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Old 09-14-2011, 10:28 AM    (permalink
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Oh and D-Unit, here is a Bruce Carter bio for you:
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He has a 41 inch vert and had 9 pass deflections as a senior... so I don't understand where your getting the no PBU's stat....

Just some facts for you man!
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I'll obviously be watching the entire O-Line this week. But more so than anyone, Mr. Nagy. His strength will dictate, if he's actually ready to start or not. He struggled more than the rest of the guys against the Jets. And it was his upper body strength that seemed to be the problem. He still did a good job in pass protection, but he was also pushed deep into the pocket on occassion. He bent, but he didnt break in pass protection, but being pushed back into the QBs pocket, could be just as bad. Just something to keep an eye on. A full year in an NFL strength program could do wonders for him, though. But if it becomes a problem, Dockery may have to take over. Hopefully it was just the Jets tough ass defense, we'll see. Nagy's got the look of a good G, I just dont know if the strength is there yet.

On a related note...I like having an athletic line, but we're so light up the middle right now. It's still a couple of weeks away, but Suh is looming. lol.
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Looks like Dockery is starting at LG over Nagy in practice today....
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Looks like Dockery is starting at LG over Nagy in practice today....
Already? I thought they'd give him another week at least. But his lack of strength was apparent, for this game, at least. Like I said, I like the guy...he just needs to hit the weights, same thing with Arkin.

Where did you see that Dockery was taking the 1st team reps?
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Twitter.....although it looks up in the air.

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Who knows? You'd figure they'd give him another week at least, but it's a move that may have to happen.

Starting Dockery is probably the better idea going forward, though. It would certainly help ease some of my fears of having such a young line. Starting two of these guys, sounds a lot better than three. It's what I wanted in the first place. Having a veteran at either LG or C. I just figured Nagy would get more time, the way things shook themselves out.

They just seemed so committed to the three...so it'd be pretty interesting for them to pull the plug on Nagy after a week.
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Old 09-14-2011, 01:17 PM    (permalink
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I'd guess they are giving Dockery work with the starters because of the unbalanced line we ran on sunday. When we are in run heavy formation....You could have Dockery at LG/LT and move Free to the right side. I think that might be where we see Dockery on the field this week.
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Good. I want Dockery out there. My faith in Nagy is not there. Never has been.
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I think Arkin and Nagy will be fine once they've had a year with Woicik.
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Okay I took a few days off from the board to get that loss out of my system. On to the Niners. Simply put, if we control Frank Gore and keep Vernon Davis contained, we win this game. I think we can easily put up 24+ puts against that defense.

I say give Nagy one more game to prove himself and then give him the hook. However, it wouldn't hurt for him to sit and learn behind Dockery either.
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Actually...Nagy is banged up they're saying. He has a soar neck. Still, any reps he loses to Dockery are hurting him, if he wants to remain a starter. There's no denying that Dockery would be an upgrade in short yardage situations, and probably in the running game in general.

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A year or more, but I tend to agree. For rookie guards, they dont look too bad, just suffer from a very common strength deficiency for rookie lineman. Doug Free was in the same boat, back in the day.
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For the record, let's keep Dez off the special teams and just playing at WR. I know he's a very special returner, but his real value is at WR.
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As much lack of faith I have in Nagy, I must say... I wasn't disappointed in Costa at all. I caught good glimpses of him battling very nicely and very aggressively. If he did anything really bad, I didn't catch it.

The OL gave up 4 sacks. I know Kosier gave up at least 1. Does anyone know how the other 3 were accounted for? My memory doesn't serve me right.
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Actually...Nagy is banged up they're saying. He has a soar neck. Still, any reps he loses to Dockery are hurting him, if he wants to remain a starter. There's no denying that Dockery would be an upgrade in short yardage situations, and probably in the running game in general.



A year or more, but I tend to agree. For rookie guards, they dont look too bad, just suffer from a very common strength deficiency for rookie lineman. Doug Free was in the same boat, back in the day.

That's what I'm thinking, or hoping, whatever you wanna call it. I think there is a good chance we have a future line of Free, Nagy, Costa, Arkin, Tyron. Or at least the starting line for 2012. From what I saw we struggled big time in short yardage situations, but it's an extremely athletic offensive line and Garret does a superb job of putting them in situations that fit their strengths and mask their weaknesses.


That I have to give him credit for. I think we have to learn to get a bit more smash mouth up front though.
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As much lack of faith I have in Nagy, I must say... I wasn't disappointed in Costa at all. I caught good glimpses of him battling very nicely and very aggressively. If he did anything really bad, I didn't catch it.

The OL gave up 4 sacks. I know Kosier gave up at least 1. Does anyone know how the other 3 were accounted for? My memory doesn't serve me right.
BtB says only one of the sacks was from a mistake (Kosier) the rest were overloads and not attributed to a specific lineman. Our line graded out slightly above average (compared to the league) which is a good sign :D
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Dez sat out of practice yesterday, the official injury report lists him with a thigh contusion. I'm a little concerned because these can linger throughout the season if they rush him back too quickly. He still has a significant limp when he walks.

The damage to the muscle with a thigh contusion can increase pretty quickly if it's not handled properly. I think that's what happened when we left him in the game after that punt return, you could see it impacting him more and more as the game wore on.

EDIT: Dez is not practicing today. *sigh*

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You just said you hoped the Boys didn't rush him back too quickly because it could be a lingering issue...yet you *sigh* when they do just that?

I'm confused.
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You just said you hoped the Boys didn't rush him back too quickly because it could be a lingering issue...yet you *sigh* when they do just that?

I'm confused.
I was hoping to hear that it was okay, there are different variations of thigh contusions. Best case scenario is it's fine after 2-3 days. If it wasn't that bad he would have been good to go by now with no lingering effects, but the fact he's still limping around is concerning. This could be the type of contusion that takes 2-3 weeks to fully heal and can linger.
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Looks like they're just being careful though.

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Injury update:

Newman OUT this weekend, Dez will play.
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Rucker was added to the PS.

I heard Nagy isnt practicing at all today, due to that neck injury.
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I heard Nagy isnt practicing at all today, due to that neck injury.
Sounds like he might have a nagy injury. :D

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Sounds like he might have a nagy injury. :D

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Nagy is officially out with that neck injury. Dockery will get the start, and Arkin will be on the game day roster.
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Nagy is officially out with that neck injury. Dockery will get the start, and Arkin will be on the game day roster.
Hate to hear any injury involving the neck. I feel bad for the fellah. He's just trying his hardest. But really, he's been in over his head for a while now and the puffed up practice reports really did him a disservice as well as fool a lot of Cowboys hopefuls. He should be on the long road to success... having the chance to develop and improve strength. He's a 2-3 year project in the BEST case scenario. I know many thought by penciling him in as a starter that he'd be "ok overall"... taking some lumps here and there... but still do an adequate job on the year... But don't blame me for not trying to tell you so. You just can't invest too much in preseason practice reports, despite how much you want to believe "coach talk". We're 1 week in and even I thought this discussion would be happening more down the line. Goes to show how tough this league really is in the trenches. Are we back to reality yet or are there some who think when he gets healthy that he should start again?
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