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Old 05-14-2007, 11:18 PM    (permalink
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What people don't realize about Osi is how good he is against the run. Yes, he is a speed rusher that can beat anyone off the edge...but he has developed strength in the upper and lower half to toss linemen around and make a stop.

If Osi avoids the injuries to the lower half this season, he'll have a huge year. And for those that need to pick on someone...Yes I do still believe he is better than Peppers.
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Wasn't Kampman the best DE against the run and pass last year. I remember looking at something that he had the most sacks, most pressures/most knockdowns in the league as well as the most tackles for a DE.
It's very likely. He had a tremendous year last year. I just want to see him do something even close to that again. His first two years as a starter were pretty average and then he exploded last year.
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Will Smith could be a base end in a 4-3, a rush end in a 4-3, or an OLB in a 3-4.
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I don't know if Will Smith would be as good of a rushbacker as Osi would. Osi has better lateral movement and better speed. Smith plays a little stiffer than Osi. Ive been saying for awhile now, I think Osi would be an even better rushbacker than he is a DE, which is scary. You saw it with Jason Taylor this year. He's way too athletic and instinctual to be just a DE. I think Osi has Jason Taylor potential.

As far as Kapman goes, I need to see another season. He was amazing this year, but another season is needed for me to put him up there. He did play great though. I don't think he's the best run stuffing end however. Guys like Strahan, Seymour, and Jason Taylor come to mind ahead of him.

You know who doesn't get enough love? Schloebel and Burgess. Both these guys have been very solid the past 2 years and barely ever get mentioned.
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You know who doesn't get enough love? Schloebel and Burgess. Both these guys have been very solid the past 2 years and barely ever get mentioned.
that's what happens when you have good players playing for teams that don't do well... Too bad for them.... Didn't Burgess demand a new contract earlier this year?
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Did Burgess play the run better in '06? Cause I know he couldn't at all in '05.
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Burgess isn't the best against the run, but he's better than Freeney, yet he gets way less pub than Freeney does. I think he'll slowly improve in the area of run stuffing, and he'll make more strides this year. In my limited view of him this year, he didn't seem that bad against the run, so I dunno.
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Don't get me started on Freeney. I've always said he is the most overrated player in the NFL.
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Yes I do still believe he is better than Peppers.
Sillybear, no DE in the NFL is better than Peppers.

He's better against the run than he is against the pass and he still gets held, or double teamed or cut at the line on every passing play, despite being run at all day and he just eats it up and asks for more.

Osi is a good defensive end, probably top 10 in the league, but better than Peppers? No way in hell.
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Osi Umenyiora has 125 Tackles, 54 Assists, 28.5 Sacks, 8 Passes Defended, and 9 Forced Fumbles in 56 games played.

Will Smith has 109 Tackles, 40 Assists, 26.5 Sacks, 9 Passes Defended, and 11 Forced Fumbles in 46 games played.

Julius Peppers has 203 Tackles, 47 Assists, 53.5 sacks, 3 INTs, 26 passes defended and 17 forced fumbles in 76 games.

Osi would have to average over a sack a game to catch him in that stat, let alone the passes and fumbles, tackles he would probably get there, but RDE's always have more tackles than LDEs, its only normal.
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Osi Umenyiora has 125 Tackles, 54 Assists, 28.5 Sacks, 8 Passes Defended, and 9 Forced Fumbles in 56 games played.

Will Smith has 109 Tackles, 40 Assists, 26.5 Sacks, 9 Passes Defended, and 11 Forced Fumbles in 46 games played.

Julius Peppers has 203 Tackles, 47 Assists, 53.5 sacks, 3 INTs, 26 passes defended and 17 forced fumbles in 76 games.

Osi would have to average over a sack a game to catch him in that stat, let alone the passes and fumbles, tackles he would probably get there, but RDE's always have more tackles than LDEs, its only normal.
you must take into consideration that Osi was a special teams player in most of his first years games, was hurt last year, also had strahan hurt, forcing major double teams, while pepper had Rucker. Not saying Peppers isnt great, but these stats really dont say much. Plus peppers is a great athlete, so is Osi but Julius is a freak, and better in coverage, hence the more pass deflections
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I just get pissed when people say anyone is better than Peppers, no player at any position in the league is game planned as much as teams game plan for him.

No one, not Peyton, not LT, not Brady, not Taylor, no one.
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Peppers is the best DE in the game and is often double and trimple teamed, but he also has an inconsistant motor.
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I saw him play at OSU, total beast. Saw him get drafted to a divisional rival...still a total beast. Seriously though if you really think that Osi is a better player, then you need to watch some more film.
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I just get pissed when people say anyone is better than Peppers, no player at any position in the league is game planned as much as teams game plan for him.

No one, not Peyton, not LT, not Brady, not Taylor, no one.
I really find that hard to believe, only for the fact that Peppers is pretty much always in the same spot before the snap. Does he get double teamed a ridiculous amount? Yes, but teams don't really have to game plan a ridiculous amount for him because he is always at LE. Jason Taylor for example, plays DE on both sides, plays OLB on both sides, plays ILB, blitzes, plays man, drops into zones, teams have to game plan a lot more for that because one guy does so much.
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I just get pissed when people say anyone is better than Peppers, no player at any position in the league is game planned as much as teams game plan for him.

No one, not Peyton, not LT, not Brady, not Taylor, no one.
OK ok, thats going toooo far, all of those players except Taylor are game planned as much or more than Peppers.
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I just get pissed when people say anyone is better than Peppers, no player at any position in the league is game planned as much as teams game plan for him.

No one, not Peyton, not LT, not Brady, not Taylor, no one.
I love Peppers, but that's a hyperbole. Hell, Vick & maybe even Bush gets more preparation than Peppers does.
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I just get pissed when people say anyone is better than Peppers, no player at any position in the league is game planned as much as teams game plan for him.

No one, not Peyton, not LT, not Brady, not Taylor, no one.
I think Peppers is the best DE in the game, right now. But that claim is outrageous, and I would very much like a source that corroborates that statement.
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I think Peppers is the best DE in the game, right now. But that claim is outrageous, and I would very much like a source that corroborates that statement.
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You're saying that teams plan more for Peppers than say.. a Michael Vick? Or to a lesser extent a Reggie Bush? Peppers is tremendous, but please stop the homerism.
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yeah both are great young DEs...Will Smith plays the run a little better, Osi rushes the passer a little better. Theyre both rising stars.
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