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Old 05-19-2007, 02:24 PM    (permalink
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Default Top DE Units by Conference -- Sporting News

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...c.php?t=209041

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...c.php?t=208472

What are everyone's thoughts? Agree, disagree? Qualify?
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2. Panthers
3. Giants
4. Bucanneers
5. Packers
6. Bears
7. Falconers
8. Rams
9. 69ers
10. Seahawks
11. Cowboys
12. Cardinals
13. Eagles
14. Vikings
15. Lions
16. Redskins

1. Julius Peppers
2. Will Smith
3. Aaron Kampman
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2. Ravens
3. Chargers
4. Dolphins
5. Colts
6. Bills
7. Chiefs
8. Steelers
9. Texans
10. Titans
11. Bronocs
12. Raiders
13. Bengals
14. Jaguars
15. Jets
16. Browns

1. Jason Taylor
2. Richard Seymour
3. Dwight Freeney
4. Trevor Pryce
5. Aaron Schobel
For anyone too lazy to open the link...
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Panthers and Bucs should be lower. Cool to see 3 of the top units are in the NFC south. Hell the top 4 could be Atlanta, Carolina, TB, and NO if Kerney stayed.
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12. Cardinals. Darnell Dockett has moved from tackle to end and seems to have the skills to play that spot. Antonio Smith has been a solid backup, but it's questionable how he'll hold up as the starter. Chris Cooper is the backup on both sides.
Is Dockett moving to DE? Haven't heard anything about that. And what about Okeafor and Berry?

Those are some pretty whack rankings.
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13th? That's a bit low for the eagles imo.
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Assuming Kearse can stay healthy, you may be right.
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can some explain to me how the Buccaneers have better DE then the Packers? also the Panthers better then the Packers.

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2. Eagles
3. Giants
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7. Buccaneers
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can some explain to me how the Buccaneers have better DE then the Packers? also the Panthers better then the Packers.

My List-

1. Saints
2. Eagles
3. Giants
4. Bears
5. Packers
7. Buccaneers
7. Falcons
8. Panthers
9. Rams
10. Seahawks
11. Cowboys
12. Cardinals
13. 49ers
14. Vikings
15. Lions
16. Redskins
You have to factor in depth, experience, potential, youth, and overall ability to play the run and their pass rush.
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If Erasmus James stays healthy, we could soar in those rankings.
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Yeah, I posted this in the Smith vs. Osi thread.
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Is Dockett moving to DE? Haven't heard anything about that. And what about Okeafor and Berry?

Those are some pretty whack rankings.
im pretty sure they are assuming that arizona is going 3-4 full-time, which is completely false. they are supposed to be a base 4-3 with 3-4 looks. but if u look at it as a 3-4 then u have dockett at DE and okeafor and berry at OLB.
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Falcons are a bit too high IMO. John Abraham is way too injury prone and Jamaal Anderson is still a bit raw. Our DE's have potential, but to have them that high as of now, is a bit much I think.
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Burgess not being called a top 5 AFC defensive end is a crime. He has outsacked all five of those players the last two years.
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14th is waaayy low for the Jaguars.
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the cards in the 4-3 have Berry & Chike at DE(when healthy is a good group)

in the 3-4 we have Dockett & Branch
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Burgess not being called a top 5 AFC defensive end is a crime. He has outsacked all five of those players the last two years.
theres more to DEs than sacks(Seymour + Pryce)

Seymour is a DT playing DE in a 3-4..i'll let Burgess outsack him any day of the week but Seymour is more dominant and better all around
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Cowboys are a bit high. The Vikings need to bench Udeze and have Scott start with James/Edwards and they could have one of the better DE units in the NFC.
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theres more to DEs than sacks(Seymour + Pryce)

Seymour is a DT playing DE in a 3-4..i'll let Burgess outsack him any day of the week but Seymour is more dominant and better all around
Very true. However, Jason Taylor is hardly a defensive end these days and either way hasn't rushed the QB like Burgess. I'll give him a flyer due to the amazing year he had last season. However, Schobel has no business being ranked over Burgess. None.

My point is that Burgess has the most sacks of any player in the entire NFL the past two years, and he didn't crack a top 5 defensive end list. That is criminal.
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I like the Cowboys description. We have tons of potential but have yet to realize it.
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If healthy.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/for...ead.php?t=8870

thats how I feel about if healthy.

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I'm suprised that they have us #2 in DT (another link) but 6th in DE. Personally I think we're better at DE. Whatevs though.

Bucs above us is stupid though. Simeon Rice is incredibly washed up. Usually I like Sporting News but that's just bad.
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Here are the DT rankings. I think these are a little better personally.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...c.php?t=205736

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...c.php?t=205133
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Can't complain too much about the Packer's spot but I'd rank us higher, personally.

Kampman was a top 3 DE last year, Jenkins brings an all-around strong game and KJB has to be up there for the best situational DE in the NFL. Plus with an incredibly strong middle of the line they're open for more plays and we don't have the injury concerns/lack of experience of some of the guys ahead of us.

I'd probably go..
1. Bears
2. Saints
3. Pack
4. Bucs
5. Giants

I think the rankings rely too much on star power ala Julius Peppers and Michael Strahan. Peppers rocks but they have nothing on the other side or behind him and Strahan/Osi were bad last year.
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