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Old 12-12-2011, 01:55 PM    (permalink
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And I didn't even mention Newman's dropped pick 6. :(
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Well, hell, you could say that about every throw. A ton of throws are complete because the WRs make an adjustment. Notice how there is a free rusher bearing down on Romo. He had to get rid of the ball quick.

Remember the long completion Eli made to Nix has he was scrambling to his right? He threw that ball 900 feet into the air. There is no way that should have been complete, but Sensy was 30+ yards deep (and I'm not exagerating). That was freaking rediculous! That ball could have easily been picked. How about the ball into the endzone that Ball knocked down? Good grief, if he reaches two hands up, that should have been an INT. Elii could have VERY easily had 4 INTs last night. Eli is playing pretty well but he's also got some luck, mojo, whatever you want to call it going for him right now.
I brought this up last night. Ball and Newman win the game if they simply catch 2 balls right in their hands. Sensy if he did not play ridiculously bad coverage on that play mentioned.
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Well, hell, you could say that about every throw. A ton of throws are complete because the WRs make an adjustment. Notice how there is a free rusher bearing down on Romo. He had to get rid of the ball quick.

Remember the long completion Eli made to Nix has he was scrambling to his right? He threw that ball 900 feet into the air. There is no way that should have been complete, but Sensy was 30+ yards deep (and I'm not exagerating). That was freaking rediculous! That ball could have easily been picked. How about the ball into the endzone that Ball knocked down? Good grief, if he reaches two hands up, that should have been an INT. Elii could have VERY easily had 4 INTs last night. Eli is playing pretty well but he's also got some luck, mojo, whatever you want to call it going for him right now.

Not sure how this became an Eli discussion.

Anyway, we can agree to disagree as you said. It ends as one of the pivotal plays of the game, so blame usually gets assigned even if sometimes their are just unfortunate circumstances.
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Not sure how this became an Eli discussion.

Anyway, we can agree to disagree as you said. It ends as one of the pivotal plays of the game, so blame usually gets assigned even if sometimes their are just unfortunate circumstances.
Well, I was trying to make the point that QBs don't always throw the ball right on the money. Sometimes it's the WR making adjustments and sometimes it's because the secondary sucks, like last night.
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He is 100% right.

Cowboys, as a team, are weak and have been for years. Parcells knew it and actually talked about it before leaving. About guys in the locker room owning it and the results. A no excuses mentality where each guy knew what he need to do.

Talent? Yes.
Brains" Rarely.
Heart? Not once yet.

And that falls on the Vets who have been there from the mid-00s. The young guys can still be molded but when you are managed by softies .... nothing comes of it.
Which is exactly why I hated the Garrett hiring. He's a part of that group and it's almost impossible to implement a change in culture with an in-house guy. He's too friendly with our veterans and is quick to defend them after they **** up, and that's not gonna help anyone in our locker room develop a spine.
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Anyone else getting kinda tired of Ware disappearing in big games..?
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Here's an old gem from way back in week 2. I'm looking at YOU D-Unit lol.

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Here's an interesting question I was asked today. If Denver cuts or wants to trade Tebow, would you be interested?

I'm personally not a believer in McGee so I would have no problem bringing in Tebow and seeing if we could develop him. Despite the hate he gets from the media, he's actually played pretty well when he's gotten the opportunity. I'd take him for something like a 4th.

Anyone else want to chime in on this hypothetical?
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Guys I don't mean to troll here but I find some of your posts hilarious. At least the Cowboys have some hope of making the playoffs each year. Try being a Redskin fan. We have only gotten to mediocre at best over the last 20 years, usually we stink. You have no idea what suffering is.
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Tebow ******* sucks. He's proving that quarterbacks don't win games like people parrot all the time. You don't win a game with 13 points because your QB is awesome. People should start giving the defense props for making it possible for his sorry ass to "win" games instead of spouting that idiocy that he's somehow magically winning these games for the Broncos.
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Any chance Jerry runs out and hires Sparano to be OC? Like right now?
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Tebow ******* sucks. He's proving that quarterbacks don't win games like people parrot all the time. You don't win a game with 13 points because your QB is awesome. People should start giving the defense props for making it possible for his sorry ass to "win" games instead of spouting that idiocy that he's somehow magically winning these games for the Broncos.
I mean they've been averaging like 21 Points per game since he took over. You won't mistake them with GB but they haven't been totally inept. I'm not gonna get into a Broncos discussion on our board though, there's a Tebow thread in the Pro section with a gazillion pages... I was just busting D-Unit's balls.
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Any chance Jerry runs out and hires Sparano to be OC? Like right now?
I'd say no chance, at least not until the season ends.

BTW, did anyone catch this shot after the blocked FG?



haha, you think the kid had a say in us drafting Felix in the 1st? "He's my favorite player Grandpa, you HAVE to get him!"
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Jerrah has that look on his face like, "Somebody's gonna get fired tonight."
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I'd say no chance, at least not until the season ends.

BTW, did anyone catch this shot after the blocked FG?



haha, you think the kid had a say in us drafting Felix in the 1st? "He's my favorite player Grandpa, you HAVE to get him!"
That is the look of a defeated man.

But fact is they have been consistently losing these game since Parcells.

You need to start questioning yourself if you ever want to get back to the SB.

It starts with not over valuing your Vets, finding smart players and making sure their is absolute ruthless discipline in eliminating those underperforming to expectations.

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That is the look of a defeated man.

But fact is they have been consistently losing these game since Parcells.

You need to start questioning yourself if you ever want to get back to the SB.

It starts with not over valuing your Vets, finding smart players and making sure their is absolute ruthless discipline in eliminating those underperforming to expectations.
We've been losing games since Switzer, buddy.
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Here's an old gem from way back in week 2. I'm looking at YOU D-Unit lol.
I'm sorry, but Tebow hasn't done ANYTHING for me to change my mind from back then. I don't care if the Broncos are winning. I'd rather have a one armed Tony Romo than Tim Tebow.
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I'd rather have a one armed Tony Romo than Matt Barkley.
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Great stat I heard about our team tonight:


Since the Garrett hire he has lost 9 games as the HC. 1 game was a blowout, but the other 8 games we have lost by a total of 27 points. In every single one of those 8 games, we had the lead in the 4th quarter.


That says everything we need to know about this team. I can talk about how many areas we screw up at, but this stat speaks volumes.
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I'd rather have a one armed Tony Romo than Matt Barkley.
That has nothing to do with the discussion, but I thought that was funny.
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I love how we have fallen apart and could get blown out by the Bucs (ha!) and still win the division.

Win versus the Eagles at home.
Beat the Gmen in the match on New Years day.

Playoffs. Insanity lol.
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Jets will beat the Giants which means we can go 9-7 and win.

If Eagles run the table don't surprised if 8-8 wins it.
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That has nothing to do with the discussion, but I thought that was funny.
I was poking fun at your 'trade tony romo and let's draft matt barkley' suggestions.
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Pretty sad:(
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Are you suggesting the core blame go to Rob? Just asking.
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I went back and watched the game again, and I often do this. You'll be surprised at how many of your assumptions about the game were wrong when you go back and watch it again. After watching the game in more detail thanks to DVR, and studying a couple of plays in general, I have to stand up for Rob Ryan here.

Now I know I've said many times this season that I feel Rob is an overrated coordinator, and I stand by that, but he's also not as bad as I thought he was. The truth is, you guys just need more talent on defense. You don't have a lot of talent on defense.

Rob did an incredible job of disguising coverages on Sunday. A lot of times, you guys would sell 1 hot read, and at the snap totally reroute your coverages and blitzes and really force the qb to think on his feet. More often than not, there wasn't a prensnap read you can accurately assume will be open.

I know the Giants offense pretty well, and I'm pretty good at reading defenses pre-snap. One of my favorite parts of watching football games is reading the defense presnap and seeing who should be open based on the formations of the offense and defense etc. With Giant games, more often than not I'm on the money bc I know the team's playbook (superficially at least).

Against Rob's defense, I probably only figured out 3 to 4 prensnap reads the whole game. I'm usually good for abo9ut 20. To put this into context, Perry Fewell's defense was so predictable, I accurately knew what the defensive playcall was presnap on roughly 95% percent of the game. In fact, to be more specific, there were only 3 plays where I didn't read the defense probably before the snap. It was that vanilla.

I though it was 4, the 4th being the long pass that Robinson caught on Prince, but I was actually right on that coverage. I read Cover 2, and after Prince chased him in man I thought perhaps I read it wrong, that they lined up in Cover 2 zone and switched to a man coverage after reading their keys (the Giants do this often, start out in a zone that changes to man). But Prince confirmed after the game that it was a Cover 2 zone, he saw the safety bite on something else and broke off his zone to chase Robinson to prevent a wide open touchdown on busted coverage.

But anyway, I'm getting off track. What I'm trying to say is, the gameplan was actually pretty good. It wasn't an easy defense to figure out. Eli just had one hell of a game, that's all. Look at some of his throws, he hit guys who he had no business throwing to. A lot of those catches were covered as well as you can cover em, but Eli made a sick throw that was almost indefensible.

When a qb in the zone like that, you can't do anything about it. And your secondary just isn't very good. In fact, your whole defense lacks talent outside of ILB and Ware.

I read earlier in this thread that Ware disappeared in this game. I couldn't disagree more. Yes, he had 2 boneheaded mistakes, but the guy was disruptive all night. He had 6 qb pressures, we dobuled him and slid protection to him all night, he dictated the gameplan on offense. If you watch the game again, you'll see how much Eli had to either throw off his backfoot or move the pocket to make his throws.

He was not comfortable in the pocket. Ware was the main reason for that.

Rob's main problem is the hurry up offense. He goes very basic vs the no huddle. That's why you guys blow so many 4th quarter games. Is that really all on him though? It could be your defense doesn't have that field general to line guys up vs the hurry up. Often times vs the hurry up, the MIKE really has to make a lot of adjustments. For argument sake, let's put this on Rob anyway.

Even with that, the guy is doing a good job with the talent you have. There just isn't as much talent on that defense as you want to believe.
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