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Who is the most overated player on the Eagles, and most underated?
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Overated: Jevon Kearse


Underated: Jamal Jackson
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Good topic, Lito. I dig.

Overrated: Trotter--I said this last year. He's just not very good anymore.

Underrated: Considine--I'm not saying he's good, but people treat him like an organizational pariah, when he's a passable safety. I want to give him another season.
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Overrated: Hank Baskett I like the guy, but one play and people are forgetting he isn't that good. LJ Smith. Could he be a worse blocker?

Underrated: Jason Avant. Sure, he isn't very fast. But once he gets more time he will prove to be a very good 3rd receiver with good hands.
Jamaal Jackson is another one who flies under the radar.
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Overrated - Trotter, not much left in the tank.
Underrated - J. Jackson, he was probably our 2nd best OL last year, and that's saying something.
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Overrated Trot
Underrated Considine (remember he got the job from michael lewis whom many of you like, and above Q, who it has been known for a while the eagles really like, he is going to be a great fit at SS this yera with the beefed up LB core.)
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Good topic, Lito. I dig.

Overrated: Trotter--I said this last year. He's just not very good anymore.

Underrated: Considine--I'm not saying he's good, but people treat him like an organizational pariah, when he's a passable safety. I want to give him another season.
I agree with both. But I will say that Considine is good. I have been looking at some of last year's games, and he only played poorly in two regular season games and the game in the playoffs against the Saints, and even in that one he wasn't horrible, he just got run over a few times, and it will happen when you are facing a guy like the Saints have. (Can't remember his name right now, but I know its up there somewhere.) He didn't give up one passing TD all season, and that is saying something. Once he makes the switch to FS, he will be a very good FS.
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Deuce Mcallister

Overated-LJ Smith
-he can't block and a TE should be great in our kinda offense and hes OK

Underated-Jon Runyan
-people said that he was getting pushed out and if we got LeCharles Bentley he wouldn't be an eagle but he is still very good (he man-handled Peppers last year)
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Deuce Mcallister

Overated-LJ Smith
-he can't block and a TE should be great in our kinda offense and hes OK

Underated-Jon Runyan
-people said that he was getting pushed out and if we got LeCharles Bentley he wouldn't be an eagle but he is still very good (he man-handled Peppers last year)
Runyan was holding Peppers and cheating all game. But that's why he's good he's a vet and knows how to do that without being blatantly obvious and gets away with it. That's what I love about Runyan.

Overrated: Trotter he's the only choice here IMO.
Underrated: Jamaal Jackson he doesn't get nearly enough respect, I think he's the best center in our division.
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Trotter. Good at some things, really bad at others.

But my team has a linebacker with the same problem.
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His Mike Mumula like production in philadelphia?

To be honest with you i think kearse does well and individual defensive statistics are overrated *for example i think he played great in 2004 dispite not having the greatest of numbers, the team was getting a ton of sacks and he can be credited for getting pressure helping colaspe the pocket etc. But he has a very good case for labeling him as overrated
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Overrated: Trotter he's the only choice here IMO.
Underrated: Jamaal Jackson he doesn't get nearly enough respect, I think he's the best center in our division.
He is easily the best center in the division, and may develop further into a Pro-Bowler.
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Overrated: Hank Baskett I like the guy, but one play and people are forgetting he isn't that good. LJ Smith. Could he be a worse blocker?

Underrated: Jason Avant. Sure, he isn't very fast. But once he gets more time he will prove to be a very good 3rd receiver with good hands.
Jamaal Jackson is another one who flies under the radar.
He didn't just have on big play dude he contributed in many games and had 2 200 yard recieving games i think? I'm prolly wrong on that but he was in hundreds in 2 games..every game that he caught more then 3 passes he had over a hundred yards..
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Good topic, Lito. I dig.

Overrated: Trotter--I said this last year. He's just not very good anymore.

Underrated: Considine--I'm not saying he's good, but people treat him like an organizational pariah, when he's a passable safety. I want to give him another season.
Well I'll say he's good, he is, he had a good year and didn't give up alot of big plays..it seems like once he got ran over (Only happened once) then he suddenly got labeled as sucking..(Deuce ran him over)..
IMO he has good coverge skills and really improved tackling twoards the end of the season.

Also Jamal Jackson was snubbed out of the pro bowl this year, I belive he blocks much better in zone coverge then Hank Fraley as well correct?
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He didn't just have on big play dude he contributed in many games and had 2 200 yard recieving games i think? I'm prolly wrong on that but he was in hundreds in 2 games..every game that he caught more then 3 passes he had over a hundred yards..
He had 2 hundred yard games. 3/112/1 vs. Dallas in the 38-24 win, and 7/177/1 vs. the Falcons in the last game of the year. Your 3 reception point is accurate, but he's gotta get open more consistently
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Look at Kearse's numbers. Look at his salary. Look at his age and the fact that he's coming off knee surgery. He's overrated right now until he helps the Eagles get a 5-6 sack game against Green Bay in Week 1.
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Baskett is a good secondary and 3/4 WR package guy, but he's not a full time starter in the NFL yet. I love that he's on my team, and he's made some great plays, but the guy has a lot of room to get better. I don't know if he's overrated. I think he's rated properly. No one is clammoring for him to be the #1, and no one expects more than 40-45 catches next season.
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Have people overrated Hank? i was not aware. He is full of potential now, and he should be a solid 3 and of course his physical skills can project to a #1 but i dont think anybody is expecting 1000 yards out of the guy. The only rookie WR to come in and have better #'s than the undrafted Hank Baskett was Reggie Brown... so make what you want of it.
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Underrated- DONOVAN MCNABB

This guy is still a pro-bowl QB who can make every single throw on the feild. He better stay atleast 3-4 more years baring injury. I don't know why some of you guys want him out. C'mon.
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How is Kearse overrated when no one thinks his game was what it used to be. I thought overrated meant people hype him all the time.(Thats not happen'n) I think he's underrated. Look at our D the first few games. Tell me he's not a playmaker. Overrated is Cole. Basically a one way player. Please dont argue with this. Even he claims he's a pass rusher
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How is Kearse overrated when no one thinks his game was what it used to be. I thought overrated meant people hype him all the time.(Thats not happen'n) I think he's underrated. Look at our D the first few games. Tell me he's not a playmaker. Overrated is Cole. Basically a one way player. Please dont argue with this. Even he claims he's a pass rusher
You make an excellent point about Cole. I will admit that his contract extension is a perfect fit for a situational pass rusher. I think he's a poor man's Derrick Burgess.
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This guy is still a pro-bowl QB who can make every single throw on the feild. He better stay atleast 3-4 more years baring injury. I don't know why some of you guys want him out. C'mon.
I don't think anyone is calling for McNabb to be out of a job or out of Philly. We're looking at reality. McNabb is 31 and has finished 3 of the last 5 seasons on IR. He's coming off his most serious injury yet. Most people aren't pushing McNabb out the door, but the idea that there could be continuity and limited growing pains when McNabb is done is a comforting thought.
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True, but some eagle fans on this board are already calling for it to happen.
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Well I'll say he's good, he is, he had a good year and didn't give up alot of big plays..it seems like once he got ran over (Only happened once) then he suddenly got labeled as sucking..(Deuce ran him over)..
IMO he has good coverge skills and really improved tackling twoards the end of the season.

Also Jamal Jackson was snubbed out of the pro bowl this year, I belive he blocks much better in zone coverge then Hank Fraley as well correct?
It's not that Considine gets run over all the time. His tackling ability does need work, but he doesn't take it to the RB quickly enough. Considine doesn't stuff the run at the LOS like Lewis was able to, hopefully this will change now that Considine has more experience he will diagnose run plays more quickly.
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