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I usually abhor Skip Bayless, but this is a point where I actually agree with him.

This is a little dance the Packers and Favre have done since Ted Thompson was hired and Aaron Rodgers was drafted.

They don't really want Favre back, but can't say that. Favre would prefer to play for a championship team, but would rather make the Packers trade him than demand a trade since he currently has such a sterling public image and doesn't want to hurt future endorsement deals, autograph signings, etc. when he retires. Favre has already hurt his image publicly around the league to a certain degree, but in Packerland he is still godlike. So much so that fans are more willing to take a players' advice that knows next to nothing about talent evaluation than a GM who has made a living at it.
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I usually abhor Skip Bayless, but this is a point where I actually agree with him.

This is a little dance the Packers and Favre have done since Ted Thompson was hired and Aaron Rodgers was drafted.

They don't really want Favre back, but can't say that. Favre would prefer to play for a championship team, but would rather make the Packers trade him than demand a trade since he currently has such a sterling public image and doesn't want to hurt future endorsement deals, autograph signings, etc. when he retires. Favre has already hurt his image publicly around the league to a certain degree, but in Packerland he is still godlike. So much so that fans are more willing to take a players' advice that knows next to nothing about talent evaluation than a GM who has made a living at it.
Or the fact that TT seems content to lose for a few years rather than make any sort of moves that could help the team. He is too risk averse. He doesn't need to go out and sign every free agent to hit the market like the Redskins, but a few players that will end up starting isn't the end of the world. People like Ryan Pickett. The Packers have so much cap room they wouldn't be mortgaging the future if they just do SOMETHING!!! TT is a great talent evaluator, I am not convinced of his GM abilities though. He seems he would rather start a bunch of second day draft picks than proven NFL players.
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The thing is that Randy Moss wasn't a huge risk. They could have easily traded the James Jones pick for Moss. Is Moss more of a risk than a guy whose highest level of competition is San Jose State?
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The thing is that Randy Moss wasn't a huge risk. They could have easily traded the James Jones pick for Moss. Is Moss more of a risk than a guy whose highest level of competition is San Jose State?
I know, which is what I am saying. He was a risk, so TT didn't want to take it. He is a *****. Ron Wolf also believed in building through the draft, but look at when they won the Super Bowl, they signed Bad Moon Rison and Keith Jackson, both huge risks. TT won't do anything he considers a risk, and it pisses me the hell off.
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TT isn't gonna jeopardize the future of his franchise for an old whining qb who is just thinking about himself right now.

The packers are building the team the right way, and not overspending on mediocre FAs. Now the Moss thing, hey look, they tried. But Moss chose NE. How is that TT's fault?

If Favre has a problem with the direction the franchise is going, he's more than welcome to retire. TT isn't gonna design his entire draft around Brett Favre and appease his huge ego. He has to do what he feels is the best for the TEAM. T-E-A-M. Not Favre.
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TT isn't gonna jeopardize the future of his franchise for an old whining qb who is just thinking about himself right now.

The packers are building the team the right way, and not overspending on mediocre FAs. Now the Moss thing, hey look, they tried. But Moss chose NE. How is that TT's fault?

If Favre has a problem with the direction the franchise is going, he's more than welcome to retire. TT isn't gonna design his entire draft around Brett Favre and appease his huge ego. He has to do what he feels is the best for the TEAM. T-E-A-M. Not Favre.
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TT isn't gonna jeopardize the future of his franchise for an old whining qb who is just thinking about himself right now.

The packers are building the team the right way, and not overspending on mediocre FAs. Now the Moss thing, hey look, they tried. But Moss chose NE. How is that TT's fault?

If Favre has a problem with the direction the franchise is going, he's more than welcome to retire. TT isn't gonna design his entire draft around Brett Favre and appease his huge ego. He has to do what he feels is the best for the TEAM. T-E-A-M. Not Favre.
Do you know how the Moss thing went down? Do you know why Moss went to New England over Green Bay? Doesn't appear that way. Moss agreed to restructure his contract for 3 mil a year. Hell, Favre even said he'd take a pay cut in order to accomadate Moss. The reason we didn't get Moss was because TT didn't want to guarantee all of Moss's salary and give up a fourth round pick.
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Well thats b/c you're a jags fan and you don't know what it's like to have a face of a franchise and somebody the caliber of Brett
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Well thats b/c you're a jags fan and you don't know what it's like to have a face of a franchise and somebody the caliber of Brett
Honestly, at this point in his Career, I'd take Byron Leftwich over Favre, so I disagree with your logic.

And has it ever occurred to any of the people blaming the Moss thing solely on TT, that maybe, just maybe Randy would rather play in New England than Green Bay?
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Do you know how the Moss thing went down? Do you know why Moss went to New England over Green Bay? Doesn't appear that way. Moss agreed to restructure his contract for 3 mil a year. Hell, Favre even said he'd take a pay cut in order to accomadate Moss. The reason we didn't get Moss was because TT didn't want to guarantee all of Moss's salary and give up a fourth round pick.
WHO THE HELL WOULD?

What don't you get about that? Youre mad bc he wouldn't want to pay Moss? NOT ONE SINGLE TEAM IN THE NFL DID.

Moss had his choice of restructuring for a SB caliber team, or restructuring for a developing team. Who the hell you think he's gonna choose? Please, GB had no realistic chance of getting Moss. And if they were dumb enough to pay him his Oakland salary, then TT shouldve gotten fired on the spot for making such a dumb move.

And Favre wouldnt have done jack. Please. He switches sides more than a bisexual hooker.

EDIT: I don't mean to come off a jerk here, Im just surprised at the logic of how this is all TT's fault.
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WHO THE HELL WOULD?

What don't you get about that? Youre mad bc he wouldn't want to pay Moss? NOT ONE SINGLE TEAM IN THE NFL DID.

Moss had his choice of restructuring for a SB caliber team, or restructuring for a developing team. Who the hell you think he's gonna choose? Please, GB had no realistic chance of getting Moss. And if they were dumb enough to pay him his Oakland salary, then TT shouldve gotten fired on the spot for making such a dumb move.

And Favre wouldnt have done jack. Please. He switches sides more than a bisexual hooker.

EDIT: I don't mean to come off a jerk here, Im just surprised at the logic of how this is all TT's fault.

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Honestly, at this point in his Career, I'd take Byron Leftwich over Favre, so I disagree with your logic.

And has it ever occurred to any of the people blaming the Moss thing solely on TT, that maybe, just maybe Randy would rather play in New England than Green Bay?
But it was a financial thing for TT and Brett said that he would restructure his contract to accomadate Randy and TT never followed up
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WHO THE HELL WOULD?

What don't you get about that? Youre mad bc he wouldn't want to pay Moss? NOT ONE SINGLE TEAM IN THE NFL DID.

Moss had his choice of restructuring for a SB caliber team, or restructuring for a developing team. Who the hell you think he's gonna choose? Please, GB had no realistic chance of getting Moss. And if they were dumb enough to pay him his Oakland salary, then TT shouldve gotten fired on the spot for making such a dumb move.

And Favre wouldnt have done jack. Please. He switches sides more than a bisexual hooker.

EDIT: I don't mean to come off a jerk here, Im just surprised at the logic of how this is all TT's fault.
I don't think Moss would have restructured as much for many teams in the NFL. Obviously the reason he wanted to restructure for NE was for a chance at a Super Bowl, and to play with Favre in Green Bay's case. Now, I'm going off Favre's quotes here, who has ties to Moss through his agent, but according to Favre the packers could have signed Moss for less than New Englad did, and Moss wanted to play in GB.

Basically, the reason alot of packer fans are mad, is because when you have the chance to add a playmaker such as Moss, for as little as he could have been had, you do it. Especially when we need another bonafide playmaker on offense.
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But it was a financial thing for TT and Brett said that he would restructure his contract to accomadate Randy and TT never followed up
That's were I think it's just the media making a story out of nothing. If Brett was willing to pay for him, I don't see TT turning him down. I think it's just Moss wanting too play in New England, and nothing more.
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So much so that fans are more willing to take a players' advice that knows next to nothing about talent evaluation than a GM who has made a living at it.
I could imagine Brett Favre as a scout:

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TT isn't gonna jeopardize the future of his franchise for an old whining qb who is just thinking about himself right now.

The packers are building the team the right way, and not overspending on mediocre FAs. Now the Moss thing, hey look, they tried. But Moss chose NE. How is that TT's fault?

If Favre has a problem with the direction the franchise is going, he's more than welcome to retire. TT isn't gonna design his entire draft around Brett Favre and appease his huge ego. He has to do what he feels is the best for the TEAM. T-E-A-M. Not Favre.
And just how is Justin Harrell going to help? Doing what is best for the team isnt drafting a guy at a position where you already have 3 potential starters.
Favre's needs are exactly the same as the team's.
Favre needed a good deep target(MOSS). Favre needed a TE, but TT didnt grab Greg Olsen. And the defense needed a S, but TT didnt trade down or pick one at 16. So as of late TT hasnt done anything to help the team or Favre.
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And just how is Justin Harrell going to help? Doing what is best for the team isnt drafting a guy at a position where you already have 3 potential starters.
Favre's needs are exactly the same as the team's.
Favre needed a good deep target(MOSS). Favre needed a TE, but TT didnt grab Greg Olsen. And the defense needed a S, but TT didnt trade down or pick one at 16. So as of late TT hasnt done anything to help the team or Favre.
TT goes for BPA. You know that. Why reach on a need pick? It's stupid. Sherman did that, and look where that got him.
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TT goes for BPA. You know that. Why reach on a need pick? It's stupid. Sherman did that, and look where that got him.

How would Greg Olsen had been a reach? Harrell wasnt even BPA, nor Jones, or Jackson
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TT goes for BPA. You know that. Why reach on a need pick? It's stupid. Sherman did that, and look where that got him.
I agree, any of your guys "need areas" would have been a reach.
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How would Greg Olsen had been a reach?
I don't know. Maybe because he was a high second rounder before he ran his 40.
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I don't know. Maybe because he was a high second rounder before he ran his 40.
And Harrell and Jones werent reaches?
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And just how is Justin Harrell going to help? Doing what is best for the team isnt drafting a guy at a position where you already have 3 potential starters.
Favre's needs are exactly the same as the team's.
Favre needed a good deep target(MOSS). Favre needed a TE, but TT didnt grab Greg Olsen. And the defense needed a S, but TT didnt trade down or pick one at 16. So as of late TT hasnt done anything to help the team or Favre.
I would go on saying how you are wrong, but I'v e done that several times all ready. I'm pretty much done with this conversation.
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