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Old 05-16-2007, 08:01 PM    (permalink
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Leave it up to you to stick up for Tank Johnson. LAWL :D
I'm not sticking up for Tank. I think we should cut Tank. But what he's done is nowhere near as damaging to the reputation of the league as what Pac-Man has done.

Tank had a bunch of guns in his house.

Pac-Man hit a women, bit a cop, and has about 20 other felony charges to his name.

It's not even comparable.
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a statement like that means youre nothing less than an ignorant moron.
That's already a well-established fact.
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The NFL needs to rid of these thugs. They need extensive background checks, and should not allow any repeat offenders or felons to play in the league. To play in the NFL is a privelege, not a right. Kids look up to NFL players. Thugs like Tank Johnson, Chris Henry, Pacman Jones, and Mike Vick are a disgrace!
Do you expect everybody to live up to your morals, or just NFL players?
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Tank doesn't have any felonies, he went to jail for violating probation, which he received on misdemeanor charges.
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This is INSANE, if a regular person ordered a hit on a guy like Pac Man did, he would be in JAIL, not suing his employer for suspending him.
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I'm not sticking up for Tank. I think we should cut Tank. But what he's done is nowhere near as damaging to the reputation of the league as what Pac-Man has done.

Tank had a bunch of guns in his house.

Pac-Man hit a women, bit a cop, and has about 20 other felony charges to his name.

It's not even comparable.
When those are convictions, I will be all for throwing Pacman out of the league. I completely understand the NFL is a private employer and has no obligation to allow him to play. I just think it sets a bad precedent.

What about all the people who have hit their wives/girlfriends, suspend them all too. Randy Moss hit a cop with a car, suspend his ass. I'm not defending what Pacman allegedly did. I am saying that you have to be consistent with your punishments.

If you want to base punishments on who has hurt the league most, Merriman deserves to be suspended indefinitely. It isn't known how involved Pacman was with the shooting, if it comes up that he had anything to do with it, then kick him out of the league. As far as anyone knows, his friend did it without him knowing, kinda like DH in Playmakers.
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Old 05-16-2007, 09:38 PM    (permalink
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This is INSANE, if a regular person ordered a hit on a guy like Pac Man did, he would be in JAIL, not suing his employer for suspending him.
This is INSANE, if a regular person was charged with ordering a hit on a guy like PacMan is being charged with, he would be innocent until proven guilty, not being crucified by people who know nothing of the case.

Until more comes out, you can't say he is guilty.
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This is INSANE, if a regular person was charged with ordering a hit on a guy like PacMan is being charged with, he would be innocent until proven guilty, not being crucified by people who know nothing of the case.

Until more comes out, you can't say he is guilty.
Sure he would. People get fired for being charged with crimes all the time. Welcome to the real world.

As for your previous post, you're comparing offenses that occured under Tagliabue with those happening now. It's a new commish..it's a new conduct policy..it's an entirely different case. Tags, even if he wanted to, couldn't have been as harsh on people like Moss becuase he didn't have the backup to do it. So your comparison doesn't hold water.
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Pac-Man does have some grounds to fight this on. What is happening with him is unconstitutional. Ex Post Facto. He was involved in these altercations before the league behavior policy was in place. They established the behavior policy afterwards and then punished him for being "involved" in several incidents, that since he was not found guilty, were not against the rules. But I don't know how much that would effect the NFL they can suspend whoever they want and there is little anyone can do about it. I doubt Pac-Man gets anywhere with this but he does have a case.
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For everyone who says Pacman hasnt been convicted of anything etc, remember that doesn't stop employers from firing employees in any other line of work.

Had Pacman been a mailman instead of a CB, he wouldnt been fired 10 felonies ago. You don't have to be convicted to get fired. Thats how the real world operates.
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Sure he would. People get fired for being charged with crimes all the time. Welcome to the real world.

As for your previous post, you're comparing offenses that occured under Tagliabue with those happening now. It's a new commish..it's a new conduct policy..it's an entirely different case. Tags, even if he wanted to, couldn't have been as harsh on people like Moss becuase he didn't have the backup to do it. So your comparison doesn't hold water.
The fact that he has been accused of so many crimes and has been involved in so many incidents it's pretty safe to say he has done something illegal even if the courts can't prove it.
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Pac-Man does have some grounds to fight this on. What is happening with him is unconstitutional. Ex Post Facto. He was involved in these altercations before the league behavior policy was in place. They established the behavior policy afterwards and then punished him for being "involved" in several incidents, that since he was not found guilty, were not against the rules. But I don't know how much that would effect the NFL they can suspend whoever they want and there is little anyone can do about it. I doubt Pac-Man gets anywhere with this but he does have a case.
Eh...the bolded part there is your answer. If it were a legal system maybe he would have grounds to fight on...but its not its a business. And as long as they aren't discriminating they can pretty much do whatever the hell they want.
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Sure he would. People get fired for being charged with crimes all the time. Welcome to the real world.

As for your previous post, you're comparing offenses that occured under Tagliabue with those happening now. It's a new commish..it's a new conduct policy..it's an entirely different case. Tags, even if he wanted to, couldn't have been as harsh on people like Moss becuase he didn't have the backup to do it. So your comparison doesn't hold water.
What I said had nothing to do with him getting in trouble. It was the fact that that guy said he was getting treated different by the police. I was just pointing out the fact that he is getting treated different by every, both not having been charged, and already being seen as guilty by most people.
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For everyone who says Pacman hasnt been convicted of anything etc, remember that doesn't stop employers from firing employees in any other line of work.

Had Pacman been a mailman instead of a CB, he wouldnt been fired 10 felonies ago. You don't have to be convicted to get fired. Thats how the real world operates.
The only thing I am saying is to be consistent, it sets a bad precedent to arbitrarily dish out punishments. The NFL has every right to ban him from the league if they so choose. However, if it isn't kept consistent, he does have a case. He wouldn't get reinstated, but he might win a large award due to discrimination. It is unlikely, but possible.

All I ask is to keep consistent with everyone in the league.
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Pac-Man does have some grounds to fight this on. What is happening with him is unconstitutional. Ex Post Facto. He was involved in these altercations before the league behavior policy was in place. They established the behavior policy afterwards and then punished him for being "involved" in several incidents, that since he was not found guilty, were not against the rules. But I don't know how much that would effect the NFL they can suspend whoever they want and there is little anyone can do about it. I doubt Pac-Man gets anywhere with this but he does have a case.
This is not a consitutional issue.

And he committed violations both before and after the policy, unlike Tank who only commited them under the old one.
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being accused alot is not as bad as actually being arrested, tank deserves a year just like pac

if he doesnt get it im gonna be pissed, and i hope he does sue
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They could punish him just the same even by the old rules. The new rules are more strict, but the old rules state the commish can do whatever he wants for the better of the league, and this falls under that category, therefore its in the old rules.
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The Federal Courts (especially the Supreme Courts) generally side with businesses. PacMan has little chance of winning.

He still doesn't get it.
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Pac-Man does have some grounds to fight this on. What is happening with him is unconstitutional. Ex Post Facto. He was involved in these altercations before the league behavior policy was in place. They established the behavior policy afterwards and then punished him for being "involved" in several incidents, that since he was not found guilty, were not against the rules. But I don't know how much that would effect the NFL they can suspend whoever they want and there is little anyone can do about it. I doubt Pac-Man gets anywhere with this but he does have a case.
There is no state action here so there is no constitutional issue involved.

This guy is a complete moron and is clearly a slave to the impulses and influence of those around him. Talking heads giving their "legal analysis" is laughable at best and engaging in the unlawful practice of law at worst. The likelihood that Pac-Man will end up with anything other than a lot less money is slim...like Olsen twins slim.
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This is a union issue, not a courtroom issue. Different treatment of equal workers is something that needs to be resolved between management and the union. Suing does no one any good.
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This is a union issue, not a courtroom issue. Different treatment of equal workers is something that needs to be resolved between management and the union. Suing does no one any good.
I guess the most likely thing would be the Union suing the league, thats what I was talking about anyway. Pacman can't sue himself if he is a member of the Players Union, which I am sure he is.
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The fact that he has been accused of so many crimes and has been involved in so many incidents it's pretty safe to say he has done something illegal even if the courts can't prove it.
I'm glad you're not in charge of justice.
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I don't think the Player's Union will sue the NFL, but I do think that Pacman can sue once the grievance process is complete. He has to go internal first before checking out external options. The NFLPA agreed to the tougher standards and asked for them from the commish. They also allowed him to wield all of the power in this matter. Stupid on their part.
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