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Old 05-18-2007, 12:05 AM    (permalink
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would you want a bunch of skanky ass drug addict whores hanging out in front of your house waiting to be picked up?
That is the way it currently is. If it were regulated, it would be isolated to designated establishments. Like casinos for gambling. You don't see dudes playing craps out in the street when you walk the Vegas strip.

Legalizing prostitution would effectively eliminate the black market. There would be no reason for skanky hookers to hang out in front of your house because there would be no john to solicit her.
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How did I contradict myself? If it were legal everywhere, any chick could do it and not have to worry about getting busted. If it remains the way it is in Vegas the difference would be that a customer soliciting an illegal hooker would be assuming the risk that she could have an STD, so it would be the customers own damn fault for being stupid.
Make it legal and reduce crime, wow, thats brilliant; lets make murder, drugs, and rape legal too, that will reduce crime as well. As for isolating it to defined areas so it can be controlled, that is kinda what its like in Vegas, so I guess we agree on that part.
Just to clarify for several people in this thread, prostitution isn't legal in Las Vegas. There are just tons of loopholes and it isn't enforced at all. I like Duckseason's Prohibition analogy, Las Vegas for prostitution today is like the Chicago of Prohibition times.
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That is the way it currently is. If it were regulated, it would be isolated to designated establishments. Like casinos for gambling. You don't see dudes playing craps out in the street when you walk the Vegas strip.

Legalizing prostitution would effectively eliminate the black market. There would be no reason for skanky hookers to hang out in front of your house because there would be no john to solicit her.
Yea but then you would have pimps going out looking for girls to pimp out. Would you want your girlfriend or sister to be asked to be a prostitute?


Plus the demand for prostitution is most definitly elastic. Meaning that if you legalize prostitution, it is going to be much more prevalent. Your going to have guys going to a prostitute, like guys go to strip clubs for the 18th and stuff. and thats not right.


Sex isnt supposed to be something you pay for. thats the bottom line.
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Yea but then you would have pimps going out looking for girls to pimp out. Would you want your girlfriend or sister to be asked to be a prostitute?


Plus the demand for prostitution is most definitly elastic. Meaning that if you legalize prostitution, it is going to be much more prevalent. Your going to have guys going to a prostitute, like guys go to strip clubs for the 18th and stuff. and thats not right.


Sex isnt supposed to be something you pay for. thats the bottom line.
If you own your body shouldn't you be allowed to sell it? :p As interesting as your moral code is, you can't impose that on everyone. Legalizing prostitution would make prostitution as a whole safer.

Anyway wouldn't legalizing the profession increase the number of women who would choose to work as a prostitute, so why would pimps need to find more?
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Yea but then you would have pimps going out looking for girls to pimp out. Would you want your girlfriend or sister to be asked to be a prostitute?
No. Again, that is how it already is with the current legal climate. You wouldn't have pimps. You'd have establishments such as the bunny rancgh that would be tightly regulated. Much in the same manner of liquor stores or casinos. Try opening an underground casino in Vegas. See how many people show up. I already said this. The bottom line is that legalization would effectively eliminate the current black market.

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Plus the demand for prostitution is most definitly elastic. Meaning that if you legalize prostitution, it is going to be much more prevalent. Your going to have guys going to a prostitute, like guys go to strip clubs for the 18th and stuff. and thats not right.
The desire for sex is a fact of life. Some lames will always feel the need to pay for it, but I doubt legalization will alter the demand much at all. And just because you don't think it's right doesn't mean the guy paying for it agrees with you. It's really none of your business what another man chooses to spend his money on.

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Sex isnt supposed to be something you pay for. thats the bottom line.
Well, all I can say is get used to it. It's been going on throughout the history of humanity. Nobody said the world was an ideal place.
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Yeah bud. Read that last sentence. Where is prostitution legal? Parts of Nevada. So look at how it's done there to find out what it would be like if it were legal everywhere. You're contradicting yourself by saying that if it were legal there would be all these STD problems and any girl could be a prostitute and all that, while in the next breath you make mention of the great way it's handled in the only place it's legal in the U.S.

You don't see that?
I beleive in Vegas prostitution is only legal (or as someone pointed out its not inforced) at specific places (like brothels) while hookers that walk the streets are illegal. As I have said all along, that is fine with me. But if it were legal for hookers to work the streets, then any chick could do it because it would be damn near impossible to regulate. How is that contradicting myself?
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Please explain to me how any girl can't just go out and be a prostitute as it is. Then explain to me why the crime rate wouldn't drop if it became legal. Think of all the prostitutes who have been murdered over the years. The ones who have been raped or stolen from. Don't you think they might have benefited from the security that comes with an establishment such as the bunny ranch? Don't you think that street hookers would disappear if johns had the option to go to a place that were legal and much safer? You prohibit alcohol, and people make dirty batches in their tubs and risk getting sick. Crime goes up. Same concept with prostitution. There will always be an enormous market for sex. So why not regulate it and provide a safe environment? Because morals confuse people and logic is rare.
Any girl can be a prostitute now, but they have to worry about getting arrested (that's called a deterrent). As far as the crime rate dropping by making it legal, that would just be sweeping the problem under the rug. People sell drugs on corners as well, should we make that legal so we can say we reduced crime? It might reduce crime, but it wouldn't solve the problem because street hookers and drug dealers would still exist, the only difference would be that the they wouldn't have to worry about getting busted.
Once again, we seem to agree on the whole 'bunny ranch' type establishments that allow prostitution to be regulated.

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Stash, just reread my posts. You seem to be missing a lot of what I'm saying. I don't feel like repeating myself.
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w/e. Duckseason you do realize the prostitutes are usually ugly as hell though right?

I mean im no expert on the matter, but I would imagine that the ho's that work the streets now wouldnt get picked up by a brothel cause they are pretty nasty most of the time from what I gather.

so there would still be prostitution i think.


I think legalizing prostitution is just a bad idea.
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I'm tired of repeating myself as well, but I think your missing what I'm saying.
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w/e. Duckseason you do realize the prostitutes are usually ugly as hell though right?

I mean im no expert on the matter, but I would imagine that the ho's that work the streets now wouldnt get picked up by a brothel cause they are pretty nasty most of the time from what I gather.

so there would still be prostitution i think.


I think legalizing prostitution is just a bad idea.
WTF are you talking about? Women come in all shapes and sizes. That has nothing to do with it. I think the key point that you're missing is that THERE WOULD BE NO MARKET FOR STREET PROSTITUTION IF IT WERE REGULATED BY THE STATE. Those ugly girls you're talking about would have no place to sell their "wares." And neither would any girls with STD's. Also, if prostitution were legal, I'm positive that it would require a license. Selling yourself on the street would be just as illegal as trying to sell prescription drugs on the street. That market would die instantly. How have I not yet made this clear?
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I'm tired of repeating myself as well, but I think your missing what I'm saying.
Not at all, my friend. You're just confused.
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Not at all, my friend. You're just confused.
LMAO, I'm glad you're so sure of yourself.
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Yea but then you would have pimps going out looking for girls to pimp out. Would you want your girlfriend or sister to be asked to be a prostitute?


Plus the demand for prostitution is most definitly elastic. Meaning that if you legalize prostitution, it is going to be much more prevalent. Your going to have guys going to a prostitute, like guys go to strip clubs for the 18th and stuff. and thats not right.


Sex isnt supposed to be something you pay for. thats the bottom line.
Thats why there's laws and regulations once it's legalized. You make girls get tested monthly, condom's, all that sort of stuff (physicals).

You have it in a confined area, ok'd with Zoning laws. (IE not within a 15 mile reach of a school, church or library).

You basically can't advertise (You can't advertise for sex toy shops).. you don't see someone coming to a high school asking girls or guys to work at a porn shop.

As for you not wanting to see your sister do it. Yea, but thats why you raise your kids better. How often do you hear about girls going to New York or California to become actresses/Singers/Stars and end up working at a Strip Club.... they're basically selling their body there. If they're going to do it, you can't stop them.

I think it'll be safer regulated, more out of the public eye (I mean come on, anyone who's been to Vegas knows they hand out baseball card size advertisements of naked girls with a # to call, (Usually guys walking around with a back-pack at night).. and if not them, there's usually some old Newspaper lockers (Those ones you put .50 cents in for a paper), that are unlocked and have magazines (Basically sex ads).

With it regulated, there would be less advertising (Laws).

I'm sure the taxes would be a nice addition in Washington.

As for "Ugly ass Ho's" my dad grabbed one of those Sex Ads Books, and I looked through it. 90% of the girls are good looking UNLV chicks.

Thats all I thought of for now.
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Me too. I guess I have my accurate perception of reality to thank for that.
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Me too. I guess I have my accurate perception of reality to thank for that.
Accurate like Chuck Knoblauch :)
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Haha. Nice. I remember that too. Dude was throwin balls into the stands from 2nd base. I think Greg Maddux would be a more fitting comparison though.
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Any girl can be a prostitute now, but they have to worry about getting arrested (that's called a deterrent). As far as the crime rate dropping by making it legal, that would just be sweeping the problem under the rug. People sell drugs on corners as well, should we make that legal so we can say we reduced crime? It might reduce crime, but it wouldn't solve the problem because street hookers and drug dealers would still exist, the only difference would be that the they wouldn't have to worry about getting busted.
Once again, we seem to agree on the whole 'bunny ranch' type establishments that allow prostitution to be regulated.
It is not sweeping it under the rug. You are speaking about the ehtical nature of prostitution and not its consequences.

No street walkers would exist anymore because the market for them would totally drop of into nothing. Why would any man not go to a private clean place instead of a possible crime. Let alone the laws against streetwalking that would occur the market would drop and so money could not be made.

I'm sure your argument is that Vegas still has street walkers and it is legal around it. But that is because the culture has not changed at all and so people do not understand, as shown by this thread, what is and is not safe and available.

And with drugs, many deaths actually could be avoided if it was legalized. There would not be many fake chemicals in drugs that cause alot of people to get poisoned as well probably dropping prices for the drugs and possibly reducing the want for drugs since they are available. but that is another argument far from this one.
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The really funny part is that after all those posts I think we actually agreed on more than you think.
I guess that's possible. But you didn't show it. I really don't agree with much of what you said at all. No hard feelings though. I think that if prostitution became legal today, you'd soon realize that you agree with every single thing I said. Your illogical conclusions regarding the impact of legalized prostitution is where I really butt heads with you.
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why do you guys have such long and drawn out arguments in favor of making it legal?

cant get the ladies without paying?
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Old 05-18-2007, 01:23 AM    (permalink
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It is not sweeping it under the rug. You are speaking about the ehtical nature of prostitution and not its consequences.
Making it legal would be sweeping it under the rug because it would be like the govt saying we can't stop prostitution, lets just make it legal so we don't have to worry about it.

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No street walkers would exist anymore because the market for them would totally drop of into nothing. Why would any man not go to a private clean place instead of a possible crime. Let alone the laws against streetwalking that would occur the market would drop and so money could not be made.

I'm sure your argument is that Vegas still has street walkers and it is legal around it. But that is because the culture has not changed at all and so people do not understand, as shown by this thread, what is and is not safe and available.
Yep, that is my argument.

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And with drugs, many deaths actually could be avoided if it was legalized. There would not be many fake chemicals in drugs that cause alot of people to get poisoned as well probably dropping prices for the drugs and possibly reducing the want for drugs since they are available. but that is another argument far from this one.
I agree that drug legalization is a whole new discussion that I don't really want to get into, but my drug analogy was simply meant to tie in with the whole 'sweeping the issue under the rug' idea, nothing more.
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I guess that's possible. But you didn't show it. I really don't agree with much of what you said at all. No hard feelings though. I think that if prostitution became legal today, you'd soon realize that you agree with every single thing I said. Your illogical conclusions regarding the impact of legalized prostitution is where I really butt heads with you.
The part that I thought we agreed on was that places like the Bunny Ranch were ok because they can be regulated easily. I think you misunderstood me is when I was trying to point out the differences between brothels like that and prostitutes roaming the street.
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why do you guys have such long and drawn out arguments in favor of making it legal?

cant get the ladies without paying?
yes the reasonable reasons i have for making it legal is because of lack of success with women. I'm glad you jump to personal attacks because you have no base on which to counter with.

GRF, you are the sorriest excuse for a human being. I don't think I have seen a rational thought shown on this entire board. You quickly make retorts that either go for personal attacks or an argument that makes no sense.

I make long detailed arguments because it is what you do when making an argument. You can not simply say one line because then you look stupid, ala you.
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why do you guys have such long and drawn out arguments in favor of making it legal?

cant get the ladies without paying?
That is a childish thing to say. I never have and never will pay for sex. I've never been the type to waste my money. I am merely an advocate of our natural rights as human beings, and logic. It makes absolutely no sense to keep prostitution illegal. It creates many unnecessary problems for us as a society, and I don't believe that it's my place to say what a woman can and can't do with her own body.

And I don't feel the need to boast about my ability to attract females, so that bait will remain on your line.
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The part that I thought we agreed on was that places like the Bunny Ranch were ok because they can be regulated easily. I think you misunderstood me is when I was trying to point out the differences between brothels like that and prostitutes roaming the street.
Right. Which is where the whole contradiction thing comes in. Which is why I absolutely disagree with you. I understand the differences between street prostitution and brothels. It's the exact same difference between illegal and legal. Which is the part that you seem to be confused about.
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