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Old 09-01-2011, 10:37 AM    (permalink
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I love Rat and he's been a warrior, but this strikes me as one of those problems where he's going to pay an older guy for what he HAS done instead of his future prospects.
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Not sure what to think of it. I think JJ should just give him another 2yrs and some extra cash. We should still get some high production out of him for another 2-3 years.
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I love Rat and he's been a warrior, but this strikes me as one of those problems where he's going to pay an older guy for what he HAS done instead of his future prospects.
Exactly...this was moreso my question. If Jerry pays him it'll be based off his last 3 probowls. I think he's got another season or two left in him to play at a pro-bowl level, but then the wear and tear on his body will slow him down.
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Exactly...this was moreso my question. If Jerry pays him it'll be based off his last 3 probowls. I think he's got another season or two left in him to play at a pro-bowl level, but then the wear and tear on his body will slow him down.
But if you guys can find an adequate replacement at NT for him I could see him continue playing at an extremely high level as a DE for another 2-3 years after the 2 years you think he has at NT.
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Jay Ratliff would be so much better in a 4-3 scheme. Not sure what Ryan will do with his crazy schematics, but it's one thing that should be fun to follow this year.
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Murray making the Dolphins backups look bad. 48 yards on the screen pass. Niiice.
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I didn't even know the game was playing today. lol.

Guess I have something fun to watch when I get home from work tonight. :D
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I didn't even know the game was playing today. lol.

Guess I have something fun to watch when I get home from work tonight. :D
Yup, last one.

Mcgee just threw a bad INT in the end zone. And Buehler is back, I had no idea he was kicking today.
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Yup, last one.

Mcgee just threw a bad INT in the end zone. And Buehler is back, I had no idea he was kicking today.
He must still be starring down too hard on his first read. Hooray for improvement. lol.
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Mcgee still barely goes through his progressions, if he does at all.

He's just lucky that his first option, is normally open. He still has a **** ton to learn. He's at least shown some flashes, he can make all the throws. But he cant read defenses.
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Not good that Larry Johnson just ran for a 20+ yard TD to Vic Butler's side.
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J. Phillips continues to impress......Forget Marty B...Phillips is the future of the Cowboys TE spot.
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Rayner just missed a kick. lol.

edit....and there is a really bad miss by Buehler. lmao.
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Rayner just missed a kick. lol.

edit....and there is a really bad miss by Buehler. lmao.
Jeez...Can we not find ONE freaking kicker that can actually do their job?????
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No Joke. I really hope they just give the job to Bailey now.

As for something else...JJ said Nagy scared him last practice. Dude has a mildy sprained knee, he said. Great sign, that our starting LG and C both have sprained knees. lol. At least Nagy was good enough to play tonight and he played fine. But still, this offensive line transition is scary enough...we dont need them all banged up. JJ also didnt sound that confident about Newman starting week one and he pretty much said, they wont be cutting Tanner.
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Like I said before no reason Bailey shouldn't be our starter. I'd be willing to grow with him knowing he would get better in the future.
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Mcgee still barely goes through his progressions, if he does at all.

He's just lucky that his first option, is normally open. He still has a **** ton to learn. He's at least shown some flashes, he can make all the throws. But he cant read defenses.

You've said that since he was a rookie and it's just flat out wrong, you've had a bias against him since day 1. You give guys forever and a day to prove themselves and make a ton of excuses if you like them, and their not crap from day 1 if you don't like them, just the facts lol.


You talked up Clausen like he was so much better then McGee and I'm not sure I could pick who I would want out of the two. McGee was a 4th rounder, he wasn't a 1st round guy expected to be a starter. He's won numerous games for us, and came through in the clutch/4th quarter as well.


What were you honestly expecting out of him? Give the dude a break. He beat the Eagles last year with Kolb and while they may not have had a full team we didn't either, and Kolb is supposed to be alot better then him. He's moved this offense in the 2 minute drill very well, from behind, with a worse line, and sub par WR's.


If you expected more out of him then we've gotten with that pick it's your own fault for being disappointed. He's a very solid young QB, you could break him down about his faults if he was supposed to be a starter 1 day but he never was. By all accounts he looks like he can be a good back-up QB behind Romo.


While guys like Brian Brohm were drafted in the 2nd round and playing in the AFL right now and Brady Quinn was drafted in the 1st and is an average back-up QB, we have a 4th round QB who has won regular season games for us vs playoff teams and constantly improved, but yea, let's just keep trashing him like he had all these lofty expectations and is on the verge of being cut.


McGee was never gonna be a decent player to you from the jump.
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Wow...that came out of nowhere, lol...and yea...is pretty on point. I like McGee, and he's done nothing but improve. He's gotten better at reading defenses, and should be a solid backup in a year or two. That's all he's going to be, and that's respectable.
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You've said that since he was a rookie and it's just flat out wrong, you've had a bias against him since day 1. You give guys forever and a day to prove themselves and make a ton of excuses if you like them, and their not crap from day 1 if you don't like them, just the facts lol.


You talked up Clausen like he was so much better then McGee and I'm not sure I could pick who I would want out of the two. McGee was a 4th rounder, he wasn't a 1st round guy expected to be a starter. He's won numerous games for us, and came through in the clutch/4th quarter as well.


What were you honestly expecting out of him? Give the dude a break. He beat the Eagles last year with Kolb and while they may not have had a full team we didn't either, and Kolb is supposed to be alot better then him. He's moved this offense in the 2 minute drill very well, from behind, with a worse line, and sub par WR's.


If you expected more out of him then we've gotten with that pick it's your own fault for being disappointed. He's a very solid young QB, you could break him down about his faults if he was supposed to be a starter 1 day but he never was. By all accounts he looks like he can be a good back-up QB behind Romo.


While guys like Brian Brohm were drafted in the 2nd round and playing in the AFL right now and Brady Quinn was drafted in the 1st and is an average back-up QB, we have a 4th round QB who has won regular season games for us vs playoff teams and constantly improved, but yea, let's just keep trashing him like he had all these lofty expectations and is on the verge of being cut.


McGee was never gonna be a decent player to you from the jump.
Qb is a different kind of evaluation. I cant stand QBs that dont go through progressions...and he doesnt. That's not wrong at all, look at his eyes. He nearly always throws to his first read or checks down on every single play.

I treat QBs no differently. To say I liked Clausen more as a prospect is kind of silly. Not like I was the only one. He was a very polished QB...who's turned out not to be a player at all. It happens.

I have no personal vendetta, it makes me mad that he hasnt learned how to read properly yet. If he had to start, you'd have to hold his hand the entire time. The guy has a lot to learn yet and that is fact. I actually like his physical abilities, he can make the throws and he's shown good accuracy here and there on intermediate throws, but he's got major tunnel vision.
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If you dont like me being hard on Qbs...then you're not going to like me whenever we draft a youngster to replace Romo one day. If that's the route we go, that is.
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Radway may have seriously injured his knee/leg with just 3 seconds left in this game. :(
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I remember you talking Clausen up during the pre-season after he was drafted, and I'm not sure if you call Clausen going through all his progressions what he's been doing but it certainly hasn't worked. McGee wasn't drafted as a Romo replacement, he was drafted for QB depth and a back-up.


I would expect everyone to be as hard on him if he were to be the starter 1 day, but McGee never was drafted for that, nor was he a prospect you should have expected to develop into a starter. For what he's given us thus far he's been a good pick, not sure how it could be enterpretated any way else if you were gonna take a QB there.


If you realistically listed your expectations for a 4th round back-up QB, McGee would have met every single 1 of them. You don't draft a franchise QB replacement in the 4th round.


I could list a ton of 2nd round QB's drafted who have been much much worse then McGee, alot who aren't even still in the league anymore.
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Radway may have seriously injured his knee/leg with just 3 seconds left in this game. :(
I turned it off because I'm about to shut it down, 5am comes early for me:( But I hope not. If it's one thing I am always interested in with this team is our UDFA WR's. Just seems like money in the bank every so often lol.
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I remember you talking Clausen up during the pre-season after he was drafted, and I'm not sure if you call Clausen going through all his progressions what he's been doing but it certainly hasn't worked. McGee wasn't drafted as a Romo replacement, he was drafted for QB depth and a back-up.


I would expect everyone to be as hard on him if he were to be the starter 1 day, but McGee never was drafted for that, nor was he a prospect you should have expected to develop into a starter. For what he's given us thus far he's been a good pick, not sure how it could be enterpretated any way else if you were gonna take a QB there.


If you realistically listed your expectations for a 4th round back-up QB, McGee would have met every single 1 of them. You don't draft a franchise QB replacement in the 4th round.


I could list a ton of 2nd round QB's drafted who have been much much worse then McGee, alot who aren't even still in the league anymore.
Clausen does go through reads, but he makes stupid decisions against pro defenses. He was a very polished, and technically sound prospect, but he just doesnt have it, really. He was fools gold, and I, like many others, fell for it. Maybe he can put it all together one day, but he's had a pretty piss poor start to his career.

But if you have a QB who just zones in on one primary target...that guy will not succeed in the pros. And no, Mcgee isnt going to be a future starter here. But I certainly want him to be able to go through his progressions properly, if he is our primary backup one day. That's the whole point, if you want him to be Romo's backup, he needs to know how to do these things, so he can actually be effective, if Tony went down. Currently, he'd have a lot of inconsistencies. You want to get him to the point, where you dont have to over simplify, just in spite of the QB. There is potential, given his physical attributes, but he really needs to continue to work on making those reads, if I'm going to have faith in the guy.

If there is a bias anywhere...it's not against Mcgee as a person, it's against pro QBs that dont make reads. Prove that you know what's actually going on out there, and not just tunneling in on one guy or dumping every other pass off to the RB or TE. It may get you numbers in the preseason, but it wont work in the regular season. I have certain expectations for Qbs...starters and backups a like.
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Anyone want to try their hand at a 53 man roster? This could really be a hard one this year.

edit...And oh I didnt even notice that Rayner also missed that last FG to end the game. I hope you enjoyed your stay dude, cause you def. blew it. Short on a 51 yarder and just straight up missing a 33 yarder, I believe.
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