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Old 05-15-2007, 07:54 PM    (permalink
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Yes I do still believe he is better than Peppers.
I-... You know what I can't even come up with a response to something that dumb.
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Osi Umenyiora has 125 Tackles, 54 Assists, 28.5 Sacks, 8 Passes Defended, and 9 Forced Fumbles in 56 games played.

Will Smith has 109 Tackles, 40 Assists, 26.5 Sacks, 9 Passes Defended, and 11 Forced Fumbles in 46 games played.

Julius Peppers has 203 Tackles, 47 Assists, 53.5 sacks, 3 INTs, 26 passes defended and 17 forced fumbles in 76 games.

Osi would have to average over a sack a game to catch him in that stat, let alone the passes and fumbles, tackles he would probably get there, but RDE's always have more tackles than LDEs, its only normal.
First three years:

Willi Smith has 149 tackles, 26.5 sacks, 11 forced fumbles and 9 passes deflected.

Julius Peppers has 143 tackles, 30 sacks, 12 forced fumbles and 14 passes deflected.

Not a huge difference. Plus Smith wasn't starting his rookie season.
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I just get pissed when people say anyone is better than Peppers, no player at any position in the league is game planned as much as teams game plan for him.

No one, not Peyton, not LT, not Brady, not Taylor, no one.
Completely ridiculous statement. Arguments can be made that other DEs in the league are better than Peppers. Even if Peppers was head and shoulders above other DEs, he doesn't demand near the preperation of some offensive players.
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Completely ridiculous statement. Arguments can be made that other DEs in the league are better than Peppers. Even if Peppers was head and shoulders above other DEs, he doesn't demand near the preperation of some offensive players.
Agreed. As good as Peppers is, I have seen him dissappear and be a complete non-factor in games before. That is never the case with Payton Manning or LT.
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First three years:

Willi Smith has 149 tackles, 26.5 sacks, 11 forced fumbles and 9 passes deflected.

Julius Peppers has 143 tackles, 30 sacks, 12 forced fumbles and 14 passes deflected.

Not a huge difference. Plus Smith wasn't starting his rookie season.
Your ignorance may be your only saving grace as it is not possible for a person to watch both players to compare their athletic talents and honestly say Will Smith deserves a cough besides Julius Peppers name being mentioned.
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Peppers is so overrated and is a prime example of fans falling in love with measurables. If he played up to the caliber of his athleticism than he would be a beast, but he simply doesn't.
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Peppers is so overrated and is a prime example of fans falling in love with measurables. If he played up to the caliber of his athleticism than he would be a beast, but he simply doesn't.
Thats my main issue with him. He should be better than he is. If he doesn't work on that technique, he'll have a poor 2nd half of his career when that athleticism starts to fade.


I think most people here base their opinions on how great he is in Madden. I seriously do. I remember last offseason people compared him to Reggie White. Smh....
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peppers is a beast. he still the nummber one defensive end in my book. Osi has the benefit of Micheal Strahan on the other sidae and he can't get doubled as much. I still belive peppers is the best defensive player in the game as of now.
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peppers is a beast. he still the nummber one defensive end in my book. Osi has the benefit of Micheal Strahan on the other sidae and he can't get doubled as much. I still belive peppers is the best defensive player in the game as of now.
No way. Urlacher is the best defensive player in the game hands down. I'd also put Champ Bailey ahead of Peppers.
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No way. Urlacher is the best defensive player in the game hands down. I'd also put Champ Bailey ahead of Peppers.
you could make a case for all three. But if i caould choose any defensive player right now to make a team, i would take Peppers. Peppers can straight take over the trenches.
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Id take Shawne Merriman, if he can sustain his dominance after being off roids.
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Peppers is so overrated and is a prime example of fans falling in love with measurables.
You could say the same thing about Giants fans and Osi.
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you could make a case for all three. But if i caould choose any defensive player right now to make a team, i would take Peppers. Peppers can straight take over the trenches.
He also straight dissapears from his share of games. Something Urlacher never does. And when Bailey disspears from a game, it actually can be considered a good thing.
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Your ignorance may be your only saving grace as it is not possible for a person to watch both players to compare their athletic talents and honestly say Will Smith deserves a cough besides Julius Peppers name being mentioned.
It would do you well to actually read this thread before responding. I was merely using the same sort of statistics that the previous poster had used. Its time for you to calm down and read.
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You could say the same thing about Giants fans and Osi.
Not true. Osi's measurables really aren't anything to write home about, they are above average, yes, but nothing close to that of Peppers. Osi gets the most out of his size/speed/strength but Peppers doesn't.
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I'll take Umenyiora. And I'll just ignore all of this talk of Osi being better than Peppers.
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Id take Shawne Merriman, if he can sustain his dominance after being off roids.
I would have to agree. When you are getting compared to LT(The real LT) then you are a force to be reckoned with.
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Yea like BBD said, if Merriman can improve coverage wise he can go down as a all time great.
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Peppers is so overrated and is a prime example of fans falling in love with measurables. If he played up to the caliber of his athleticism than he would be a beast, but he simply doesn't.
His measurables weren't all that rediculously amazing considering he plays faster and stronger than he has been recorded at on paper. If you watched him play for more than one or two games a season you'd know that.

He's got the ability to take over a game and has done so in the past. He sees a double team on every play, if he's not double teamed he's chipped at the line or he's held, every play he's one on one and the lineman doesn't decide to cheat he's reaching the quarterback.

You might not know this, but every officiating crew in the NFL has a brief written about them, so that coaches can instruct their players on certain things, like "these guys aren't big on holding penalties" or "these guys never miss a false start" so they know when they can hold or not, more often than not, when a refereeing crew is known to allowing holding Peppers just about gets bear hugged. I take notes when I watch games, because I write for panthershuddle. When I do, about half the snaps I watch Peppers, almost all of them will have a h, or a dt, for holding or double team.

Osi rarely sees the double team, same with Will Smith because of the players they have on their other side and the fact that they're on the weak side.

Face it, what we're comparing here, is a player who's given 100% of the offensive protection schemes attention during games because he's so damn good and the player on his other side is around the league average and two guys who've got better defensive ends on the other end of their defensive line and see a lot less double team blocks...

Peppers has better stats than them both despite receiving the attention he does and being on the other side, the more watched and schemed for side...

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Thats my main issue with him. He should be better than he is. If he doesn't work on that technique, he'll have a poor 2nd half of his career when that athleticism starts to fade.
I think most people here base their opinions on how great he is in Madden. I seriously do. I remember last offseason people compared him to Reggie White. Smh....
See the above, he does play up to his athleticism he flat out takes over games, did you happen to see carolina vs cleveland last year? Or his performance against Minnesota?

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If he decides to stop using anabolic steroids.
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i see Merriman as almost like Bonds(definately not that much and not really comparing,just hear me out) Merriman has obvious talent, i dont like the guy but admit it. Bonds had some talent(not as much as Shawne) but still some talent in Pit. But then he broke records, but the steroids cloud puts an * next to his name. I feel the same thing will happen to Shawne.

oh, and he's not the next LT at all. LT changed the game of football and is the best defensive player of all time
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