours, it's actually a fight for who has the worst.
I agree with LL. Newman should but cut. I don't even want him back on a restructured deal because I still think that restructured deal will be expensive.
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I like how you guys are going crazy with the Madden-style roster management and we don't even have a clue if pro-football gets played this fall. Dallas drafted like a team with no needs, Newman is still overpaid even if moved to safety, we aren't going to trade for anyone, Asomugha is a pipe dream without MAJOR cap manipulation. With Roy, Barber, Davis, Newman, Brooking, Colombo, others all on chopping block who knows how much of that goes against out cap this year.
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I really don't think it's Madden like roster management signing lower level guys like Huff and Blalock or going crazy with FA add ons. Aso may be a pipe dream but it's a typical Cowboy signing and if anyone gets him we would probably be in the top 5 choices.


I don't know what the FA period will be like or if we have one, but I'm just going to talk like everything else will fall in line and if it doesn't happen so be it. I don't know why it matters if we don't know if were playing football in the fall or not, I just hope were active in doing the best we can to try and improve before the next game.
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I wouldnt call Huff a "lower level" FA signing...guy is going to make bank. I dont know what we'll have to spend in FA, but Huff is going to be pretty damn costly. Something pretty comparable to Rolle, probably.
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Everyone gets paid in FA no matter who it is. But Huff isn't gonna get paid more then Whitner for instance, nor do I think he'll be the best Safety on the market. Same for Guard with Blalock, I feel like there will be a handful of guys that get paid more. They are still starters, but you have to spend money in FA period if you want a starter, that's just the nature of the business.
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I like how you guys are going crazy with the Madden-style roster management and we don't even have a clue if pro-football gets played this fall. Dallas drafted like a team with no needs, Newman is still overpaid even if moved to safety, we aren't going to trade for anyone, Asomugha is a pipe dream without MAJOR cap manipulation. With Roy, Barber, Davis, Newman, Brooking, Colombo, others all on chopping block who knows how much of that goes against out cap this year.
Brooking is not on the chopping block. Barber or Choice are going to be gone. Newman is about to make what? $11M? Raise your hand if you think he's gonna get that. I could see Davis coming back, but it's not like the guys on this forum are the only ones talking about him being a potential cut. Colombo could be back if he's willing to be a good soldier. I think as a swing tackle, he makes some sense. That said, why bring back these guys if they aren't going to help us now and are not a part of the long term picture?

Speaking of Choice.... I love the guy, but why are there rumors saying Garrett doesn't like him and that he could be gone/traded? I figure the most sense is in cutting Barber and his fat contract. What gives? What do you guys think will happen?
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If it's 1 thing I don't understand it's how Choice is supposedly in the dog house. If we somehow kept Barber and traded Choice I'd give up on this team. Maybe it's something in house, but what has Choice done other then step up in spot duty and been ready to play?


I really hope he is the starter and we mix in alot of Felix and Demarco, but I guess it's something going on I don't know about.
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I think Garrett put the fumble at the end of the half against Washington on Choice...thinking choice should have known better. IDK...his blitz pickup is worse than Felix. Not saying it's fair...but it seems like the writing is on the wall.
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What cap are we talking about? I still think this season will be played under last years rules. Which means no cap which means we could frontload an Aso deal no problem and laugh to the bank. Do you really think the 2011 season is going to be played with a salary cap? I just don't see how that is even possible at this point.
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Cutting Davis, Barber, Newman, Williams, and Bradie would save big money and have little-to-no-effect on our records next year.

With what is saved -- get some 3/4/5 year FA to cover needs.
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Bradie is def. not getting cut at all. I still doubt we see Williams or Newman get cut either.

Things also dont work like that exactly, depending upon what happens with the cba. You can run into substanstial cap hits. And moves you make in an uncapped year, have to be somewhat methodical as well.
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What cap are we talking about? I still think this season will be played under last years rules. Which means no cap which means we could frontload an Aso deal no problem and laugh to the bank. Do you really think the 2011 season is going to be played with a salary cap? I just don't see how that is even possible at this point.
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