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Old 05-19-2007, 06:43 PM    (permalink
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Is Dockett moving to DE? Haven't heard anything about that. And what about Okeafor and Berry?

Those are some pretty whack rankings.
Are the Cards switching to the 3-4?
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Not sure about the Raiders being below the Broncos. Sure Brayton didn't get any sacks, but he did a great job in contain on the right end. So he's not absolute trash at defensive end. On the other end, obviously, the Raiders have Burgess who has been mentioned.

The Broncos, however, have no one of any kind of solid caliber whatsoever. At least who has done anything in the league. I'm not saying you should completely take the rookies out of the equation, but it seems they are weighting the effect the Broncos' rookies will have a little too steeply.
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Can't complain too much about the Packer's spot but I'd rank us higher, personally.

Kampman was a top 3 DE last year, Jenkins brings an all-around strong game and KJB has to be up there for the best situational DE in the NFL. Plus with an incredibly strong middle of the line they're open for more plays and we don't have the injury concerns/lack of experience of some of the guys ahead of us.

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1. Bears
2. Saints
3. Pack
4. Bucs
5. Giants

I think the rankings rely too much on star power ala Julius Peppers and Michael Strahan. Peppers rocks but they have nothing on the other side or behind him and Strahan/Osi were bad last year.
Eh, Jenkins is a bit unproven yet. I think we were placed fairly.
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Here are the DT rankings. I think these are a little better personally.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...c.php?t=205736

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...c.php?t=205133
wilfork should be ahead of Hampton...Hampton should be #5 :\
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i think suggs deserves more respect. Hes a freak :)
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Im really confused is Corey Simon still with the colts
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can some explain to me how the Buccaneers have better DE then the Packers? also the Panthers better then the Packers.

My List-

1. Saints
2. Eagles
3. Giants
4. Bears
5. Packers
7. Buccaneers
7. Falcons
8. Panthers
9. Rams
10. Seahawks
11. Cowboys
12. Cardinals
13. 49ers
14. Vikings
15. Lions
16. Redskins
Please,

The Steelers, Patriots and Chargers all have better DE's than everyone from 8 on.. atleast. I can't believe you put the Cowboys over them.

Steelers - Smith/Keisel
Patriots - Seymour/Warren
Chargers - Olshansky/Castillo
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The Steelers, Patriots and Chargers all have better DE's than everyone from 8 on.. atleast. I can't believe you put the Cowboys over them.

Steelers - Smith/Keisel
Patriots - Seymour/Warren
Chargers - Olshansky/Castillo
Since when are the Steelers, Patriots, and Chargers in the NFC? Come on man, I know it's hard, but use your brain.
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wilfork should be ahead of Hampton...Hampton should be #5 :\
It's by 2's.. Hampton > Wilfork... not by a whole lot, slightly, but Hoke is definitely a lot better than NE's backup.
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Since when are the Steelers, Patriots, and Chargers in the NFC? Come on man, I know it's hard, but use your brain.
I didn't even think of NFC, I was just reading some of the teams and I couldn't believe Dallas was in the top 16, Now that I realize it's NFC only, it makes sense.
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It's by 2's.. Hampton > Wilfork... not by a whole lot, slightly, but Hoke is definitely a lot better than NE's backup.
i was talking about the individual list that has

1. Stroud
2. Henderson
3. Hampton
4. Williams
5. Wilfork

Williams should be #2 or #3..Wilfork #4 and Hampton 5

im not sold that Stroud and Henderson are BOTH the best DTs in AFC individually
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Here are the DT rankings. I think these are a little better personally.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...c.php?t=205736

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...c.php?t=205133
Washed up?

Sacks:
01-11.0
02-15.5
03-15.0
04-12.0
05-14.0
06-2.0

Last year he was injured, and at this rate he didn't show signs of slowing down.
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i was talking about the individual list that has

1. Stroud
2. Henderson
3. Hampton
4. Williams
5. Wilfork

Williams should be #2 or #3..Wilfork #4 and Hampton 5

im not sold that Stroud and Henderson are BOTH the best DTs in AFC individually
I agree. I think Williams is #1, Stroud #2, Hampton #3, Henderson #4, and Wilfork #3.
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Sacks:
01-11.0
02-15.5
03-15.0
04-12.0
05-14.0
06-2.0

Last year he was injured, and at this rate he didn't show signs of slowing down.
Ok I'm going to assume that you are talking about my comments on Rice since you quoted the wrong post.

Simeon Rice has always been overrated. Hell Keyshawn Johnson called him out. Most Bucs fans know that he's nothing anymore and have stated as much. His stats are nice, but they've always been misleading. He's 33 and coming off a big injury. I honestly wouldn't be suprised to see him take the KGB route and finish his career as a situational pass rusher.
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Ok I'm going to assume that you are talking about my comments on Rice since you quoted the wrong post.

Simeon Rice has always been overrated. Hell Keyshawn Johnson called him out. Most Bucs fans know that he's nothing anymore and have stated as much. His stats are nice, but they've always been misleading. He's 33 and coming off a big injury. I honestly wouldn't be suprised to see him take the KGB route and finish his career as a situational pass rusher.
119 career sacks, 2nd most active---behind Strahan. 13th alltime. The 2nd fastest to 100 career sacks, behind Reggie White.

Yeah, overrated.
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119 career sacks, 2nd most active---behind Strahan. 13th alltime. The 2nd fastest to 100 career sacks, behind Reggie White.

Yeah, overrated.
Yeah, overrated. He might be the worst DE against the run in the history of professional football. He would have been even worse had the rest of the talent around him not compensated.
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Yeah, overrated. He might be the worst DE against the run in the history of professional football. He would have been even worse had the rest of the talent around him not compensated.
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im very comfortable with both of the ravens rankings. the thing i love about our d-linemen is their versatility. i love that suggs can play 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB, pryce can be a DE in both fronts as well as a DT in certain times, Kelly Gregg is a good NT and DT and Ngata is solid in both also
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Raiders got hated on real hard. Burgess is one of the best in the biz and we might not have a great group of guys to complement him but Brayton, Moses, Huntley aint horrible. Considering some of the groups they put ahead of us (Broncos, Titans, Steelers, Texans), I would say we are really getting underrated.

And on the NFC, the Eagles got hated on real hard. I know Howard is coming off a bad season and Kearse off an injury but a healthy Kearse to go with Howard, Cole and now Abiamiri has to rank among the best DE rotations in the league. How they rank em behind the Cowboys, 49ers, Seahawks, Rams and Cardinals is beyond me.
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Yeah, overrated. He might be the worst DE against the run in the history of professional football. He would have been even worse had the rest of the talent around him not compensated.
Regardless, Simeon Rice has been an elite pass-rusher in this league for a long time and in the cover 2 scheme hes in his job is to put heat on the passer and he did a great job at that and was a key to a great, superbowl winning defense.
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Raiders got hated on real hard. Burgess is one of the best in the biz and we might not have a great group of guys to complement him but Brayton, Moses, Huntley aint horrible. Considering some of the groups they put ahead of us (Broncos, Titans, Steelers, Texans), I would say we are really getting underrated.
its really just amazing how the offenses failure reflects so poorly on the defense. the raiders had a championship defense but a high school offence, and for their d-line to be ranked behind denvers is misguided. denver was very ok last year.
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if the redskins have a better pair of ends then the colts ill eat my hat, some might say theyre one dimensional but essentially they are asked to be
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high school offense? we had a pop warner offense.

Our defense really was incredible last year and they did play at a championship level. To be honest, I wonder if they will be able to repeat the kind of performance they had last year. Guys like Sapp and Asumgha played at incredibly high levels that I dont know they'll keep up. And also we didnt have any injuries of note last year, and if we should find our D depleted by injurieslike our offense it could be a different story. But theres also reason for optimism about it...We got 2 young safeties who I believe are getting better, young LBs in Morrison and Howard who should continue to progress and Fabian Washington I expect to really break out in the near future and we added Quentin Moses to help our pass-rush and just overall we have a lot of youth on the defense.
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