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Old 05-18-2007, 10:39 PM    (permalink
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I can't wait until madden puts in the "will your team to victory" rating, Young will definitely have a 100.
I can't wait for Madden to put in the "get the wrong quarterback" rating for teams in franchise mode. Miami will have 100 without a doubt.
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But the point is, Rex brought nothing to the team. At all.
Except for the fact that he won a game in Minnesota, picked up the defense in St. Louis, and helped out the defense against Seattle in the playoffs.

Sure the defense picked him up some games this year, but he also helped them out as well.
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Here they are by career passer rating. Obviously its not everything and some guys will be improving while others will be receding but it gives a general idea to how productive they have been thus far in their career.

1. Tony Romo 95.1
2. Peyton Manning 94.4
3. Carson Palmer 91.5
4. Marc Bulger 91.3
5. Philip Rivers 90.5
6. Chad Pennington 89.3
7. Jay Cutler 88.5
8. Tom Brady 88.4
9. Ben Roethlisberger 87.9
10. Drew Brees 87.5
11. Trent Green 87.5
12. Jeff Garcia 86.4
13. Damon Huard 85.2
14. Donovan McNabb 85.1
15. Matt Hasselbeck 85.1
16. Jake Delhomme 84
17. Steve McNair 83.2
18. Byron Leftwich 80.5
19. JP Losman 77.4
20. Jason Campbell 76.5
21. Jon Kitna 76.1
22. Michael Vick 75.5
23. Matt Leinart 74
24. Eli Manning 73.2
25. Brett Favre 72.7
26. Rex Grossman 72.4
27. Charlie Frye 72.2
28. Josh McCown 72.1
29. Matt Schaub 69.2
30. Vince Young 66.7
31. Alex Smith 65.5
32. Tavaris Jackson 62.5
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Yes, finally proof that Cutler is better than Brady! Lol.
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Here they are by career passer rating. Obviously its not everything and some guys will be improving while others will be receding but it gives a general idea to how productive they have been thus far in their career.

1. Tony Romo 95.1
2. Peyton Manning 94.4
3. Carson Palmer 91.5
4. Marc Bulger 91.3
5. Philip Rivers 90.5
6. Chad Pennington 89.3
7. Jay Cutler 88.5
8. Tom Brady 88.4
9. Ben Roethlisberger 87.9
10. Drew Brees 87.5
11. Trent Green 87.5
12. Jeff Garcia 86.4
13. Damon Huard 85.2
14. Donovan McNabb 85.1
15. Matt Hasselbeck 85.1
16. Jake Delhomme 84
17. Steve McNair 83.2
18. Byron Leftwich 80.5
19. JP Losman 77.4
20. Jason Campbell 76.5
21. Jon Kitna 76.1
22. Michael Vick 75.5
23. Matt Leinart 74
24. Eli Manning 73.2
25. Brett Favre 72.7
26. Rex Grossman 72.4
27. Charlie Frye 72.2
28. Josh McCown 72.1
29. Matt Schaub 69.2
30. Vince Young 66.7
31. Alex Smith 65.5
32. Tavaris Jackson 62.5
QB rating is a pretty bad stat. it favors certain types of QBs. Dink and dunk/WCO offenses get rewarded way too much.
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Any system that rewards David Carr, for his play last year, is a worthless measurement of a QB's play.
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Any system that rewards David Carr, for his play last year, is a worthless measurement of a QB's play.
indeed. There are people who just look at QB rating and think David Carr is good. Theres a lot of them here none the less.
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Jake Delhomme is way, way, way underrated right around the league, people forget how good he is in the postseason and when he's got a decent running game.
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Except for the fact that he won a game in Minnesota, picked up the defense in St. Louis, and helped out the defense against Seattle in the playoffs.

Sure the defense picked him up some games this year, but he also helped them out as well.
Sweetness, Rexy sucks. Give it a rest.
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Chris Simms is the friggin' Bucs starter!

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Vince Young should be in the 20's, and the first bunch looks good, after that is iffy.
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Vince Young should be in the 20's, and the first bunch looks good, after that is iffy.
Let me know when another rookie quarterback leads a team with the leagues worst defense to an 8-8 record. If that isn't impressive then I don't know what is.
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1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Carson Palmer
4. Drew Brees
5. Donovan McNabb
6. Marc Bulger
7. Philip Rivers
8. Ben Roethlesberger
9. Matt Hasselbeck
10. Chad Pennington
11. Steve McNair
12. Brett Favre
13. Tony Romo
14. Jake Delhomme
15. Trent Green
16. Mike Vick
17. J.P. Losman
18. Eli Manning
19. Matt Lienart
20. Jay Cutler
21. Vince Young
22. Alex Smith
23. Byron Leftwhitch
24. John Kitna
25. Matt Schaub
26. Damon Huard
27. Rex Grossman
28. Jeff Garcia
29. Josh McCown
30. Tavarious Jackson
31. Jason Campbell
32. Charlie Fyre

John Kitna isn't god but he is castly underated....how do some of you have Josh McCown ahead of John when Josh was behind John on the depth chart...
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Hooray for Tarvaris Jackson not being last!
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I really don't see what Philip Rivers has done to be ahead of McNabb but whatever.
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Is this a joke?
It's not a joke, Acreboy likes to make ridiculous claims to get people's attention. It used to annoy me to no end; now, I tend to just ignore him.

All in one day, he's said:
- Palmer over McNabb is laughable (maybe debatable, but certainly not laughable)
- Jammal Brown is very overrated (even though he was a first team All-Pro in his first season at LT and Marcus McNeill still gets way more attention)
- Nick Saban is a terrible college recruiter (Ugh... just, ugh...)
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nothing....they are just homers & morons
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TPFKA, I looked back on my list and realized you're right. Thus, my list is slightly changed. Again, any feedback is welcome:

GREAT

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Carson Palmer
4. Drew Brees
5. Donovan McNabb

GOOD

6. Marc Bulger
7. Philip Rivers
8. Ben Roethlesberger
9. Matt Hasselbeck
10. Chad Pennington

AVERAGE

11. Jay Cutler
12. Tony Romo
13. Steve McNair
14. Vince Young
15. Matt Leinart
16. Trent Green
17. Eli Manning
18. Jeff Garcia
19. Brett Favre
20. Mike Vick
21. Byron Leftwich
22. Alex Smith
23. J.P. Losman

POOR

24. Jake Delhomme
25. Damon Huard
26. Rex Grossman
27. Josh McCown

BAD (should be a backup QB)

28. Jason Campbell
29. John Kitna
30. Matt Schaub
31. Tavaris Jackson
32. Charlie Frye
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TPFKA, I looked back on my list and realized you're right. Thus, my list is slightly changed. Again, any feedback is welcome:

GREAT

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Carson Palmer
4. Drew Brees
5. Donovan McNabb

GOOD

6. Marc Bulger
7. Philip Rivers
8. Ben Roethlesberger
9. Matt Hasselbeck
10. Chad Pennington

AVERAGE

11. Jay Cutler
12. Tony Romo
13. Steve McNair
14. Vince Young
15. Matt Leinart
16. Trent Green
17. Eli Manning
18. Jeff Garcia
19. Brett Favre
20. Mike Vick
21. Byron Leftwich
22. Alex Smith
23. J.P. Losman

POOR

24. Jake Delhomme
25. Damon Huard
26. Rex Grossman
27. Josh McCown

BAD (should be a backup QB)

28. Jason Campbell
29. John Kitna
30. Matt Schaub
31. Tavaris Jackson
32. Charlie Frye
You're bad and poor lists are pretty inaccurate. There is no way Delhomme and Grossman are poor, they are at least average. Campbell, in no way is a bad quarterback and neither is Kitna. Frye shouldn't be a starter, but he is not bad. How about you give Jackson and Schaub a chance before you say they can't start in the NFL.
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GREAT

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Carson Palmer
4. Drew Brees

VERY GOOD

5. Donovan McNabb
6. Marc Bulger

GOOD

7. Philip Rivers
8. Ben Roethlesberger
9. Matt Hasselbeck
10. Chad Pennington

AVERAGE

11. Jay Cutler
12. Tony Romo
13. Steve McNair
14. Vince Young
15. Matt Leinart
16. Trent Green
17. Eli Manning
18. Jeff Garcia
19. Brett Favre
20. Mike Vick
21. Byron Leftwich
22. Alex Smith
23. J.P. Losman
24. Jake Delhomme
25. Damon Huard
26. Rex Grossman

BELOW AVERAGE

27. Josh McCown
28. Jason Campbell
29. John Kitna
30. Matt Schaub
31. Tavaris Jackson
32. Charlie Frye
I did this without changing your order, but I think this is a lot better. There are a lot more average quarterbacks than anything else.
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You're bad and poor lists are pretty inaccurate. There is no way Delhomme and Grossman are poor, they are at least average. Campbell, in no way is a bad quarterback and neither is Kitna. Frye shouldn't be a starter, but he is not bad. How about you give Jackson and Schaub a chance before you say they can't start in the NFL.
Delhomme cost the Panthers from being the team they were "supposed" to be, in many ways. Chances are, he'll lose his starting job to David Carr in 6-8 games.

Grossman is DEFINITELY poor and I won't even take the time to justify that, because there are already about 30 posts in here saying why he is.

Campbell hasn't done anything in his limited playing time, and there's no way that, as a GM, I would take him over any of the QBs mentioned above him.

Kitna is old, and only had a decent season with the Lions because he's playing for Mike Martz in a pass-happy offense. He, too, could easily lose his starting job this year.

Frye brings nothing to the table. Maybe he didn't have the worst passer-rating in the NFL, but those kind of stats are a poor way of measuring QB play.

Jackson was horrible in the very few games he played, and regardless of whether or not he will get better, you can't justify putting him above others based on pure potential. That's all he is right now, potential. Putting him anything higher than 28 would be a travesty, IMO, although I understand you're obviously a Vikings fan and take that personally.

Schuab was a career backup who got picked up by a desperate Houston team who threw David Carr to the curb to save face, and act like HE was the problem, not themselves as an organization. Like TJ, he has proved nothing (he hasn't even won a game), and has no justification to be put any higher.
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